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Think of it in terms of early game and late/post game regarding blitz. You get grabs on defenseless adcs with limited mobility early and that can be an early kill you can snowball with. Late game you grab the right person before the big 5v5 and suddenly your team has a HUGE advantage at the most important time.
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The Mash posted:Blitzcrank exists because he has an ultimate-level ability on his Q and you can win games on him if you can land Q occasionally. Being good at Blitz, honestly, is less about how well you aim and more about learning when to try hooks and when not to But you can be a retard who whiffs Q every time it's off cooldown and you can still land hooks by accident!
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Apr 28, 2016 22:03
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The Door Frame posted:Both lvl 6 Illoai and Vel can singlehandedly kill enemy ADC, supp, and a ganker with limited help from their own ADC if pressed. They can both, if not win, at least hold, solo bot if need be. In my mind, you would pick them for the same reason, so they get lumped together regardless of their respective strengths or abilities. I think this is where the confusion of my "Illoai is basically the same support as Vel" statement is coming from.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:09
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Bholder posted:But you can be a retard who whiffs Q every time it's off cooldown and you can still land hooks by accident! Better than Thresh or Naut, you don't fly into the enemy on bad hooks
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Apr 28, 2016 22:11
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The Door Frame posted:Better than Thresh or Naut, you don't fly into the enemy on bad hooks The trade-off is the alternate "ah poo poo guys I brought you all Amumu/Malphite"
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Apr 28, 2016 22:15
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Love to initiate tower dives as Leona by getting Blitz hooked as our jungler enters the lane
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I just had my first game as Kindred. It was fun and I won. What's the best way to build her for future games? I went down the warrior, bork, maw kinda build, though I'm not sure if that's the most efficient way of building her.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:24
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I'm glad Illaoi is bad because she's a pile of minigames and gently caress having to learn that. Currently I can ignore her kit and that's fine by me.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:36
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itsjustdrew posted:I just had my first game as Kindred. It was fun and I won. What's the best way to build her for future games? I went down the warrior, bork, maw kinda build, though I'm not sure if that's the most efficient way of building her. Standard build is Devourer, Runaan's, Maw, then whatever. Probably will still be the same post-Devourer rework just given how much she benefits from aspd.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:39
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Thank you, Yeah I can see how AS works well. I built warrior because I saw how good she is early/ early-mid game. plus every other champ I play in jungle is devourer based, so it gets boring. But thank, I'll do that.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:43
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Did they put in the changes where Maw and Sterak shield can't both be up or is that something that was on PBE? I thought it was live and then I double checked and can't find it now.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:45
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I think it's on pbe. The idea is to give them both unique: lifeline or whatever it's called, so if that's not the case yet on live then it's still pbe
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Apr 28, 2016 22:48
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The Door Frame posted:Better than Thresh or Naut, you don't fly into the enemy on bad hooks Somehow I don't get the feeling that landing too many hooks is your problem.
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Apr 28, 2016 23:04
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RealFoxy posted:Why are you playing Morde, Quinn, Lux, Ziggs, and Anivia support I only play Quinn out of those, but the other 4 are common enough to see one every fifth or sixth game. Less so Morde since people bitched enough to nerf the EXP share and let him solo lane, but I still see one every so often. Also, I remember a recent 2-3 page long slapfight about Lux's viability as a support, so I don't know why you'd be surprised at all to see her on the list And I play Quinn to live the gimmick of "Quinn can do anything". She turns into an AD scaling caster if you support with her. She has a blind that scales with AP so you can build the frosty eye supp item and Banner without wasting too much inventory space, she has a slow/dash, and she has a vision ability; so she actually has some utility in her kit besides just the gimmick. Plus, you can build the weirder items that ADC's never actually use like Mortal Reminder or Wit's End so that you can have utility in team fights. It's really more of a thing to do if you're bored or if you know for a fact that you need a second ADC in lane who can do things besides shoot fast and crit. I wouldn't recommend her for serious play in almost any situation, but it is more viable than any other ADC in the support role Y'all are so drat serious about what a champion can and can't do, experiment a little, have fun with the game. How else would we have Tank Ekko, Jungle Graves, Panth Mid, Brand Supp, and all of those out of place champions that dominate the meta if everyone played their champion in its designated role with its intended build? I get that it's not "just a game" since pro play has real money on the line, but try new things and enjoy the dumb fun of it because for the grand majority of us, it's just a game
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I am all for off meta poo poo anywhere but the bot lane, because there's a really strong chance you're ruining the game for your other laner when you queue up as that Wit's End Quinn support.
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Apr 28, 2016 23:48
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Personally, I'm convinced and will be playing Quinn support in all my ranked games for the rest of the season. You will all laugh now, but wait til it shows up in the LCS for the spell thief's/blind synergy.
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The Door Frame posted:How else would we have Tank Ekko, Jungle Graves, Panth Mid, Brand Supp, and all of those out of place champions that dominate the meta if everyone played their champion in its designated role with its intended build? But, none of these are crazy out of place? People have been building Ekko tank since his release because his kit is absurd, Graves' clears are insane and he takes no damage from monsters, Panth shits on squishies, and mages have been played as support since the beginning of time. AP Quinn support or Ziggs support or Illaoi support is loving absurd and useless.
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i would think you're trolling if you weren't so loving earnest about this stupid poo poo The Door Frame
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Firebert posted:But, none of these are crazy out of place? People have been building Ekko tank since his release because his kit is absurd, Graves' clears are insane and he takes no damage from monsters, Panth shits on squishies, and mages have been played as support since the beginning of time. Firebert posted:mages have been played as support since the beginning of time. Right, I forgot Ziggs was a bruiser And that assassin is synonymous with tank. And that Quinn and Graves, both ADC's built for laning, specifically retooled for laning, are some of the best Junglers this season. And that we just had a page defending "Tank Karma" builds. But that's not out of character or against what those champions are designed for at all Say what you want, but I would be more upset with Urgot ADC than a gimmick support, and he is supposed to be an ADC.
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i had an AP MF support on my team last week, did pretty well in lane pretty sure we ended up losing that one for other stupid reasons. its the guys on the champs you expect to be good that you gotta watch out for, not the AP MF.
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Yo even "serious" players try out off meta stuff all the time. Usually it doesn't work so they don't go blabbing about it Like I played twitch mid a couple times, it is bad, don't do it
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There's a lot of people I trust with off-meta oddball picks and none of them are ranked in Bronze. Just play safe standard stuff and try not to make two dozen mistakes a game.
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Libertine posted:Just play safe standard stuff and try not to make two dozen mistakes a game. Don't tell me what to do, dad.
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Radical posted:you guys do know that the champion mastery is comparing you to other people's performances on the champion and not some arbitrary bullshit right? the trinket thing might have affected it but after they changed the trinkets it clearly doesn't anymore I must be an awesome blitz because I've had 5 S- and 1S and I'm not even level 5.
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Ekko is supposed to be an assassin, but everyone noticed that he had extremely high base damage numbers. Almost every single AP champion played somewhere other than they were supposed to be was built with way too high of bases, and smart players figured out that certain itemization favored them elsewhere. With the current keystones and itemization, literally any champ can be intended to do one thing but if they're melee and AP they will be better as a tank. It's not complicated and it's not because somebody was trying to make something off meta work. It's also a far cry from trying out some goofy poo poo in the jungle or top lane from someone wanting to not play a support and picking something that can't do what supports need to down there. A lot of people have PTSD from that from past seasons. Also honestly support is an important role that needs to be able to do one of a few things and there's a reason most off meta supports can't do the role, and it's because they don't offer one of them. Usually it's CC/disengage/peel/engage/strong roaming ability/being able to get your ADC ahead. If your support can't do at least two of these things, throw them in the garbage can and start again. Actually tank Elise support reminds me of that first point I was making, she has high enough bases to be able to build tanky while still doing some damage, and she has a spammable hard CC ability and is very strong in lane.
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The Door Frame posted:And that Quinn and Graves, both ADC's built for laning, specifically retooled for laning, are some of the best Junglers this season. I'm not sure why you would think that either Quinn or Graves are built for laning or were reworked to make them better laners. When you look at Quinn's reworked ult, you really shouldn't be thinking 'boy ... they sure did retool her for laning'. Support is actually not that flexible of a role. You need lots of CC, lots of poke with good bases and reasonable mana costs, or lots of sustain/shields that can be cast on opposing champions, and at least *some* utility to make yourself viable in the role. You can't scale off AD/AS because there is no good build path for you, and you have to have a decent early game. There are actually a surprisingly low number of champions in the game that fit that description. Midlane is actually a very flexible role as long as you're not blind picking, which is why off-meta stuff like Irelia/Yi/Wukong/J4/Pantheon/Quinn are all viable and in some cases very strong in the matchup. Probably close to half the champions in the game are viable in mid, as long as you aren't picking first.
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Taking the bait but...The Door Frame posted:Right, I forgot Ziggs was a bruiser Ziggs has one form of CC and it's pretty lousy for peeling or setting up kills, compared to Brand or Annie or Zyra or Velkoz or... Ekko has mobility, %hp damage, loads of CC and great base damage, pretty much all quintessential bruiser/tank traits... Graves' autos intentionally knockback monsters, Quinn intentionally blinds them, both are completely useless for laning and were both added in the marksman rework to make them viable junglers. Tank Karma is loving useless lol
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kingcobweb posted:Like I played twitch mid a couple times, it is bad, don't do it The Door Frame posted:It's really more of a thing to do if you're bored... I wouldn't recommend her for serious play in almost any situation  I write my experiences playing the relevant champions because I don't mind looking silly while playing League, but I don't think I've actually said that it was a good idea to play any of the champions I mentioned as supports. I know I said Illoai used to work, but I also said that I stopped playing her anymore because people learned how to fight against her, and that that inexperience was more than half of the reason she worked at all. Bottom of the ladder seems to be a completely different game than most of the posters here experience. I would recommend smurfing a bit, you get to experience all of the madness that happens when you have a bunch of lovely players, a couple of super toxic douchenozzles, a bunch of smurfs, and a bunch of tryhards who suck, all in the same game
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The Door Frame posted:
Lol if I played in bronze I would stop being bronze pretty quick
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The Door Frame posted:I could be wrong in my weird, meta-classifications of supports, but I'm well aware that Illoai has different strengths and abilities from Vel-Koz. I'm not great by any stretch of the imagination, but I am definitely not that bad at this game arent you bronze 3? yes you are
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blah_blah posted:I'm not sure why you would think that either Quinn or Graves are built for laning or were reworked to make them better laners. When you look at Quinn's reworked ult, you really shouldn't be thinking 'boy ... they sure did retool her for laning'. Eh, I say that for the same reason that Urgot and Morde are "ADC's", they were part of the marksmen update that focused on ADC's. Plus, almost every patch, their ability to jungle goes down a little bit more, like just this patch, Graves' direct AD->Damage ratio got slightly nerfed and his crits were buffed. Most jungle builds don't add in crit chance until later in the game, and even then, it's rarely higher than 60%, which leads me to believe they intend to gently push him towards lane. Top lane, if need be, but lane in general Support is extremely flexible as long as both sides are being just as flexible. As I say almost every single time, real supports completely outclass gimmicks, but if the enemy has no real supports by their 4th pick, you're generally safe with Heimer, Aniva, or whoever has a respectable health pool, some CC, or just high enough base stats to secure early kills. That's actually a lot of the reason I stopped maining support, even though I love support champions. As I got slightly higher MMR, I would run into more Sonas, Rakas, Blitzes, and the like, and they would wreck my gimicky poo poo. As much as I love doing stupid poo poo, I like winning more, so I moved into the jungle and into top lane, where dumb bullshit is just par for the course. Where else could my most successful champion be a tank built specifically for kamikaze attacks, if not the jungle? E: Verviticus posted:arent you bronze 3? yes you are I'm better than 16% of all of the players on the NA servers. As sad as that is, by virtue of the legions of shitmongers who play this game, I'm statistically not that bad. Not great, but better than 1/6 of everyone on the continent who plays ranked The Door Frame fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Apr 29, 2016 |
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The Door Frame posted:I like winning its not obvious The Door Frame posted:I'm better than 16% of all of the players on the NA servers. As sad as that is, by virtue of the legions of shitmongers who play this game, I'm statistically not that bad. Not great, but better than 1/6 of everyone on the continent who plays ranked you are very below average. you are quite bad
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the only weird stupid thing i do is ADC mages in ARAM and the only good one i've found is ahri
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The Door Frame posted:I'm better than 16% of all of the players on the NA servers. As sad as that is, by virtue of the legions of shitmongers who play this game, I'm statistically not that bad. Not great, but better than 1/6 of everyone on the continent who plays ranked
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The Door Frame posted:Eh, I say that for the same reason that Urgot and Morde are "ADC's", they were part of the marksmen update that focused on ADC's. Plus, almost every patch, their ability to jungle goes down a little bit more, like just this patch, Graves' direct AD->Damage ratio got slightly nerfed and his crits were buffed. Most jungle builds don't add in crit chance until later in the game, and even then, it's rarely higher than 60%, which leads me to believe they intend to gently push him towards lane. Top lane, if need be, but lane in general Lol you suck rear end, and I'm bad.
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I want to respond but at the same time I feel like it has to be a troll 
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Verviticus posted:its not obvious Eh, fair enough. I would argue that that I'm still better than a couple hundred thousand players, but that's a bit of a facile argument and I hill I wouldn't choose to die on I just wish that at least the client worked the way I wanted it to. I've been unable to login all afternoon and just want my League fix before I have to study more
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You suck rear end, a few thousand are worse. Millions are better.
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