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PokeJoe posted:*thinking extremely hard* The Greeks and the Romans were Different
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spacetoaster posted:I teach Elementary, but I have a direct line to the High School drama through my oldest kid. not to dox you but where do you work if you're comfortable sharing. (what state)
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polycritical posted:I wonder what the pass rate will be lmao
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May 14, 2024 00:22
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PokeJoe posted:not to dox you but where do you work if you're comfortable sharing. (what state) While working on my graduate degree I spent time with people from many states. This kind of thing seems to have become very normal since Covid in lots of places. But I'm a new teacher, so it might not be (new). I have full audio of the admin's speech to the kids. She's extremely angry at the teacher and goes into great detail about her failings and termination. I imagine it'd be very bad for that audio to get out, but I'm just having a chuckle whilst listening to it. spacetoaster has issued a correction as of 00:35 on May 14, 2024 |
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May 14, 2024 00:32
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spacetoaster posted:I teach Elementary, but I have a direct line to the High School drama through my oldest kid. Lmao this is the most 2024 ed admin thing, going "well we need to give an assignment to maintain the integrity of the system" and then handing them a coloring page Too bad for those kids, though, gently caress that teacher
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May 14, 2024 04:37
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listen your teacher really hosed us all over here so we're gonna have you all watch this episode of Bill Nye and if you can remember the chorus of the song they sing at the end you can graduate
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May 14, 2024 13:34
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You know, I was just thinking that we have too many certified teachers. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/11/politics/school-budget-cuts-teacher-layoffs/index.html quote:Schools across the country are announcing teacher and staff layoffs as districts brace for the end of a pandemic aid package that delivered the largest one-time federal investment in K-12 education.
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May 14, 2024 14:39
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4.0 GPA baby. General Painting Aptitude
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May 14, 2024 15:37
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spacetoaster posted:You know, I was just thinking that we have too many certified teachers. already happened here, the combined school only has... I dunno 150 employees and they fired 26 of them two weeks ago catastrophic hole in the next FY budget I think it's like 22% or something, literally just "State Funding" is now gonezo
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May 14, 2024 16:08
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But if staffing levels were to fall back to the same levels they were before the pandemic in 2018-19, districts would need to lay off 384,000 full-time staff, according to Chad Aldeman, an education analyst. oops!
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May 14, 2024 16:38
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spacetoaster posted:You know, I was just thinking that we have too many certified teachers. wtf, we aree so god drat stupid
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May 14, 2024 16:40
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no lube so what posted:wtf, we aree so god drat stupid And we're making sure our kids are too
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:And we're making sure our kids are too thats the worst part 
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May 14, 2024 16:43
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Some PHD was giving a speech a few years ago about how public education is going to become one adult (who passed a background check) watching over a roomful of kids just doing online classes for 7 hours a day. Rich folk's kids will get private schools and/or tutors.
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May 14, 2024 19:11
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spacetoaster posted:Some PHD was giving a speech a few years ago about how public education is going to become one adult (who passed a background check) watching over a roomful of kids just doing online classes for 7 hours a day. lol if you think they're all getting background checked
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May 14, 2024 19:18
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Real hurthling! posted:But if staffing levels were to fall back to the same levels they were before the pandemic in 2018-19, districts would need to lay off 384,000 full-time staff, according to Chad Aldeman, an education analyst. Don't worry! quote:It may seem counterintuitive to be concerned about teacher layoffs when many districts have been struggling to fill open positions – especially in math, science and special education subjects and in rural areas. We have to deplete the excess pandemic teachers
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May 14, 2024 19:26
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spacetoaster posted:Some PHD was giving a speech a few years ago about how public education is going to become one adult (who passed a background check) watching over a roomful of kids just doing online classes for 7 hours a day. totally believe it. AI and the rise of private education service companies gives them all the justification to bust the hell out of the unions and deskill the profession
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May 14, 2024 19:27
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:listen your teacher really hosed us all over here so we're gonna have you all watch this episode of Bill Nye and if you can remember the chorus of the song they sing at the end you can graduate
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Eminent DNS posted:lol if you think they're all getting background checked
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bedpan posted:totally believe it. AI and the rise of private education service companies gives them all the justification to bust the hell out of the unions and deskill the profession So how many non-certified classroom teachers do you guys have in your schools? We're at 50% at my elementary school. 50% of our classes are taught by substitutes, or someone who got a temporary certification (because they aren't qualified for a certification).
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May 14, 2024 21:11
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so, what do you all think of pbs/mtss? i am currently in training to be the obnoxiously chipper person who comes to your school and gives you a candy-coloured powerpoint about it, and the opinions and practical experiences of actual teachers (as opposed to researchers) are noticeably lacking in the course curriculum. every time the concept comes up on teaching reddits there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but that might be because redditors yearn to defeat the children in single combat like in the good old days
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May 14, 2024 21:30
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idk what that is i just do my job great and then zone out when seminars and meetings start
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spacetoaster posted:So how many non-certified classroom teachers do you guys have in your schools? 
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May 14, 2024 22:25
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It's going to be poor kids chatting with chatGPT and the information that the kids will learn will be hallucinated and there will be no way for the kids to check whether or not they're being lied to so they're going to be unable to learn anything concrete - perfect workplace conditioning.
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American society is collapsing and they think they're gonna win a war against Comrade Xi, lol
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Wasn't mandatory public schooling originally a Prussian thing? Imagine thinking the Prussians were too egalitarian for you. Imagine you'll have a chance at postmodern war without a bunch of tech literates to build and maintain those robots.
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LuxuryLarva posted:It's going to be poor kids chatting with chatGPT and the information that the kids will learn will be hallucinated and there will be no way for the kids to check whether or not they're being lied to so they're going to be unable to learn anything concrete - perfect workplace conditioning. This is going to be just amazing when each child gets a different hallucinated lie. And if there is any testing, will the instance of the chatbot remember its lies long enough to accurately grade its own version of the test? Or will each student get a completely randomized score that has no basis on their responses?
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May 15, 2024 01:20
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Orvin posted:This is going to be just amazing when each child gets a different hallucinated lie. And if there is any testing, will the instance of the chatbot remember its lies long enough to accurately grade its own version of the test? Or will each student get a completely randomized score that has no basis on their responses? The tests will also be administrated by ChatGPT and it'll say "Sorry, you're wrong, 15/2 = 7.5" and then the kid'll go "No I'm the teacher and 15/2 = 8" and then ChatGPT will say "I'm sorry my mistake 15/2 = 8". The USA's grades will be the highest in the world.
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:so, what do you all think of pbs/mtss? i am currently in training to be the obnoxiously chipper person who comes to your school and gives you a candy-coloured powerpoint about it, and the opinions and practical experiences of actual teachers (as opposed to researchers) are noticeably lacking in the course curriculum. I joined a working group a few years ago focused on MTSS in my school. My motivation, as a general education teacher, was twofold: 1) Get a more direct perspective on other stakeholders in the system, particularly special ed teachers who take on responsibilities once students move out of tier 1 2) Focus on identifying the numerous redundancies and inefficiencies in paperwork and monitoring that really hosed any general ed teacher who had more than two or three college prep classes. Working with special ed teachers, support personnel, and administrators in the group, we concluded those redundancies did indeed exist. I spent a great deal of time proposing specific, concrete solutions to those redundancies in writing. The final report, which included my name, mentioned none of them and essentially concluded every general ed teacher is a lazy piece of poo poo who doesn’t care about supporting kids, the assumption that most of the other stakeholders had come into the group with. I learned some important lessons about assuming anyone—but especially and specifically anyone involved with an acronym—is ever acting in good faith. A while back, a special ed teacher made a short-lived CSPAM ed thread where every other post they made was “teachers hate research and refuse to follow what it suggests.” There’s a reason for that. There are so many cherry-picked studies that are designed to recommend whatever is cheapest or most convenient that any teacher who has been in the game for more than a few years knows this poo poo is more often than not a cudgel. MTSS, while entirely unobjectionable and in fact ideal in theory, is in practice a way to justify more unsupported and unfunded mainstreaming with the assumption that any student’s failure to thrive in a general education environment is a failure of the teacher to meet their individual needs. I work with some really lovely teachers who I know that describes, but more often than not I see language of the theory thrown at really dedicated and caring people who break their backs trying to meet the insanely diverse range of needs in their classroom with absolutely no support, reminding them that every systemic failure is their individual fault. Not trying to discourage you or suggest it’s not important work, but the basic question you need to answer with however you present information related to this topic to teachers is “how is this going to help me?” And I don’t mean that in an abstract sense. If you are going to ask people to do “more” (and I throw that in quotes that because i personally believe most things in MTSS are things good teachers generally do), you better have some really concrete answers on how the other components of the system are improving. Solicit direct and honest feedback about referral processes, support in implementing tier 2 supports, etc. and have actual plans and benchmarks for how those things are gonna get better on the day you tell them all “you really need to review then DCAP.” Otherwise you’re just another person telling a bunch of people they suck at a job they love. spacetoaster posted:Some PHD was giving a speech a few years ago about how public education is going to become one adult (who passed a background check) watching over a roomful of kids just doing online classes for 7 hours a day. Practically, the biggest barrier there is assessing writing. Over the past few years, most state tests (which include standardized essay prompts) have switched to computerized testing, and the College Board is in the middle of doing the same thing with AP tests. Every kid in the country is currently feeding the data set that will eventually overcome this barrier.
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Complications posted:The tests will also be administrated by ChatGPT and it'll say "Sorry, you're wrong, 15/2 = 7.5" and then the kid'll go "No I'm the teacher and 15/2 = 8" and then ChatGPT will say "I'm sorry my mistake 15/2 = 8". The USA's grades will be the highest in the world. It doesn't matter, everybody passes. The optionally background checked minder is just there for cheaper liability insurance and to call the cops in case of a fight. It'll just be a parking lot for the kids who aren't rich or able bodied enough for private school and who haven't gotten a job at the meat plant/fast food/drug dealing/gang or [unspeakable thing] yet Like, I don't expect good things from the US anymore and this isn't even me being edgy. Whenever you think the floor is, it'll be lower than that.
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Hilarious we've reached the point where a resurrected Otto von loving Bismarck would be seen as a commie insurrectionist
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thank you all for the responses on my mtss/pbs question! motherbox posted:I joined a working group a few years ago focused on MTSS in my school. i'm not a teacher, but am currently training to be a behaviour specialist or similar role. frankly, everything i've seen so far aligns with the stereotype of the behaviour specialist who just sends out emails full of platitudes and mindfulness tips but has no understanding of what it's actually like to manage and try to educate a group of 30 children with increasingly complex and severe behavioural issues. in particular, the way we're taught to promote and apply mtss and pbs (the two are basically presented a single thing, this is in australia) is very simplistic and formulaic. it's like a chemical equation: if these exact elements are present, in this exact order, the product will be a well-behaved classroom. any failure of the system is due to insufficient "fidelity of implementation" (i.e., the teachers did it wrong.) there's almost no acknowledgement of contexts where it just doesn't work - especially if it's not just one kid with particular issues, but a whole group dynamic - and the "solutions" all seem to boil down to "apply the formula more rigorously. if it doesn't work... innovate! no, we can't tell you how." the research evidence seems to mostly be the same dozen or so researchers quoting each other. like you said, the underlying principles are sound and they're things that good teachers are already doing. it feels like the focus is on trying to simplify the theory as much as possible so teachers can be provided with a set of steps and told "just do this." unfortunately, in many schools, the admin thinks just handing the teachers the set of steps is enough, without any support or any real understanding of why this approach works, when it works (or why it doesn't, when it doesn't.)
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My original public high school was built to zone all the colored people out of the more prestigious suburban high school. Most of the teachers had no experience. Classes were usually over 30 students to a teacher, and this was the school being underpopulated because even poor people didn't want their kids going there, so they would lie about their address. One of my friends did this for years until some other kid ratted him out and the school kicked him out during his senior year, so he had to graduate from the lovely highschool. After my freshman year, I was fortunate enough to win a scholarship to attend an extremely prestigious high school that incredibly wealthy families attend. All the classes were small (a teacher for a dozen students). Teachers were highly educated with masters degrees or higher in their field. And they emphasized the Socratic method. Although sometimes the Socratic method doesn't really work like the teacher expected when all the students are 100% in agreement. I remember once in a bio ethics class everyone agreed that abortion was cool and good, and the teacher never had that happen before, so instead we role played different perspectives.
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i teach 34 max at a time. but my course load is partially elective so some classes are smaller they are running out of time to get class sizes below 25 before court orders are violated but they havent done anything to get started yet.
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Ah court orders demonstrating that 1870s Texas was more egalitarian than the modern state.
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This year my school system is requiring significant proof of residency. It's been a recent utility bill for years. This year they want a utility bill AND a copy of the deed to your home (or your rental contract). Now here's the thing. I work in the school. I know for a fact that nobody takes the time to look at each and every student's scanned utility bill to check the guardian's names and addresses that match the area for the school. I have a suspicion that those things only get checked if somebody has a problem with a kid. spacetoaster has issued a correction as of 01:15 on May 19, 2024 |
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spacetoaster posted:This year my school system is requiring significant proof of residency. code:
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So our school system is getting rid of the reading and math coaches as well as not keeping a bunch of positions teachers are retiring from. Also cutting substitute pay. How are your schools handling the loss of the covid funding? It looks like next school year is going to be pretty rough around here.
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spacetoaster posted:So our school system is getting rid of the reading and math coaches as well as not keeping a bunch of positions teachers are retiring from. Also cutting substitute pay. back when i was in school we called them math teachers, not math coaches
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spacetoaster posted:So our school system is getting rid of the reading and math coaches as well as not keeping a bunch of positions teachers are retiring from. Also cutting substitute pay. so if somebody fails PE are they off the reading and math teams then
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