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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah exactly. When everything is valued at tcg mid or whatever it just exacerbates things. I had a coworker who was pretty religious about dumping his draft chaff and did turn it in to a number of cards with actual value but it never seemed worth my time investment. I was always worried about holding the bag with a leftover amount of points and no way to turn them in to something I want at the end of the day, too. That's why I only sent out $1-200 worth of stuff at a time and waited until I got pretty low before sending anything else. So even if the economy died overnight it was only mildly annoying instead of the disaster it would be if I sent out everything. It really was a cool idea for a site but man, did they not manage it well. I'm no economist so I don't really know what they could have done besides give us a sink for points or have a better system where you don't get punished for not sending anything for a while, but I can't help but think it could still be thriving right now. I know I'd still be using it.
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JerryLee posted:Good thing they cut the balls off of tuck effects so that there really is no way to make people's bullshit commanders go away forever, or at least for a significant amount of time. Ixidron, Meddling Mage, Darksteel Mutation, Song of the Dryads, Nevermore, etc. There are still ways of shutting down commanders for awhile.
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JerryLee posted:Good thing they cut the balls off of tuck effects so that there really is no way to make people's bullshit commanders go away forever, or at least for a significant amount of time.
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JerryLee posted:Good thing they cut the balls off of tuck effects so that there really is no way to make people's bullshit commanders go away forever, or at least for a significant amount of time.
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JerryLee posted:Good thing they cut the balls off of tuck effects so that there really is no way to make people's bullshit commanders go away forever, or at least for a significant amount of time. Getting hard countered by a commander sucks, but being able to permanently remove someone's commander in a format where you're supposed to build around them was dumb and probably just pushed people towards playing more generic goodstuff decks and combo decks with a Progenitus parked in the command zone. Also there are a bunch of ways to haze someone's commander, with blue in particular having no shortage. EatinCake posted:I try (often unsuccesfully) to push to play with the tuck rules in place whenever possible. There are just some commanders that are stupid bonkers with it- like the zombie dwarf guy that essentially reads: pay 7 mana, bring back all black & red creatures from all graveyards to play. The ability doesn't tap, so unless there's a player with a counterspell, the deck has that ability for the rest of the game more or less. I'm honestly unclear on the point you're making here. That commander isn't particularly vulnerable to tuck effects since he exiles himself as part of the cost of his ability, he still has to pay the commander tax every time he uses him, and the commander himself isn't that powerful. Y'know, to say nothing of the fact that building your deck around the abilities of your commander is the entire goddamned point of the format. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Jul 5, 2017 19:07
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Commander needs to go the way of Tiny Leaders Didn't they just ban a bunch of blue cantrips today? What a loving lovely format.
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Voyager I posted:Getting hard countered by a commander sucks, but being able to permanently remove someone's commander in a format where you're supposed to build around them was dumb and probably just pushed people towards playing more generic goodstuff decks and combo decks with a Progenitus parked in the command zone. If you can't pack any kind of a backup plan in your 100 card singleton deck you should probably rethink your deck
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Jul 5, 2017 19:14
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80s James Hetfield posted:Commander needs to go the way of Tiny Leaders Why play these types of formats if you do all the powerful things?
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EatinCake posted:I try (often unsuccesfully) to push to play with the tuck rules in place whenever possible. There are just some commanders that are stupid bonkers with it- like the zombie dwarf guy that essentially reads: pay 7 mana, bring back all black & red creatures from all graveyards to play. The ability doesn't tap, so unless there's a player with a counterspell, the deck has that ability for the rest of the game more or less. Balthor the Defiled is quite possibly one of the least powerful commanders I have ever seen so he's probably not really affected all that much by the tuck rules
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Jul 5, 2017 19:19
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Sickening posted:Why play these types of formats if you do all the powerful things? Lol they banned Brainstorm, Preordain and Ponder but not any of the tutors. What a trainwreck format
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80s James Hetfield posted:Lol they banned Brainstorm, Preordain and Ponder but not any of the tutors. What a trainwreck format Those are all still totally legal in EDH.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Commander needs to go the way of Tiny Leaders Where is this? I just tried looking it up and finding nothing about new bans.
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Voyager I posted:
Back when I played EDH like 5 years ago that was what made the format fun. A bunch of goofy and jank poo poo that related to your commander. My first ever deck was Rafiq so I just threw in everything that had exalted even though 90% of it was unplayable poo poo but over the years people just started using commanders for their color and then it was a race to who could crank out their infinite first while never casting their commander and it just became less and less fun as the years went on.
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TheMaestroso posted:Where is this? I just tried looking it up and finding nothing about new bans. I saw something on Reddit this morning
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Jul 5, 2017 19:31
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Maybe they banned them in one of the four different versions of 1v1 commander, which outside of the MTGO one have the same player count as the average Living Card Game, so who cares. The official Commander banned list has no changes.
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Oh, those bans. Those are for the 1v1 Commander variant played only on MTGO. I don't know if anyone gives a poo poo about that format.
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Mtgo 1v1 commander banned vial smasher, ponder, preordain, brainstorm, and treachery and unbanned a bunch of mp cards. http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/162630833904/commander-1v1-banned-update
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So they have an online 1v1 format, online multiplayer and then paper edh with all separate banlists?
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Online mp will use the paper banlist.
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80s James Hetfield posted:So they have an online 1v1 format, online multiplayer and then paper edh with all separate banlists? Multiplayer and 1v1 online have separate ban lists, as far as I know there is no distinction made between online and paper for multiplayer.
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I don't really know why wotc decided to make their own special 1v1 mtgo-only commander with a different banlist in the first place? Was anyone actually clamouring for it? Anyone who actually wanted a more 1v1 oriented ruleset for Commander was probably already playing French Duel EDH anyway.
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TheMaestroso posted:Where is this? I just tried looking it up and finding nothing about new bans. There is nothing on The Wizards page for today, but they announced it on their tumblr, lol
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Cactrot posted:Multiplayer and 1v1 online have separate ban lists, as far as I know there is no distinction made between online and paper for multiplayer. I don't think you can use Sol Ring in multiplayer EDH on MTGO right? But you can use it in the Paper offline version? I had a friend tell me at my LGS that he couldn't use Sol Ring anymore in the MTGO multiplayer rooms but it was legal offline...then in the 1v1 online you can use Emrakul but in multiplayer paper it's banned. The only time I had fun with multiplayer EDH was I think it was called Peasant Commander. You have an Uncommon general, 9 uncommon cards allowed then the rest must be common cards. I had a sweet Blaze Commando deck 80s James Hetfield fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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80s James Hetfield posted:I don't think you can use Sol Ring in multiplayer EDH on MTGO right? But you can use it in the Paper offline version? Nah that's because when Wotc first decided to make their seperate 1v1 mtgo commander format, they initially decided to push its new banlist on online multiplayer commander as well. They changed this because literally everyone hated it.
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ZeroCount posted:I don't really know why wotc decided to make their own special 1v1 mtgo-only commander with a different banlist in the first place? Was anyone actually clamouring for it? Anyone who actually wanted a more 1v1 oriented ruleset for Commander was probably already playing French Duel EDH anyway. They have the development bandwidth for like one decent feature a quarter and adding new event types ups revenue. Really it's only maintaining one more format definition so it ought to have been a reasonably large bang for the buck effort thing. That's probably 80% of it and diehard EDH fans the rest.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If you can't pack any kind of a backup plan in your 100 card singleton deck you should probably rethink your deck Your deck should be built around the assumption that bad things can happen to your commander, but getting your commander Imprisoned in the Moon leaves a lot more room for interaction than having him shuffled into 85 cards. 80s James Hetfield posted:I don't think you can use Sol Ring in multiplayer EDH on MTGO right? But you can use it in the Paper offline version? 1v1 and Multiplayer are functionally different formats and should have different ban lists.
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OgreNoah posted:Merfolk doesn't work well in EDH. I tried it once with white Sygg. One of my friends played Elesh Norn just once and the game was over for me. Nothing I could play would survive. Spicy as gently caress tech for this: Gather Specimens. Actually, Gather Specimens is spicy in lots of situations.
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Elyv posted:Also the multiplayer banned list is loving awful And the duel ban list. Lol at banning the cantrips when Vamp, DT, and Mystical Tutor are still legal. Like, 90% of the games I've played nobody even cast a cantrip, and when they did it really didn't matter because 100 card singleton but every EOT Vamp, Mystical, or Enlightened Tutor has ended the game immediately. I really don't know how anyone can think WotC has any idea how to make a format at this point.
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suicidesteve posted:And the duel ban list. Lol at banning the cantrips when Vamp, DT, and Mystical Tutor are still legal. Like, 90% of the games I've played nobody even cast a cantrip, and when they did it really didn't matter because 100 card singleton but every EOT Vamp, Mystical, or Enlightened Tutor has ended the game immediately. To be completely fair, wotc has only just started banning, although they probably should have started more aggressively. The Rules Committee product is basically finished.
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Zemyla posted:Spicy as gently caress tech for this: Gather Specimens. Can confirm its spiciness. I won the very first game of EDH I ever played off of that card in response to an infinite token loop.
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I play Baral, can confirm that without Vial Smasher something needed to be done about me, and taking my brainstorm hurts but I understand it had to be done. Also I'm doing the most busted things in the format with mystical tutor and it's just polymorph tutoring with a spare island.
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I am still utterly baffled that MTGO isn't just using the Duel Commander rules and banlist. What is the purpose of making their own when that one has been tested extensively and had several tournaments to aggregate statistics with?
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The Shortest Path posted:I am still utterly baffled that MTGO isn't just using the Duel Commander rules and banlist. What is the purpose of making their own when that one has been tested extensively and had several tournaments to aggregate statistics with? Wizards of the Coast isn't very good at this.
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The Shortest Path posted:I am still utterly baffled that MTGO isn't just using the Duel Commander rules and banlist. What is the purpose of making their own when that one has been tested extensively and had several tournaments to aggregate statistics with? I think wotc is moving towards making duel Commander an occasional GP format and therefore want a banned list that they control. Probably should have started with the French list rather than the RC, but it's wotc so they're going to do it in a clumsy and awkward way
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Oh baby Painter's Servant is unbanned. Time to play Jaya Ballard, the bestest red blue mage.
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The Shortest Path posted:I am still utterly baffled that MTGO isn't just using the Duel Commander rules and banlist. What is the purpose of making their own when that one has been tested extensively and had several tournaments to aggregate statistics with? Their ban philosophy is rather trigger-happy. And by rather I mean extremely. Sufficiently  on MTGS and they'll ban your bad matchup. They also strive to find some probably-mythical balance between combo/control/aggro and all five colors but favor banning commanders, and the current result is that aggro is on top, and who knows what the metagame will look like in August when they ban Reyhan, Bruse, Zurgo, and Geist. The MTGO results are a lot more data for modomander in its few months than Duel Commander has in the same time frame, really.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Their ban philosophy is rather trigger-happy. And by rather I mean extremely. Sufficiently Sure, but it still would have been a much better starting point than the multiplayer list, and then they could extrapolate based on MTGO data from that point instead of taking ~a year to realize that they need to ban vintage tutors. Also the Duel metagame has been really stable and not particularly aggro-heavy for the past ~3 months, I'm optimistic that they won't need to ban anything. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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