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Radical posted:looks like the viktor changes are on the PBE now, making the DOT on the ult more significant and the shield from his Q scale with his % mana. i dont really know how impactful the laser changes are, but 1.25 seconds for the augmented laser explosion sounds like a long time. looks like theyre trying to move power away from his poke utility and more into his teamfight ability but they're gonna need to compensate some damage on E or the Dot on the ult is going to need to be really more impactful otherwise its just gonna leave him in a worse position
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Mikujin posted:Drop the Penetration mastery in favor of CDR, I doubt it will affect the clear much (if at all). I'm also curious about whether Machete's on hit is treated as physical or magic when Taric's passive is up (since Machete's bonus damage type flip-flops to match the damage type of whatever attack triggers it). I got it down to 4:07 with a 35% attack speed, 9 armor page. I had the armor/magic pen mastery. Now here's the funny thing. I tried out the exact same rune page but swapped to the 5% cooldown mastery. I could just barely kill blue without dying, and red killed me even with the smite HP restore.
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TastyLemonDrops posted:I got it down to 4:07 with a 35% attack speed, 9 armor page. I had the armor/magic pen mastery. Are you doing Gromp -> Blue -> Red? Or just Blue -> Red? E: Heck, thinking on it, Stone Bros start - especially with a leash - is probably going to be really, really good for Taric, since he can double-tap the buff every spell. You can probably do Stone Bros into triple-stun on red (via Dazzle) pretty easily to mitigate damage. E2: Try a start a leash-less start at Golems with Dazzle first, so you can lead the camp with Smite Buff stun into Dazzle stun into Smite Buff stun, rinse and repeat on red (then blue). Mikujin fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Tales of Woe posted:this isn't sounding like a strong case for taric jungle anymore Keeping in mind he's currently testing clears with no leash damage. A lot of junglers have rough initial clears without some form or leash (or early trip home). It's really not damning at all, but just a matter of optimizing his leash-less route to further improve his leashed route.
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Luna Was Here posted:looks like theyre trying to move power away from his poke utility and more into his teamfight ability but they're gonna need to compensate some damage on E or the Dot on the ult is going to need to be really more impactful otherwise its just gonna leave him in a worse position
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Mikujin posted:Are you doing Gromp -> Blue -> Red? Or just Blue -> Red? Gromp -> Blue -> Wolves -> Raptors -> Red -> Krugs. I just did a test run with a 6.4 armor pen, 9 armor, 26% attack speed page with the armor/magic pen mastery and cleared in 4:09. Each autoattack did 76 damage; without the armor pen rune page, each autoattack did 70 damage. Trying out your Krug Dazzle start now.
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TastyLemonDrops posted:Gromp -> Blue -> Wolves -> Raptors -> Red -> Krugs. I just did a test run with a 6.4 armor pen, 9 armor, 26% attack speed page with the armor/magic pen mastery and cleared in 4:09. Each autoattack did 76 damage; without the armor pen rune page, each autoattack did 70 damage. Trying out your Krug Dazzle start now. Gromp -> Blue -> Red is the traditional "hit 3 and gank" path. Unless that's changed, it seems kind of tedious to test full clears.
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Luna Was Here posted:looks like theyre trying to move power away from his poke utility and more into his teamfight ability but they're gonna need to compensate some damage on E or the Dot on the ult is going to need to be really more impactful otherwise its just gonna leave him in a worse position The changes look like they are moving him away from being a burst mage to more of a control playstyle. The E change makes him easily obliterate creep waves again and the shield changes look legit good.
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Mikujin posted:Gromp -> Blue -> Red is the traditional "hit 3 and gank" path. Unless that's changed, it seems kind of tedious to test full clears. Dazzle Krugs are definitely super safe from testing, and a good alternative if you get invaded at blue. You'd need to head straight to blue or back though, since you're out of mana at that point. Furthermore, a Gromp -> Blue -> Red "clear" is just over 3 minutes. Pretty good if you ask me! TastyLemonDrops fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Are they changing all of the other jungle camps to rotate and Dazzle Krugs are just one of the krug variants?
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rabidsquid posted:Are they changing all of the other jungle camps to rotate and Dazzle Krugs are just one of the krug variants? Yes. Whenever someone does Lux jungle, her spells make the Dazzle Krugs strike a pose.
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the mordekaiser poo poo rules
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pog boyfriend posted:the mordekaiser poo poo rules that's the name of my post rock band
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Build yr frozen fists like antennas to Riven
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TastyLemonDrops posted:Dazzle Krugs are definitely super safe from testing, and a good alternative if you get invaded at blue. You'd need to head straight to blue or back though, since you're out of mana at that point. E: Standard leashing will also go a long way in improving his speed. I'd wager a CDR-oriented rune setup will be totally fine once you factor that in, rather than going for punching bag practice rune setups.
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rabidsquid posted:that's the name of my post rock band Godspeed You! Boosted Animal
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Q seems like the worst skill to level up first on taric, do yall think W or E is better to max.
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Lovechop posted:Godspeed You! Boosted Animal A Silver Mount Targon
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Darth Windu posted:Q seems like the worst skill to level up first on taric, do yall think W or E is better to max.  hi friend, i enjoy maxing e but as always, ymmv imho 
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Don't Feed You! Black Alistar
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I imagine that Taric will level R>E>W>Q given the increasing costs on Q and that it only gains 30 HP per rank, while E gains 45 damage and additional stun time per rank, and W double dips with ranks by giving both you AND your buddy more armor (which in turn make your E and passive stronger).
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:
Thank you docter E w q feels best in jungle at least, his clears are stupid fast after you get your talisman machete item
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You guys. Youg uys. I have the best post rock league band name. Kogwai
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Vlad's new E looks baller as gently caress
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DolphinCop posted:frozen heart is bad now but it's still better than frozen fist on taric and other defensive supports I know you are right, but sometimes I just want to be wrong... and how can frosty fist Taric be wrong when it feels so right?
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apparently vlad's E isn't an aoe but a bunch of missiles so a creepwave can block for it? i feel like its gonna be a real pain to actually push out a wave on vlad considering it takes a fair bit of your hp to use
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I just went second item IBG on Taric but to be fair our lane absolutely destroyed them super hard. The level 3 Kindred gank turned into a triple kill for my friend Graves, the Marksman Marksman
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rabidsquid posted:I just went second item IBG on Taric but to be fair our lane absolutely destroyed them super hard. The level 3 Kindred gank turned into a triple kill for my friend Graves, the Marksman Marksman Graves is a Marksman's Marksman
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Kashuno posted:can taric top lane? you can do anything if you believe in yourself
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Darth Windu posted:you can do anything if you believe in yourself good enough for me off to try it out maybe
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pre remake taric was 1000% legit in the top lane but the new design has mechanics that depend on having an ally champion to target so it's probably slightly less effective now
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DolphinCop posted:pre remake taric was 1000% legit in the top lane but the new design has mechanics that depend on having an ally champion to target so it's probably slightly less effective now Gonna make the big TP plays
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DolphinCop posted:pre remake taric was 1000% legit in the top lane but the new design has mechanics that depend on having an ally champion to target so it's probably slightly less effective now you can still W yourself for the shield, you just don't get the double zones without tossing it on a friend also New Taric does a shitload of damage if you chain spells for the double taps + max E first like i'm p sure you could take him toplane and just beat the enemy laner to death w/ free trades via W and Q Hashtag Yoloswag fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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rabidsquid posted:You guys. Youg uys. I have the best post rock league band name. Kogwai - This Team
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Vlad's E can also slow now, his Q can give him movespeed, and he doesn't have to first-item spellvamp anymore. Obviously numbers will determine everything but this seems like some massive Vlad buffs.
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So how is Morde/Taric as bot lane?
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Nobody knows because nobody wants to play Morde
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so far taric has been banned in all my games but im sure hes really cool + handsome in the top lane tbh i dont even know whats good and what aint in the top lane anymore
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