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Worf posted:ugh God I need to rewatch that I feel really bad for Nana Visitor having to deal with him for six seasons
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lmao if you haven’t already added stardate to your spellcheck, just lmao
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Jun 26, 2022 23:53
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Kesper North posted:I feel really bad for Nana Visitor having to deal with him for six seasons Oh no, is he a creep in real life?
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Jun 27, 2022 00:03
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FishFood posted:Oh no, is he a creep in real life? Nothing specific, but there were some vague statements in The Fifty-Year Mission that Alaimo was difficult to work with due to his intensity. It's also telling that he's one of the only major actors who didn't appear in the DS9 documentary (they just used archive footage from the DVD releases). His career also essentially flatlined after DS9 ended. Again, nothing specific, but when it comes to Trek actors, it's not hard to guess that when there's smoke, there's fire.
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Jun 27, 2022 00:18
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I always thought if Kramer had an rear end in a top hat estranged dad, Alaimo could totally play him.
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Jun 27, 2022 00:24
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Timby posted:Nothing specific, but there were some vague statements in The Fifty-Year Mission that Alaimo was difficult to work with due to his intensity. It's also telling that he's one of the only major actors who didn't appear in the DS9 documentary (they just used archive footage from the DVD releases). His career also essentially flatlined after DS9 ended. Oof, that's a bummer. I was in an acting program for three and a half years so I know the type. Could be anything from uncomfortable to work with to complete monster.
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Jun 27, 2022 01:15
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Didn’t Alaimo push for a Dukat/Kira romance, while Visitor was hard on the ‘oh hell no’ approach?
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I thought the Visitor/Alaimo thing was that she found his character repulsive and had a hard time seeing him as anything other than Dukat.
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Zaroff posted:Didn’t Alaimo push for a Dukat/Kira romance, while Visitor was hard on the ‘oh hell no’ approach? the best part about their relationship was her telling him to gently caress off every 2 minutes and get lost / commit less genocide next time It sucks that he was a bajoran for s7 because kai winn cooperating with him to get her own goals done intentionally would have been in character and more interesting imo, and a better use of Louise Fletcher
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Jun 27, 2022 01:42
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The one good thing about the Dukat/Winn plot line is when she realizes what happened and goes to Kira genuinely contrite, right up until she realizes that she might have to give up power. Then she decides she'd rather go worship Satan with Hitler
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Jun 27, 2022 02:00
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StashAugustine posted:The one good thing about the Dukat/Winn plot line is when she realizes what happened and goes to Kira genuinely contrite, right up until she realizes that she might have to give up power. Then she decides she'd rather go worship Satan with Hitler They really lucked out in being able to get Louise Fletcher for that role
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FlamingLiberal posted:They really lucked out in being able to get Louise Fletcher for that role lol young me was not prepared for mean kai winn  i really hated how she always was plotting against DS9 lol
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FishFood posted:Oh no, is he a creep in real life? Timby posted:Nothing specific, but there were some vague statements in The Fifty-Year Mission that Alaimo was difficult to work with due to his intensity. It's also telling that he's one of the only major actors who didn't appear in the DS9 documentary (they just used archive footage from the DVD releases). His career also essentially flatlined after DS9 ended. You both need to watch "What We Left Behind". Not only is it mostly fantastic and hilarious, but it does an incredible job of juxtaposing Nana Visitor talking about how freaked out she was by Marc Alaimo and literally making the writers swear that they would never create a romance plot between those two characters, and Marc Alaimo talking about how hot Nana Visitor was and how much she was clearly into him. It leaves little doubt that there is little difference between Marc Alaimo and the character he played, and that he utterly lacks self-awareness about that fact.
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Lack of self-awareness is near the top of the list for Gul Dukat's character traits.
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Who’s the best outsider character: Data, Odo, The Doctor, or T’pol?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Who’s the best outsider character: Data, Odo, The Doctor, or T’pol? Odo because he knew when to grunt.
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Jun 28, 2022 04:34
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*sagely* Seven of Nine
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Who’s the best outsider character: Data, Odo, The Doctor, or T’pol? Easy, T’po— zoux posted:*sagely* Seven of Nine never mind.
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Jun 28, 2022 05:19
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None of those are Outrageous enough.
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Jun 28, 2022 05:32
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What if we include Guinan?
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Bogus Adventure posted:What if we include Guinan? Guinan is like the most insider character there is. People go to Guinan to get their poo poo straightened out when THEY feel like the outsiders.
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nine-gear crow posted:Guinan is like the most insider character there is. People go to Guinan to get their poo poo straightened out when THEY feel like the outsiders. She's so inside she's outside
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Data is a good, solid outsider archetype, he's the model for every outsider that comes after Odo being torn between wanting to come out of his shell to be with Kira and craving to rejoin the Great Link adds an interesting wrinkle to his characterization, plus he's the only one of the batch who makes the final choice to reject society and return to his enclave The Doctor is just a fun, sardonic guy with the strongest fascination with everyone he's surrounded by, and I think he'd be the most enjoyable one of the bunch to befriend Seven of Nine is the least personable of them, by contrast, but she probably has the most satisfying conclusion to her arc I've only watched like four Enterprise episodes so all I know about T'pol is that she's grouchy and won't touch food with her fingers Honorable mention for Saru, at least the season 1/2 version of him; the idea of a sapient prey creature dealing with its orthogonal instincts in a world of omnivores and carnivores is another interesting way of making an outsider distinct
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FishFood posted:Oh no, is he a creep in real life? Not at all. Weird Trek fans gave invented and canonized head canon in their imaginations that he must have been harassing her nonstop because he made a joke that their characters should have gotten together in the documentary.
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Odo's the best because he has regular humanoid emotions and recognises that he has them, but he's just a dick
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Why are we not counting Spock in this discussion? He’s the archetype for all of those characters. Regardless, the correct answer is Data.
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No Dignity posted:Odo's the best because he has regular humanoid emotions and recognises that he has them, but he's just a dick Riker makes an innocent statement about something and Data rattles off a bunch of surrounding facts and context because he's a big-brain android. Worf makes an innocent complaint about DS9 and Odo rattles off a bunch of security breaches and fuckups aboard the Enterprise because he's been waiting for this moment.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why are we not counting Spock in this discussion? He’s the archetype for all of those characters. Yeah it's Data. I'm not sure that the doc qualifies as an outsider, at least not in the way that the Designated Outsider was. I mean, he used contractions and everything.
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Bogus Adventure posted:She's so inside she's outside Fittingly, she also sleeps on the bare hull outside Ten Forward. Well, it looks like sleep, at least.
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lol i like that Q doesnt even gently caress with guinan awesome touch
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Watched Latent Image last night, which is a fantastic episode of captial S capital T Star Trek. It helps that it's centered around the two best actors on the cast, and they deliver marvelously. Also, really sharp dialogue. It's too bad that Braga interfered with Menosky's final scene like he did. Next up is Bride of Chaotica, and I plan on developing an idiosyncratic opinion on it. Something like "actually it's bad" or the like.
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Worf posted:lol i like that Q doesnt even gently caress with guinan I love that the Q Continuum and the El-Aurians fought each other to a stalemate in some kind of mind war, yet that has no bearing on her and Q’s relationship at all. Q just loving hates Guinan, and that’s it.
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Man with what we saw in First Contact and now in Strange New Worlds I wish we had had a human character put Archer in his place on Enterprise. Earth owes *everything* to the Vulcans. In 2063 the planet was dying. If Archer resents them he can gently caress right off!
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Arglebargle III posted:Man with what we saw in First Contact and now in Strange New Worlds I wish we had had a human character put Archer in his place on Enterprise. I'm pretty sure that loving further off than any human had ever done was his main thing? But I'm pretty sure Enterprise tried to do flawed characters like on Battlestar Galactica, where Archer was just a bit too eager to do all the things now. Enterprise question after just finishing season 3: if we accept the Xindi=Muslims reading, what does that make the Sphere Builders? Because I was getting some uncomfortable Illuminati/nwo/etc vibes... Also the Nazis invade America plot was dumb as poo poo.
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BonHair posted:I'm pretty sure that loving further off than any human had ever done was his main thing? I took the Sphere Builders as a either space Saudi Arabia or space Halliburton. The season ended up being fairly progressive in its messaging for early 2000s “git them terrorists” television, even if for the Xindi kinda turning out to be mostly good guys who were misled by a manipulative power with a ton of resources. The Nazi cliffhanger was very explicitly a gently caress you to the new show runner Manny Coto, who took over in season 4.
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I honestly don’t hate the Nazi two parter because it’s so inherently goofy and I actually like the guy who plays the one Suliban dude teaming up with Archer. It’s also almost worth it for the “what the hell?” moment of P-51s trying to shoot down the Shuttlepod in the cliffhanger.
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I remember when the cliffhanger was leaked by probably-Okuda on TrekBBS and everyone thought it had to be bullshit because it was so stupid lol. I also liked it. And Coto did an entertaining job of wrapping it up.
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Star Trek and Nazis: two not-so-great tastes that apparently want to be tasted together
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