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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Nation wide teacher shortages!

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/28/oregon-is-facing-a-teacher-shortage/
https://www.live5news.com/2023/11/28/sc-teacher-shortage-reaches-unprecedented-high-another-year/
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2023/11/28/nj-teacher-shortage-certification-skills-exam-ends-bill/71732949007/
https://www.wmtw.com/article/teachers-maine-work-state-campaign/45972056
https://www.chicagotribune.com/education/ct-advance-illinois-educator-shortage-20231126-txvnv4s245fnpnym6ngl6eu74q-story.html

Failing schools!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/09/13/us-schools-failing-covid-generation-report-says/70835897007/


Falling scores!





How do leaders fix all this? Better pay/benefits to attract and keep quality educators? More investment in communities and children? Hell no! Just get rid of any reporting that makes you look bad and remove regulation and certification!

https://www.ncsl.org/state-legislatures-news/details/plagued-by-teacher-shortages-some-states-turn-to-fast-track-credentialing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/13/teacher-requirements-shortage-jobs/
https://theconversation.com/texas-t...salaries-213962



Use this thread to post news and discussion on the failing education system. Or tell your personal experiences with it. Or chat about Warhammer or whatever.

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

The school system I work in does not fully staff the special education departments (which is illegal and they hide this from the parents).

Also, all the 5th grade teachers at one school walked out (3rd grade at another) and the school has divided the 5th graders up amongst all the other grades. Kindergarten classes have 2-3 fifth graders just sitting in their class now.

Our high school teachers are allowing the kids to just google everything during tests because a lot of the teachers are just long term substitutes who don't know how to teach the subject (not their fault, blame falls on the admins).

Security guards have been arrested for selling drugs and vapes to the kids. Several schools are only operational because substitutes, PE coaches, and administrative staff are "teaching" due to shortages.

And all this is just this school year so far.


One major fix that would help is properly compensating teachers. Not only with a high salary, but an actual pension and medical benefits. My retirement is some kind of stock option 401k thing that is nothing compared to what teachers were getting just a couple decades ago.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

I cant imagine anyone actually getting into the teaching profession in this nation at this point

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

spacetoaster posted:

Security guards have been arrested for selling drugs and vapes to the kids.

god drat, just a perfect lil snapshot of america in 2023

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Is are children learning?

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

HallelujahLee posted:

I cant imagine anyone actually getting into the teaching profession in this nation at this point

Indeed. It used to be that a teacher would accept a lower amount of pay as part of of the course for the passion and love for teaching, but it’s simply no longer economically feasible to be a teacher in most of the country. You simply cannot afford to live on a teachers salary, and you aren’t able to work a second job with the workload of a teacher.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Wait...what?!?

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1728418716738859333

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-prisons-forced-use-cooks-nurses-guard-inmates-due-staff-n1268138

I'm guessing these are teachers that have been hired to teach inmates, but still.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

The Simpsons joke about putting convicts in schools to save money is becoming reality

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
One of my friends is an ex-marine who, on his 2nd tour in Afghanistan, decided to quit the marines and become an English teacher. He took all the classes and earned his certificate and license. On his first day of work in a Philadelphia public middle school he learned that he would actually be teaching science and that his job was really being a bouncer, breaking up fights and keeping students from attacking the teachers. He lasted a year, busting his rear end to stay one lesson ahead of his class and not get permanently injured.

He's a cross-fit personal trainer now.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
I’ve been hearing a lot on r/teachers (yeah yeah yeah Reddit) about how admin just isn’t interested in enforcing any sort of discipline anymore and lets violent kids just go right back to class the same day and basically tells teachers “skill issue”.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
i would have each student first spend half the year learning the new material, and then the next half of the year teaching it to the next class. after the first semester jump starting my new program, teachers will be entirely redundant. knowledge will be handed from one student to the next, bucket brigade style, while underpaid imported help keeps an eye on them. its so simple!

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

spacetoaster posted:

I'm guessing these are teachers that have been hired to teach inmates, but still.

prisons dont hire educators at every institution ive interacted with theyre volunteers

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

skooma512 posted:

I’ve been hearing a lot on r/teachers (yeah yeah yeah Reddit) about how admin just isn’t interested in enforcing any sort of discipline anymore and lets violent kids just go right back to class the same day and basically tells teachers “skill issue”.

I teach elementary and I've had two kids in my class sent to the hospital over fights that ended badly. In both cases the offenders were back in my class after a half day of in school suspension.

I'm not talking Tommy punched Jimmy in the nose. I'm talking concussions and stitches. Objects used a weapons.

Admin's response? "Spacetoaster, you just need to handle your class!"

Also a sexual assault. Two little boys went into the girls bathroom and assaulted a little girl. They got a 3 day suspension for that.

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




skooma512 posted:

I’ve been hearing a lot on r/teachers (yeah yeah yeah Reddit) about how admin just isn’t interested in enforcing any sort of discipline anymore and lets violent kids just go right back to class the same day and basically tells teachers “skill issue”.

I get some stories from my sister-in-law and her husband who are both teachers in Chicago. They were teachers in the Chicago Public schools until something like 2014, when they started doing international teaching. They bounced around a few different countries (Qatar, Poland, Thailand), and then in 2022 decided to come back to the US and teach locally for a few years and decide where they wanted to live long term.

For the Fall 2022 term, they both got jobs back with the Chicago Public schools. I think they were both teaching high school. My sister-in-law didn’t even last the full semester before she started looking for something else. Mostly because there is no accountability anywhere in the system, or even any way to punish the student if they misbehave. At best, they can get a phone number to call a parent, but sometimes that goes to an aunt or other relative that doesn’t regularly see the student.

My SIL found a position in a charter school (still in the city) and said the stress just melted away, as there are processes for dealing with issues. Her husband at least finished out the semester, but he jumped to a different school in the same charter network and said everything is just loads better there.

JuulPodSaveAmerica
Aug 29, 2012
VICE: iPad Kids Are Getting Out of Hand

"Millennials are raising "bizarre and terribly behaved” children, glued to screens. Can Gen Z flip the script?"

quote:

I once lived with someone who had a two-year-old god-daughter. Occasionally, this wee lass was allowed to play on an iPad. One day, my housemate saw her god-daughter spot a butterfly fluttering outside the window. Her tiny toddler hand reached out, and her thumb and forefinger made a sort of pincer movement. At first my housemate was baffled, but then she realised. Her god-daughter was trying to zoom in on the butterfly.

This story has stuck with me because, well, it’s completely nuts. This kid couldn’t feed herself for god’s sake, and yet had mastered a digital zooming motion? She thought the window, or reality itself, was a big screen? At the time, I remember a feeling of dread creeping over me – a sense that something terrifying was coming our way. I suddenly realised the human race was breeding and raising iPad kids.

Now, it seems, others are beginning to share my fears. “I need everybody else in my generation to promise that we are not going to raise iPad children,” a young Gen Z lad pleads on TikTok. “Your kids can’t read!” he shouts at all the older millennial parents out there. “You’re raising Gen Alpha, and they’re bizarre and terribly behaved.”

quote:

There’s more solid evidence, too, which suggests iPads at home and at restaurants are only the tip of the iceberg. There are mounting signs smart devices at school are causing issues – especially as blended learning and classroom technology has become the norm post-pandemic.

According to new research from Impero Software, a survey conducted with 2000 secondary school students found a quarter had watched harmful or violent content online while in the classroom, and 17 percent were watching it on a school device. More than one in ten (13 percent) have viewed X-rated content such as porn, and 10 percent have used gambling sites – again, all in the classroom. Looking at these stats, it’s hardly surprising that many schools are now implementing bans on phones, in an attempt to curb cyber-bullying and to prevent iPad kids from maturing into full-blown gambling addicts during maths lessons.

kids gambling online during class is wild, the ipad kids aint alright

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

What if we gave schools and parents more free time and money so they could do better jobs?

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Got 465 dollars? Want a high school diploma?

https://whnt.com/news/national/465-diplomas-for-sale-in-louisianas-off-the-grid-schools-with-no-classes-required/

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

its almost like the powers that be have been actively dismantling the public education system over decades to ensure the domestic supply of infants

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!
So what I'm hearing is that I'll have lifelong job security and won't be forced out and replaced with a younger model on account of them being feral

gently caress em, got mine (education)

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

genius of the wasteland, the wily old man who can read the labels on the barrels to know if they're filled with food or toxic waste

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Nanomashoes posted:

What if we gave schools and parents more free time and money so they could do better jobs?

The parents with free time usually spend it arguing with the school and teachers and making imperious demands.

The Karent phenomenon existed before the pandemic but I think that accelerated it because everyone got comfortable with fighting with the school every week over the latest change of policy, and the kids picked up on that where they weren't actively encouraged to defy policies the parents didn't like, along with the concerted effort by conservatives to stack school boards.

Like, I think the education system was already being dismantled but every since 2020 it's just in free fall. The pandemic really broke the system's back. IDK if this will just pass as that generation ages out or what but considering the school environment is just becoming more and more hostile to teachers, even if the families somehow magically get better I don't think there will be much of a system for them to be in long term.

TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

actually you’ll be tortured and murdered by roving bands of feral children in adult bodies because you are a witch or have stuff they want or whatever

TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

have you tried vouchers yet?

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.
as the parent of a 1-year-old this thread makes me feel things about the future

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Chad Sexington posted:

as the parent of a 1-year-old this thread makes me feel things about the future

just read to your kid

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Chad Sexington posted:

as the parent of a 1-year-old this thread makes me feel things about the future

Much like everything in America, if you have enough money and live in a nice enough area with a decent school district, your kids will receive a decent education and be better than the minorities undesirables poor people.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Chad Sexington posted:

as the parent of a 1-year-old this thread makes me feel things about the future

If you want some positive stuff I can message you what parents of successful little kids are doing. It's pretty universal stuff from my experience.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
You should just post it in the thread

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Instead of letting them watch Skibidi Toilet, purchase your children Garry's Mod.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Chad Sexington posted:

as the parent of a 1-year-old this thread makes me feel things about the future

Pepe's right, if you read to your kids and encourage them to read they're already going to surpass many of their peers. Phonics seems to have fallen out of favor but it's valuable, maybe try using that when they're reaching 4 and up or so.

Disclaimer: Not an educator.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Nothus posted:

You should just post it in the thread

Ok fine. :colbert:

Now, I'm a lowly elementary school teacher (kindergarten), but in that environment I see kids progressing through the grades and there are a few things that all the successful kids seem to have in common.

1. Parental involvement. Know the teacher, go to the open house stuff, MAKE NICE. Teachers will absolutely treat your kid differently (positively) if they have met you and know that you're involved and care. This means going through the take home folders, answering/signing paperwork when it comes home, asking questions about assignments/grades. You can also volunteer at the school (be a sub, reading coach, room mom/dad, etc). Schools and teachers know the parents that can be counted on and who their kids are.

DO THE HOMEWORK WITH YOUR CHILD EVERY NIGHT. I cannot stress this enough. It's like a daily review of what we covered in class that gives YOU the opportunity to help your child get it on an individual level. In kindergarten it'll probably be a couple of worksheets.

2. Learn the computer stuff. Your kid will not have books that you can look through to see what's going on. Clever/Redbird/renaissance/McGraw Hill/etc are just some of the programs/apps your kids may be using to do their classwork. You need to be able to use these programs to see what your child is doing in school, and check their grades.

Also, there are parent/guardian versions of some of the programs on your child's computer that will allow you to keep up with them on your phone/computer.

frest
Sep 17, 2004

Well hell. I guess old Tumnus is just a loverman by trade.

Good stuff OP thank you for your service.

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.
We read to our girl and go to the library every weekend, so that's cool we're ahead of the game.

I hear all the app poo poo is hell.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Chad Sexington posted:

We read to our girl and go to the library every weekend, so that's cool we're ahead of the game.

I hear all the app poo poo is hell.

it makes sense, as all non-education related apps and dealing with them is also Hell

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Has anyone looked into what Google is doing with the data they're gathering from every kid in school?

https://www.edweek.org/technology/google-executive-ai-could-transform-school-into-a-personal-learning-experience/2023/07

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/googles-chromebooks-thrive-us-classrooms-generate-waste-costs/story?id=102844506

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/tech...t-out-1.4694939

Kids are on these school devices from Pre-K through 12th grade. I can imagine corporations having a really good idea of what they want from you with all that data.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Chad Sexington posted:

We read to our girl and go to the library every weekend, so that's cool we're ahead of the game.

I hear all the app poo poo is hell.

If you don't like the app, don't worry, it'll be replaced in a couple years when someone else gets a kickback or wants a bonus for completing a project.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

TehSaurus posted:

actually you’ll be tortured and murdered by roving bands of feral children in adult bodies because you are a witch or have stuff they want or whatever

I will teach them to read (the chicken entrails and knucklebones)

Koishi Komeiji
Mar 30, 2003



This is the system working as designed. Amazon associates and soldiers are disposable and don't need to read good or have money wasted on them. And don't worry rich people can use their money to opt out of this situation. Relax, our betters have this all under control.

captainbananas
Sep 11, 2002

Ahoy, Captain!

spacetoaster posted:

Ok fine. :colbert:

Now, I'm a lowly elementary school teacher (kindergarten), but in that environment I see kids progressing through the grades and there are a few things that all the successful kids seem to have in common.

1. Parental involvement. Know the teacher, go to the open house stuff, MAKE NICE. Teachers will absolutely treat your kid differently (positively) if they have met you and know that you're involved and care. This means going through the take home folders, answering/signing paperwork when it comes home, asking questions about assignments/grades. You can also volunteer at the school (be a sub, reading coach, room mom/dad, etc). Schools and teachers know the parents that can be counted on and who their kids are.

DO THE HOMEWORK WITH YOUR CHILD EVERY NIGHT. I cannot stress this enough. It's like a daily review of what we covered in class that gives YOU the opportunity to help your child get it on an individual level. In kindergarten it'll probably be a couple of worksheets.

2. Learn the computer stuff. Your kid will not have books that you can look through to see what's going on. Clever/Redbird/renaissance/McGraw Hill/etc are just some of the programs/apps your kids may be using to do their classwork. You need to be able to use these programs to see what your child is doing in school, and check their grades.

Also, there are parent/guardian versions of some of the programs on your child's computer that will allow you to keep up with them on your phone/computer.

nice post good infwait what

spacetoaster posted:

DO THE HOMEWORK WITH YOUR CHILD EVERY NIGHT. I cannot stress this enough. It's like a daily review of what we covered in class that gives YOU the opportunity to help your child get it on an individual level. In kindergarten it'll probably be a couple of worksheets.

you're giving homework to motherfuckin kindergarteners? goddamn

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TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

skooma512 posted:

If you don't like the app, don't worry, it'll be replaced in a couple years when someone else gets a kickback or wants a bonus for completing a project.

ah yes because the new app will definitely be better instead of just being a different hell that you have yet to be acquainted with

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