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FishBulb
Mar 29, 2003

Marge, I'd like to be alone with the sandwich for a moment.

Are you going to eat it?

...yes...

Germans love the Rock

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Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

FishBulb posted:

Germans love the Rock

Can confirm.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Things Germans love:
-The Hoff
-The Rock
-Mr.Bean

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

FreudianSlippers posted:

Things Germans love:
-Mr.Bean

They should make the Baywatch sequel also the sequel to that movie where Mr Bean went to the beach at Cannes.

They're probably not going to like Disney's Lion King remake as much. They replaced Rowan Atkinson with John Oliver as the voice of the toucan.

Mr Bean can show up unexpectedly in our media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIVDxL2lgN4

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

FreudianSlippers posted:

Things Germans love:
-The Hoff
-The Rock
-Mr.Bean

-Beer

This is basically the German anthem.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Pope Corky the IX posted:

I've tried so many times with Bond, but I can't help but feeling like most of it is hokey bullshit.

That's not a criticism of Bond, that's one of the best parts of Bond!

The whole movie franchise is hokey bullshit given all this attention and talent and resources to elevate it into a huge spectacle. The music, the set design, the stunts, and props. Shooting on location all over the globe in the most exotic and picturesque places. It's the silliest goddamn thing with top-flight production values.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
At it's best, Bond is a travelogue series. If it's not taking you to exotic locations and showing you fantastic sights, it's probably a lesser Bond movie. There are a few exceptions of course, the series has been around a long time, but for the most part it's at it's best when the locations are eye popping.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Basebf555 posted:

At it's best, Bond is a travelogue series. If it's not taking you to exotic locations and showing you fantastic sights, it's probably a lesser Bond movie. There are a few exceptions of course, the series has been around a long time, but for the most part it's at it's best when the locations are eye popping.

It would be cool to do a piece about Ian Fleming's wife, who at some point started pushing back on some of his stupider ideas. Enough about the guy with the golden typewriter.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
Great to see Fleming's legacy live on in the video game GoldenEye: Rogue Agent where the protagonist has a golden eye.

Basebf555 posted:

At it's best, Bond is a travelogue series. If it's not taking you to exotic locations and showing you fantastic sights, it's probably a lesser Bond movie. There are a few exceptions of course, the series has been around a long time, but for the most part it's at it's best when the locations are eye popping.

Bond was hugely popular for this reason in Japan. There was a film series there called Young Guys about some students who would travel a lot and get into stupid situations/whatever that was winding down around the same time that the Bond movies got big, so they filled in that niche of one going to the movie mainly to see all the location shooting in different places.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
It's something that Tom Cruise obviously understood and started to inject into the Mission Impossible series in the recent entries. The movie just feels bigger and more epic if you're taking people to Dubai or inside Vatican City.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



I like the Bond movies, but I understand why others might not. They're cheesy and formulaic, and the early Connery films in particular are heinously bad with the sexism ("man talk"). Somewhere around Moonraker, the series hit a snag and got really boring and same-y until Dalton was brought on to inject some life back into the films.

My favorite Bond movies might actually be the earliest ones: Dr No and From Russia with Love. In those films, Bond was more like a detective relying on his wits instead of a variety of gadgets that just happen to fit his exact needs for the current mission.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Basebf555 posted:

It's something that Tom Cruise obviously understood and started to inject into the Mission Impossible series in the recent entries. The movie just feels bigger and more epic if you're taking people to Dubai or inside Vatican City.

M:I and Fast & Furious both understand the appeal.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

My favorite Bond movies might actually be the earliest ones: Dr No and From Russia with Love. In those films, Bond was more like a detective relying on his wits instead of a variety of gadgets that just happen to fit his exact needs for the current mission.

At least in From Russia With Love(I haven't seen Dr. No in a few years), the gadgets definitely end up fitting in pretty perfectly with what he ends up needing for the mission. The briefcase has about 5 different functions that all become super important at one point or another.

Still, the story itself is a very grounded spy plot, which is what sets it apart from most other Bonds. It's the kind of thing that definitely has happened in real life, just mixed with all the SPECTRE craziness.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
At the same time, though, those exceptions you referred to are pretty big exceptions. The most exciting location in From Russia With Love was the inside of a sleeper compartment on a train, and Goldfinger wasn't location-driven at all.

Fleming weirdness. Everyone knows that he was an actual real-life intelligence officer in the Royal Navy during WWII, but it's not as well-known that he came up with a bunch of weird-rear end ideas some of which worked, and one of which worked *really* well.

One was to obtain an intact German bomber, crew it with British troops dressed as German aircraft, infiltrate it into a German cross-channel bombing raid as it was returning home, fake a crash and ditch it in the Channel while radioing on German frequencies for rescue. Then when the Germans sent a U-boat to pick up the downed bomber crew, they'd shoot their way onto the sub, kill everybody, and loot all the juicy Enigma stuff. This was primed and ready to go but they never found a suitable bombing raid to infiltrate.

Another was to get Aleister Crowley to convince Rudolph Hess that there was a secret cell of pro-German Englishmen operating in the UK who wanted to depose Churchill, so that they could feed Hess false information. Crowley was tapped because Hess was even more of a nutbag than most of the other Nazi leaders and was hugely into astrology and the occult and all that. This plan ended up being overtaken by events, because the dumbass flew a plane to England all on his own to try to negotiate a peace treaty behind Hitler's back (There's speculation that he was convinced this would work by another British intelligence ruse, but the relevant files are still sealed...one source credits Fleming with *that* plan as well but there's no corroboration) and was, as you'd expect, taken prisoner.

But one of his ideas formed the basis for one of the most successful deceptions ever to be pulled off in wartime: Operation Mincemeat.

After North Africa, the Allies wanted to continue to push into the Mediterranean. The logical and very very obvious place to go after first was Sicily, since its capture would allow the Allies to control shipping in the Med, and hence to invade Europe from the south. But given that it was such an obvious target, building up the forces required for an invasion would send a clear signal to the Axis: "We're going to invade Sicily."

Fleming had, years earlier, written a memo detailing the possibilities of dropping a dead body dressed as an RAF airman into France, with a working radio on the body. The Germans would find the working British radio set and use it to listen in on British messages, and the Brits would be using it to send the Germans disinformation.

A couple of guys from the RAF and RN turned this cruft into a working plan. First step was find a suitable corpse. They couldn't risk exposing the plan by asking relatives of a dead guy to take his body, so they had to find a guy who died without leaving relatives behind. They also couldn't use one who died of some easily-identifiable non-drowning cause. They had to create a fake military history for the guy they found, to justify his having secret documents in his possession. They seeded his body with the sorts of stuff a British major would have on his possession; fictitious identification, fictitious love letters from a fictitious fiancee, a fictitious receipt for a fictitious engagement ring...and a set of fake documents detailing among other things some plans and order of battle for an invasion of southern Greece being launched from North Africa.

The body was carried by submarine to a point just off the coast of Spain, where it was fitted with a life vest and allowed to float ashore with the expectation that the ostensibly neutral Spaniards would pass what they found onto the Germans.

They sort of did. They turned the body over, but not the papers. The Germans investigated the body and fell for that part of it; a coroner reported that whoever this guy was was alive when he ended up in the ocean and then drowned. The British published a death notice for him in the paper, and then sent out messages in the clear to their naval attache in Spain telling him to try to recover the documents but not to alert the Spanish to their existence. The Germans, reading those messages, said "What documents?" and started asking the Spanish about them, who eventually turned them over.

The Germans fell for them hook, line, and sinker. Mussolini told Hitler: "Look, Sicily's where they're headed," and Hitler said "No, that's a trick, we've got these documents about their real plans," and they reinforced southern Greece. They didn't send any reinforcements at all to Sicily until three days after the invasion started.

The Germans got burned so bad by this operation that it paid off for the Allies later. Shortly after the D-Day landings, an allied landing craft with actual, real secret documents washed ashore in France. The Germans found them, and said "Oh, not this bullshit again!" And then again, during Market-Garden, documents detailing how the airborne component of that invasion would be deployed were dumbassedly left on one of the landing gliders. The Germans found them, and again figured they were misinformation and didn't deploy to take advantage of it (not that it mattered much in that case.)

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

basic hitler posted:

Comic book art is getting worse right?

Jack Kirby drawing everyone male and female alike with the same rictus deathmask face isnt really much better than everyone in Squirrel Girl looking like they're halfway through a bag of Warheads imho

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

Goddamn. War is hell, and all, but isolated parts of it were amazing.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Basebf555 posted:

At it's best, Bond is a travelogue series. If it's not taking you to exotic locations and showing you fantastic sights, it's probably a lesser Bond movie. There are a few exceptions of course, the series has been around a long time, but for the most part it's at it's best when the locations are eye popping.

Also notable is that Fleming's older brother Peter wrote a number of travelogues from exotic locations in the 1930s, and I know at least some Fleming biographers argue (no idea how true it is myself) that Ian wanting to imitate Peter was partly why he got into writing Bond.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

It would be cool to do a piece about Ian Fleming's wife, who at some point started pushing back on some of his stupider ideas. Enough about the guy with the golden typewriter.

After the Suez Crisis, the UK Prime Minister Anthony Eden went to stay with the Flemings in Jamaica. At the time, Ann Fleming was carrying on an affair with Eden's leader of the opposition, Hugh Gaitskell. Additionally, Casino Royale was published by Macmillan, the book publisher's owned by the family of Eden's successor as PM, Harold Macmillan.

Phanatic posted:

Another was to get Aleister Crowley to convince Rudolph Hess that there was a secret cell of pro-German Englishmen operating in the UK who wanted to depose Churchill, so that they could feed Hess false information. Crowley was tapped because Hess was even more of a nutbag than most of the other Nazi leaders and was hugely into astrology and the occult and all that. This plan ended up being overtaken by events, because the dumbass flew a plane to England all on his own to try to negotiate a peace treaty behind Hitler's back (There's speculation that he was convinced this would work by another British intelligence ruse, but the relevant files are still sealed...one source credits Fleming with *that* plan as well but there's no corroboration) and was, as you'd expect, taken prisoner.

Fleming/Crowley's WWII interaction and the flight of Hess are two of the many plots of the fantastic 2012 novel The House of Rumour by Jake Arnott. I highly recommend it.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

Rock the Mok



A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Close enough to release the Emoji Movie is dropping clips so you don't have to pay to see the fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_v1F9XUb4

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

I'm getting Food Fight flashbacks over here.

Space Robot
Sep 3, 2011

Tars Tarkas posted:

Close enough to release the Emoji Movie is dropping clips so you don't have to pay to see the fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_v1F9XUb4

I liked the emoticon joke.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

davidspackage posted:

Goddamn. War is hell, and all, but isolated parts of it were amazing.

drat right: http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/show-of-force/

quote:

The Ghost Army carried out twenty-one deception missions between June 1944 and March 1945—nearly the entire time the U.S. Army was operating in Europe. One of these was Operation Bettembourg, in which The Ghost Army filled a 75 mile gap in the American line of troops for 7 days, until an actual armored division could come in and take their place.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Lobok posted:

That's not a criticism of Bond, that's one of the best parts of Bond!

The whole movie franchise is hokey bullshit given all this attention and talent and resources to elevate it into a huge spectacle. The music, the set design, the stunts, and props. Shooting on location all over the globe in the most exotic and picturesque places. It's the silliest goddamn thing with top-flight production values.

Again, not making GBS threads on anyone for being a Bond fan, just explaining why I can't stand the vast majority of Bond films. I don't know what I wanted, but not that. And I know that makes me sound like an idiot. I'm okay with that.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Tars Tarkas posted:

Close enough to release the Emoji Movie is dropping clips so you don't have to pay to see the fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_v1F9XUb4
This is really bad

Psygnosis
Jul 30, 2003

Tars Tarkas posted:

Close enough to release the Emoji Movie is dropping clips so you don't have to pay to see the fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_v1F9XUb4

I hope this movie does so poorly that it's yanked out of all the theaters its in within two weeks.

Dinosaurs!
May 22, 2003

Were the Greeks ever so hard up for ideas they wrote a play about the happy and sad masks?

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

FreudianSlippers posted:

Things Germans love:
-The Hoff
-The Rock
-Mr.Bean

According to Look Who's Back, Hitler impersonations.

Also, Frankenstein

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Dinosaurs! posted:

Were the Greeks ever so hard up for ideas they wrote a play about the happy and sad masks?

I wonder if the jim carrey Mask fits into the marvel universe now, since that mask was created by Loki

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

got any sevens posted:

I wonder if the jim carrey Mask fits into the marvel universe now, since that mask was created by Loki

That's the exclusive property of the upcoming Dark Horse Comics Dark Horse Cinematic Universe (or the DHC^2U if you prefer).

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Big Mean Jerk posted:

That's the exclusive property of the upcoming Dark Horse Comics Dark Horse Cinematic Universe (or the DHC^2U if you prefer).

We got Sin City and Barb Wire, but never a Concrete or Bacchus movie.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


IIRC they're supposedly working on a Concrete TV series.

I'd be interested in seeing a more faithful adaptation of The Mask. Mainly because the idea is supposed to be kind of horrifying.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Best comic book artists were Jack Kamen and Ghastly Graham Ingels. The real golden age of comics is when EC comics dominated the industry.



This is fact.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

muscles like this! posted:

IIRC they're supposedly working on a Concrete TV series.

Oh hell yeah. That was a surprisingly zen comic from what I remember.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Yeah, it is definitely an anti-superhero comic book. For those who haven't heard of it, Concrete is the story of a guy who is kidnapped by aliens who put his brain into a living stone robot body. He escapes the aliens but is left in this new body which is super strong, tough and extremely sensitive eyes but his other senses are dulled. Outside of the alien stuff the comic takes place in the "real" world so there aren't any monsters or supervillains to fight so mainly Concrete just has to decide what exactly he wants to do with this new life. So he does stuff like climbing Everest or attempting to swim across the Atlantic ocean.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Big Mean Jerk posted:

That's the exclusive property of the upcoming Dark Horse Comics Dark Horse Cinematic Universe (or the DHC^2U if you prefer).

Speaking of Dark Horse adaptations, Umbrella Academy just got announced as the next Netflix adaptation.

dirksteadfast
Oct 10, 2010

Tars Tarkas posted:

Close enough to release the Emoji Movie is dropping clips so you don't have to pay to see the fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_v1F9XUb4

Wow, it's even less original than I imagined. "Everyone has a specific job" (lists off a dozen emojis whose "job" is to exist)

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


It is also just so incredibly lazy. Why bother writing a script that let this stuff all come out naturally when you can just have a voiceover explain it right at the beginning?

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

FreudianSlippers posted:

I'm getting Food Fight flashbacks over here.

Food Fight was bad but at least it actually had textures.

I've seen actual emojis that had more color and depth and personality than those colored blobs in the movie.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

muscles like this! posted:

It is also just so incredibly lazy. Why bother writing a script that let this stuff all come out naturally when you can just have a voiceover explain it right at the beginning?

Because this is a movie for idiots

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


The Emoji Movie seems like it should be poorly rendered Netflix schlock from India, which would perfectly match its conceptual bankruptcy. Instead they poured enough money on it to at least go out visually looking like a middling Dreamworks effort, and blew tons more money on well known actors to voice the characters. I hope this isn't the start of a trend.

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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
That Emoji Movie trailer made me sort of like, annoyed? Now that you mention it I think the massive opening voice over is why. I mean it's the Emoji Movie of course it's going to suck but really am getting a Foodfight feel.

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