Trump Thread II: The man make a tweet

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eyebeem: Jul 18, 2013; by R. Guyovich

BarbarianElephant posted:

There's no way that a war that expends large amounts of American money is going to be a plus for the economy. The reason that WW2 was good for America is that America entered late, when everyone else was already spent, and cleaned up. War is not an "always good for the economy" thing, as the ruinous debt from America's various Middle Eastern adventures should show you.

WW2 was a huge economic boon for the US, and it wasn't because we "entered the war late." The entire country went to work, and was paid for it. Peopl e invested that money in war bonds, injecting cash back into the government to be distributed back as more wages. Huge increases in government spending without inflation! The manufacturing systems/processes developed for the war were then put into use after the war, which is why everyone suddenly had a big car and sweet gadgets in the 50s.

The right kind of war can be incredibly good for the economy. NK wouldn't be that kind of war.

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Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

eyebeem posted:

WW2 was a huge economic boon for the US, and it wasn't because we "entered the war late." The entire country went to work, and was paid for it. Peopl e invested that money in war bonds, injecting cash back into the government to be distributed back as more wages. Huge increases in government spending without inflation! The manufacturing systems/processes developed for the war were then put into use after the war, which is why everyone suddenly had a big car and sweet gadgets in the 50s.

The right kind of war can be incredibly good for the economy. NK wouldn't be that kind of war.

Also unions.

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Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

Everyone is currently speculating over the military equivalent of two kids shooting imaginary guns at each other in the backyard amidst exchanges of "I shot you so you're dead now!" and "Nuh uh no you didn't because I have invisible armor!"

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PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

eyebeem posted:

The right kind of war can be incredibly good for the economy. NK wouldn't be that kind of war.

Well, you say that now, but did you know that, after the Black Death in Europe, there was significant upward pressure on wages? Nuclear war might work the same way!

(it's sarcasm, in case that's not clear)

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haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Everyone is currently speculating over the military equivalent of two kids shooting imaginary guns at each other in the backyard amidst exchanges of "I shot you so you're dead now!" and "Nuh uh no you didn't because I have invisible armor!"

That's what one of them is doing, the other one has Dad's real gun in his back pocket.

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Solaris 2.0: May 14, 2008

Flip Yr Wig posted:

Also, we spent the first several years of the war selling weapons to other countries after our economy was massively below potential. We then spent the next several years after the war receiving war debt payments from Britain.

As others have also said, During and Post WWII every other economy had been bombed to rubble. The United States became a one stop shop so hence, our previously under-performing economy exploded. Due to the current nature of the world and the world economy, that will not happen again, but conservatives live in a fantasy land.

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eyebeem: Jul 18, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Solaris 2.0 posted:

As others have also said, During and Post WWII every other economy had been bombed to rubble. The United States became a one stop shop so hence, our previously under-performing economy exploded. Due to the current nature of the world and the world economy, that will not happen again, but conservatives live in a fantasy land.

I was about to post this as a follow up as well. Every other country involved had dealt with war on their soil. We didn't, other than Pearl Harbor and a few small craters on the west coast.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:38

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

We could have some great growth if we invested in ourselves with some infrastructure projects.

No? Ok then.

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Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

haveblue posted:

That's what one of them is doing, the other one has Dad's real gun in his back pocket.

I don't think he's going to attack NK, but I don't know how to fit that into my analogy. Maybe he accidentally dropped the gun in the toilet when his mom told him they were going to Taco Bell.

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empty whippet box: Jun 9, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Trump wants nk to strike the us so he can nuke them. Simple as that.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:42

CuddleCryptid: Jan 11, 2013; Things could be going better

RuanGacho posted:

We could have some great growth if we invested in ourselves with some infrastructure projects.

No? Ok then.

Chin up, rebuilding the radioactive wreck of San Fransisco is going to be huge for local industries.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:44

Paracaidas: Sep 24, 2016; Consistently Tedious!

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Chin up, rebuilding the radioactive wreck of San Fransisco is going to be huge for local industries.

Look, at this stage, I'm on board with drat near anything that would correct the housing market there. NIMBYs 'bout to get what they deserve!

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:46

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Chin up, rebuilding the radioactive wreck of San Fransisco is going to be huge for local industries.

Wait where is Twitter headquartered maybe we can make a deal.

gently caress I just realized how Trump is going to nationalize twitter.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:46

n4: Jul 26, 2001; Poor Chu-Chu : (

How long do you guys think McMaster will be around after this NSC memo business? He fired a bunch of Flynn lackees including Cohen-Watnick who Trump was a fan of.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:47

Chilichimp: Oct 24, 2006; TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp; Grimey Drawer

Trump Hands McConnell a Daunting To-Do List to Regain His Favor

Imagine a world in which the Senate Majority Leader was beholden to or gave a gently caress what the President thought of him/her.

I hate McConnell, but I hope he wipes his rear end with Trumps "list".

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Deptfordx: Dec 23, 2013

Flip Yr Wig posted:

Also, we spent the first several years of the war selling weapons to other countries after our economy was massively below potential. We then spent the next several years after the war receiving war debt payments from Britain.

Final installment was paid off in 2006.

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Sneakster: Jul 13, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Wait, who was the guy that was supposedly sacrificing his career to keep Trump in line? Cause I don't think that's working out at this point.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:50

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

NK will do their Guam test unless we drop the demand to give up their nukes as a precondition to dialogue.

Their missiles are going to go where they want them to go, they aren't going to 'miss' anything. But they will not actually attack Guam.

The question is if the US tries to intercept these missiles or not. It's a hard decision - NK says they will fire four missiles. How confident is the US that they will intercept all four? If they miss just one, that proves the permeability of our defenses. If they do not try to intercept, it sets a precedent for NK being able to sling missiles around very close to US territory, and also requires faith that they aren't actually attacking (they aren't, but does Trump believe it?)

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BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Solaris 2.0 posted:

They won't "back" the US, they would just leave the Kim regime to their fate and maybe send a few divisions to secure the Yalu River to secure the border / create a buffer zone. However, your point still stands and unfortunately no one knows. That is why this whole thing is starting to get a little bit scary because you have two mecurial leaders who are basically daring each other to strike first, and I don't think the rest of the world knows how to handle that. It's unprecedented for the modern era.

I think if China gets involved, Russia will, then it's nice knowing you.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 15:55

Blitz of 404 Error: Sep 19, 2007; Joe Biden is a top 15 president

Nuke NK but release propaganda that says we have reports that one of their missile launches failed

-an idea Trump probably floated

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coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

NewMars posted:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis

So it seems large and extremely important parts of the US government are just completely collapsing on the inside due to negligence. That's um. Concerning.

This is so loving depressing. THERE was a This American Life episode right after the election where they interviewed a ton of people who were like "well we will still be able to do our job - it's important! " :smithicide:

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TyroneGoldstein: Mar 30, 2005

Mozi posted:

NK will do their Guam test unless we drop the demand to give up their nukes as a precondition to dialogue.

Their missiles are going to go where they want them to go, they aren't going to 'miss' anything. But they will not actually attack Guam.

The question is if the US tries to intercept these missiles or not. It's a hard decision - NK says they will fire four missiles. How confident is the US that they will intercept all four? If they miss just one, that proves the permeability of our defenses. If they do not try to intercept, it sets a precedent for NK being able to sling missiles around very close to US territory, and also requires faith that they aren't actually attacking (they aren't, but does Trump believe it?)

I have to wonder if there's a guy or gal at the Pentagon right now game theory-ing what you just typed with a quarter full bottle of Makers Mark and a tear soaked page in front of them with the results.

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Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

Your Taint posted:

I think if China gets involved, Russia will, then it's nice knowing you.

That was Russia's plan all along! Get trump elected, have him alienate the EU, and watch the NK situation unfold.

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Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Chilichimp posted:

Trump Hands McConnell a Daunting To-Do List to Regain His Favor

Imagine a world in which the Senate Majority Leader was beholden to or gave a gently caress what the President thought of him/her.

I hate McConnell, but I hope he wipes his rear end with Trumps "list".

Haha Trump is doing the bad boss thing of telling an underling to do all his work for him.

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Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

North Korea state media responds to lock and loaded

quote:

Trump is driving the situation on the Korean peninsula to the brink of a nuclear war, making such outcries as “the U.S. will not rule out a war against the DPRK”.

From historical point of view, the U.S. criminal attempt to impose nuclear disaster upon the Korean nation is not of recent occurrence.

Even in the period of the 1950-1953 Korean war, the U.S. schemed to drop A-bomb on the Korean peninsula on at least 20 occasions.

After provoking the Korean war in 1950, the U.S. made desperate efforts to put into practice its plan for using A-bomb worked out before the war.

Whenever the war situation had gone against its will due to the powerful strike made by the Korean People’s Army, the U.S. tried to use A-bomb in a bid to win the “honorable victory”.

MacArthur, the then commander of the U.S. forces in the Far East, in secret telephone talks with the then U.S. President Truman claimed the use A-bomb in the Korean war.

He went the length of saying that according to his plan to drive the enemy into a tight corner, only an A-bomb was needed to destroy the one and only route from Manchuria of China and Vladivostok of Russia to Korea and it would take six months to restore it, as there were many tunnels and bridges along it.

And voices demanding the use of A-bomb in the war could be heard even from U.S. hard-line congressmen.

At that time, a British newspaper reported that B-29 and B-50 with the mark of atomic bomber in their tails frequented Yokoda air base in Japan.

In November 1950, Truman said in his statement that the U.S. would use A-bomb against north Korea. Timed to coincide with it, the U.S. imperialists deployed B-47 strategic bomber having A-bomb on board at its air base in Okinawa, Japan. And in December that year, they stored A-bombs on an aircraft carrier anchoring in the waters off Inchon, south Korea in top secrecy and kept its planes ready for action.

The U.S. imperialists dared not use A-bomb due to the strong protest of the international community, but such attempt was continued by those American warmongers like Eisenhower and Ridgway in the whole course of the Korean war.

All these facts go to prove that the U.S. is, indeed, the mastermind of nuclear threat, the heinous nuclear war fanatic.

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coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

BrianBoitano posted:

e: ^^^ Chinese state media said that if NK strikes first, China would back the US. This is the problem, though - does a failed/intercepted missile test count as striking first?

Serious question - if we successfully intercept and shoot down a NK missile aimed at Guam, will there be plausible deniability to say that it wasn't just a test and that it probably *did* endanger Americans, and count as a first strike for the purposes of justifying a counter-strike?

If you swing at someone and miss, they can still legally whip your rear end.

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Dietrich: Sep 11, 2001

Blitz7x posted:

If NK launched missles near Guam Donald Trump is not going react like that

Do you think Donald Trump even knows what Guam is?

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Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

coyo7e posted:

If you swing at someone and miss, they can still legally whip your rear end.

In this case it would be like turning slightly to the side and shadow boxing a bit to impress/intimidate someone.

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Paracaidas: Sep 24, 2016; Consistently Tedious!

Sneakster posted:

Wait, who was the guy that was supposedly sacrificing his career to keep Trump in line? Cause I don't think that's working out at this point.

Look, it's a learning period for all of us. This week's lesson is that if Trump can't get his drama fix through palace intrigue, he creates his own drama between branches and with foreign policy.

For the good of the nation, we need some west wing romances to sprout up.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 16:05

There Bias Two: Jan 13, 2009; I'm not a good person

Am I the only one who looks at the recent NK accusations and thinks, "Well, they're not entirely blown out of proportion at this point..."

# ? Aug 11, 2017 16:07

Relentlessboredomm: Oct 15, 2006; It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

Reading that Vanity Fair article I just had a fun thought: There's no way Trump's administration properly handles the 2020 census well which usually starts gearing up 1-2 years before the census date. So that's another fun thing to consider.

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Shibawanko: Feb 13, 2013

Oh my god don't start a war that might destroy my country you stupid, fat, bleached oval office of a man. Back down already.

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BlueberryCanary: Mar 18, 2016

Shibawanko posted:

Oh my god don't start a war that might destroy my country you stupid, fat, bleached oval office of a man. Back down already.

Trump will never overtly back down. Best case is he just stops talking about NK entirely when something else grabs the attention of his prion-riddled peanut brain.

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coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

Rigel posted:

In this case it would be like turning slightly to the side and shadow boxing a bit to impress/intimidate someone.

You hope.

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coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

Paracaidas posted:

Look, it's a learning period for all of us. This week's lesson is that if Trump can't get his drama fix through palace intrigue, he creates his own drama between branches and with foreign policy.

For the good of the nation, we need some west wing romances to sprout up.

Bannon/Conway

# ? Aug 11, 2017 16:12

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

There Bias Two posted:

Am I the only one who looks at the recent NK accusations and thinks, "Well, they're not entirely blown out of proportion at this point..."

At this point, there's part of me that thinks they're completely within their rights to maintain a nuclear deterrent.

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Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

I am ashamed to admit that most of what I know about Guam I learned from the Colbert Report way back in the day.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/7ibt5q/the-colbert-report-better-know-a-protectorate---guam---madeleine-bordallo

# ? Aug 11, 2017 16:12

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

coyo7e posted:

Bannon/Conway

If they made a porno, I think it would have to be considered an instrument of torture.

# ? Aug 11, 2017 16:12

Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

PT6A posted:

If they made a porno, I think it would have to be considered an instrument of torture.

Both of them just staring into the camera with the same, spitefully smug look, never-changing.

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Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

This is a very good article

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/896023988299870208

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