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Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Pirate Radar posted:

to be fair he didn’t say he disliked Jews, he could be admiring their secret control of American finance and politics

Actually a lot of people in the Japanese government had that stance in WWII, which is one of the reasons why a lot of jews were able to escape to Japan.

"So you're saying these guys have the uncanny ability to make tons of money and control world politics? We could use some of that."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_settlement_in_the_Japanese_Empire

quote:

Memoranda written in 1930s Imperial Japan proposed settling Jewish refugees escaping Nazi-occupied Europe in Japanese-controlled territory. As interpreted by Marvin Tokayer and Swartz (who used the term "Fugu Plan", "河豚計画", that was used by the Japanese to describe this plan), they proposed that large numbers of Jewish refugees should be encouraged to settle in Manchukuo or Japan-occupied Shanghai,[1] thus gaining the benefit of the supposed economic prowess of the Jews and also convincing the United States, and specifically American Jewry, to grant political favor and economic investment into Japan. The idea was partly based on the acceptance of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as being a genuine document by at least part of the Japanese leadership.[2]

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Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

I recommend people click through and check out what thread this was posted in, for the full effect

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

that's some fuckin prestige-class guess the thread

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
My prestige class is Arcane Trickster

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
Nuremberg was a kangaroo court farce because the real monsters got new lives in the US via operation paperclip. That Mengele fellow seems like a winner let's let him run research on us citizens.

Jollity Farm
Apr 23, 2010


Martin King Luther?

Do you know, I don't think these people know what they're talking about at all!

Teal
Feb 25, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

Byolante posted:

Nuremberg was a kangaroo court farce because the real monsters got new lives in the US via operation paperclip. That Mengele fellow seems like a winner let's let him run research on us citizens.

Wait what the gently caress, Mengele of all the people got out?

Captain Billy Pissboy
Oct 25, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
the article doesnt go into detail what these "gains" are besides unemployment is low

quote:

If you think current accounts of what Donald Trump has done for black people — unemployment at the lowest level ever, except for small (disproportionately black) babies disfavored by the Democratic Party — are vicious, think what the history books, at least those written by left-wing zealots (which is most of them) will say.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Teal posted:

Wait what the gently caress, Mengele of all the people got out?

he fled to argentina and spent his time living in a village making everyone have twins

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Teal posted:

Wait what the gently caress, Mengele of all the people got out?

idk what biolante's talking about, mengele managed to escape europe by keeping a low profile and using his connections with other former SS to get a passport and a ticket to buenos aires. he led a petty boug life there with the help of wealthy nazi sympathizers, died in 1979 when he suffered a stroke while swimming. he never saw the inside of a courtroom over what he did at auschwitz

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

Yeah but he was tortured by Allied Mastercomputer.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Unit 731 would have been a better example:

quote:

Unit 731 was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) of World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Imperial Japan.

Instead of being tried for war crimes after the war, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for the data they gathered through human experimentation. Other researchers that the Soviet forces managed to arrest first were tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials in 1949. The Americans did not try the researchers so that the information and experience gained in bio-weapons could be co-opted into the U.S. biological warfare program, as had happened with Nazi researchers in Operation Paperclip. On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, wrote to Washington that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence". Victim accounts were then largely ignored or dismissed in the West as communist propaganda.

Serf
May 5, 2011


the pro strat is to offer immunity in exchange for their research, then shoot them anyways

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Iirc most of the paperclip guys were rocketry guys. I think there was onw but who turned out to have done medical experiments and ofc p much all of them were complicit in use of slave labor

Captain Billy Pissboy
Oct 25, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/opinion/sunday/never-cook-at-home.html



the article isnt really that bad but lol

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/8132550/Secret-papers-reveal-Nazis-given-safe-haven-in-US.html

US were actively trying to get Mengele to come and help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip#Key_recruits

The paperclip medical people are a whos who of human weapons testing psychopaths

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he



They fixed the tweet but the headline is still wrong lol https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1034481249375662080?s=19

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 200 days!

Byolante posted:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/8132550/Secret-papers-reveal-Nazis-given-safe-haven-in-US.html

US were actively trying to get Mengele to come and help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip#Key_recruits

The paperclip medical people are a whos who of human weapons testing psychopaths

The great thing is the research is mostly useless. For Mengele, there's an argument that one of his experiments may have gathered hypothetically useful niche information on hypothermia. It was a completely accidental byproduct of an attempt to prove race theory on the grounds of its prediction that Russians endure extremely low temperatures notably better than members of other "races."

Your Parents
Jul 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich

Bushiz posted:

Germany, but only because the soviets made us and after we already evacuated the ones we really liked.

The Soviets also hired Nazis and employed them in a very similar circumstance to operation paperclip dude.

Your Parents
Jul 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich

Pirate Radar posted:

to be fair he didn’t say he disliked Jews, he could be admiring their secret control of American finance and politics

This is the Farrakhan/NOI position as well. Insanely anti-Semitic but in the sense of intense jealousy

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Your Parents posted:

The Soviets also hired Nazis and employed them in a very similar circumstance to operation paperclip dude.

my understanding had always been that the soviet exploitation of Nazis with useful technical knowledge had been basically coercive and similar to POW experiences, with some exceptions

do you have a good source for that, I'm curious

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Frog Act posted:

my understanding had always been that the soviet exploitation of Nazis with useful technical knowledge had been basically coercive and similar to POW experiences, with some exceptions

do you have a good source for that, I'm curious

The Nazis with useful knowledge were rewarded with good accommodations and privileges, they weren’t treated like POWs.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

Soviets still have the high score for executing Nazis and not letting them run GDR.

Teal
Feb 25, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pirate Radar posted:

The Nazis with useful knowledge were rewarded with good accommodations and privileges, they weren’t treated like POWs.

There's still a pretty huge difference between trying a guy and giving him better accommodations during his ensuring lifelong imprisonment and guaranteeing immunity to a fair trial, dude.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Teal posted:

There's still a pretty huge difference between trying a guy and giving him better accommodations during his ensuring lifelong imprisonment and guaranteeing immunity to a fair trial, dude.

...yes? This is true? I didn’t say or imply that the way the Soviets treated their Nazi scientists was the same as the way the US did.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Hodgepodge posted:

The great thing is the research is mostly useless. For Mengele, there's an argument that one of his experiments may have gathered hypothetically useful niche information on hypothermia. It was a completely accidental byproduct of an attempt to prove race theory on the grounds of its prediction that Russians endure extremely low temperatures notably better than members of other "races."

Russians are the nords from Skyrim

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Shear Modulus posted:

lol

is there a single country america conqured where we executed or locked up forever the leadership like a conquering power is supposed to

Modern western imperialism aims to acheive it's ends more in the manner of the Achaemenids, were you get local patsies to manage thing, then in the manner of, say, the Hittites. An important factor in this all dates back to the strategic vision of Mahan, who loved sea power but was leery of large ground campaigns. He wanted a stronk navy to protect America from an imagined naval invasion, and to him this meant naval bases in, say, the Philippines for example.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

the primary reason to have naval bases in the Philippines was to recoal warships so we could project power into China.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Party Boat posted:

They fixed the tweet but the headline is still wrong lol https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1034481249375662080?s=19

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

gradenko_2000 posted:

the Baath party leaders were ostensibly willing to play along and cooperate with the occupying government ...

... until Paul Bremer decided to fire them all!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bremer#Disbanding_the_Iraqi_Army

Lol

Reading to the bottom, its especially lol that even Newt loving Gingrich called him "the largest single disaster in American foreign policy in modern times"

How many times a day does he show up on CNN or Fox nowadays

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Pirate Radar posted:

I recommend people click through and check out what thread this was posted in, for the full effect

at first I was like, what’s wrong with this take but then, :lol:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/...ingawful.com%2F

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/JeremyPoxon/status/1034997659570921472

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/Arpwel/status/1034508883312746497

Serf
May 5, 2011



https://twitter.com/Arpwel/status/1034509753886691328

clearly we need self-diagnosed autistic white guys with rich dads who profit off the war in the middle east

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Serf posted:

https://twitter.com/Arpwel/status/1034509753886691328

clearly we need self-diagnosed autistic white guys with rich dads who profit off the war in the middle east
lmao

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

It's simply unconscionable and disgusting that people would stoop to the level of *checks notes* reading what we've published.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

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Serf
May 5, 2011


engaging in the very important work of sitting in a 700k house paid for in the souls of dead iraqis obsessively cataloging people who make fun of you on reddit

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