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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why yes, that clears it all up. epic this. probably the best part of java compared to any other language is its documentation. the only bad part about it is when you get too tangled up in the FactoryFactoryFactoryFormatSpecifier and even then you probably missed some static convenience method that does exactly what you were trying to accomplish.
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If ur reading the javadocs for a factoryfactory either you missed the easy way or the library is poo poo (it's both)
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tef posted:your attachment to the code you write will bring you suffering. buddhism out of nowhere
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tef posted:your attachment to the code you write will bring you suffering.
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rotor posted:im just sayin that perfect code is not its own reward I disagree, I make art for art's sake.
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that don't put bread on the table tho i mean i'm sure some liberal farts  fucker is working on it now but nobody goes to an exhibition to admire beautiful code, sit the gently caress down, shove your lovely layer-breaking XXX FIXME hardcoded specialcasehaving copy-pasted train wreck out the door like the rest of us
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I actually write code for ops' sake. Mostly this involves writing clear simple code, and results in my getting respect from people I don't despise.
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Mr Dog posted:that don't put bread on the table tho
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Zombywuf posted:I disagree, I make art for art's sake. i make farts for farts' sake.
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homercles posted:there is an e/n story behind this post, please share it here. right here. bend over grab your knees take an almighty breath and with a great heave please share it in this thread I worked in industry once and I had to work on a big Win32 server project that was a three-way trainwreck of Boost fanatic C++, Microsoft style C++, and let's-pretend-it's-Java C++. It had lots of plugins and there was also lots and lots of XML. It was somewhat strait-jacketed by a very rigid framework written by another team that had long since disowned it, and it was pretty bad in general, but nothing particularly soul crushing. Maybe the bit where they later added composable lambdas to Excel's expression language and allowed those composed lambdas to be compiled and executed externally within this server framework was somewhat outstandingly awful but that's about it w,tmss
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Mr Dog posted:Maybe the bit where they later added composable lambdas to Excel's expression language and allowed those composed lambdas to be compiled and executed externally within this server framework was somewhat outstandingly awful but that's about it Now that sounds like art for art's sake.
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Give spergs a boring problem and they'll add complexity to it until it becomes an interesting one. and if by "art for art's sake" you mean "masturbatory exercise in which it is incredibly painful to do anything more complicated than apply Pythagoras' Theorem", then yes. I believe they attached semantics to certain cell background colours when they discovered that diff-merging a two-dimensional grid of expressions is actually kind of hard Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 3, 2012 |
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Zombywuf posted:I disagree, I make art for art's sake. l'code pour l'code
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Mr Dog posted:I believe they attached semantics to certain cell background colours when they discovered that diff-merging a two-dimensional grid of expressions is actually kind of hard I want to see screenshots of this now.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:what the gently caress is "mode"? where is it defined? I'm learning some django right now for a class project and it is so opaque it's ridiculous. The single-line miracle commands have all these caveats and weird edge cases that make it so that you have to tear apart the declarative syntax (which you can only do in specific locations). The worst thing was that in some pages of their docs (which read like an insane wiki) they tell you to put single quotes around your url aliases, because they switched to using quotes a few versions ago, but... when I use the quotes it doesn't work?? Their sample code mixes the two together and the error messages don't point you in the right path. Probably after just a few weeks it'll all become second nature, but I was under the impression this was a professional tool and there's all these little holes. Shameproof fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 3, 2012 |
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Dec 3, 2012 18:38
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don't use django
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you know what our dumb gay blog website framework needs? metaclasses. that's a thing we should use, in our dumb gay blog website framework.
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yea for real, I'm really thinking hard about how big a project would have to be before it could be worth using this vs plain old LAMP. was it good at some point?
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if you want to use python for the web, use flask
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Jerry SanDisky posted:if you want to use python for the web, use flask
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I actually don't have a choice about this but thanx What's the best framework for a single-man-month project? Language/IDE doesn't matter.
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Shameproof posted:I actually don't have a choice about this but thanx the best framework is the one where you figure out what problem you're trying to solve first before firing up the ol' editor and jamming poo poo into it
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the best framework is one where you make a todo app. atm i'm wondering if it's a good idea to send a thank you/follow-up email regarding the interview i had on friday or just to let everything simmer until i hopefully hear back.
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gucci void main posted:the best framework is one where you make a todo app. yes, send a follow-up email a handful of hours after the interview
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how many fingers do u have/??
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gucci void main posted:the best framework is one where you make a todo app. they're not going to forget you exist. just be patient
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Jerry SanDisky posted:if you want to use python for the web, use flask oooh i hadn't heard of this. looks p cool
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WHOIS John Galt posted:the best framework is the one where you figure out what problem you're trying to solve first before firing up the ol' editor and jamming poo poo into it OK sensei. I just want to make an automated version of (WARNING Games Link) this dumb fundraiser thing I did, only with books instead of video games. So just a database, user registration, little bloggies. No user uploads or big files or any kind of technological marvels.
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Jonnty posted:they're not going to forget you exist. just be patient yes they will
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Django is hella crazy and weird. I say this as someone who is a baby with no prior framework experience. I mean, just today I was reading some of the app code here and then there was a bunch of SQL queries inside a view and I don't even know what the hell
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Shameproof posted:OK sensei. flask is fine for this, it has extensions for sqlalchemy so yeah http://packages.python.org/Flask-SQLAlchemy/
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Jonnty posted:they're not going to forget you exist. just be patient this is mostly what i was thinking based on the situation. it's a pretty small company and it didn't appear as if they were meeting with a lot of people. Symbolic Butt posted:Django is hella crazy and weird. I say this as someone who is a baby with no prior framework experience. i like a few more things in rails than django based on what i've seen of each. the one thing about django i really liked was having certain things like slugs built in, but there are gems out there which solve that issue. rails routing is kind of driving me nuts but i'm still not really used to it (and i could be much better with ruby in general).
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django is really simple and the admin view can take away a ton of boilerplate you might need if you do the flask+sqlalchemy route but it's w/e really. django isn't complex; it just has a rigid structure
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gucci void main posted:this is mostly what i was thinking based on the situation. it's a pretty small company and it didn't appear as if they were meeting with a lot of people. yep. if they forget you then one or both of these are true a) they don't want you b) you don't want them
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Shameproof posted:I actually don't have a choice about this but thanx java or c#
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i dont think ive ever used a "framework" that described itself as such
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thats cause they're frameworks which is antithetical to the google mindset.
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Shaggar posted:java or c# shaggar is ASP.NET good enough now? cuz if not i think you might just be shaggin
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mvc 3/4 is ok but its still a web thing so its not great. i've been meaning to checkout zk since its mvvm but i havent had the time.
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Shaggar posted:java or c# is java a linux? this is important
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