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Well I finally got it, but I think it took a solid two, two and a half hours of just grinding to get it, running away from any fight that didn't have a Holly Fairy in it, which is pretty awful. If I were playing this game without any kind of guide, I might not even believe the Nameless Urn existed.
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I've recently come into access of all the .hack games (both series). Are they worth playing at all? I don't really mind the episodic nature of it so long as the gameplay is alright and doesn't come across as too much of a slog.
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May 6, 2014 04:59
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You're probably better off just selling them off for some really quick cash if you can. The first series is just a boring slog that apparently only gets worst as the series goes on(I only made it though 1/2-2/3rds of the first game, and was pretty bored with it by then). GU, on the other hand, is a little more action-based with it combat, but it just can't hold out for those 3 games(and should have really been condensed into 1 game), and the last game is just a gigantic pile of dumb, anger-inducing sequences that makes you wonder how in the hell CC manages to exist as a company, both in-game and in the real world.
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May 6, 2014 05:10
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CVagts posted:It's probably not exactly that, because Suikoden's drop system only lets you get one drop per battle, so if you fight three Holly Fairies and one Creeper, and the Creeper's item drops, that prevents you from getting any other items in that battle. I don't know what determines what drop you get from which enemy, though. Really? I swear I've gotten more than one drop per encounter.
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May 6, 2014 05:15
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Dross posted:What are some good PSX RPGs, not available on PSN as PSOne Classics, that have no real-time battle mechanics at all? (i.e. exclusively menu-driven battles) The Arc the Lad series is pretty good if you want another SRPG. The first one if a little rough around the edges and plays a bit like Shining Force in that the battles are taking place on maps that you are actively moving across between destinations. Arc the Lad 2 is really good though.
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May 6, 2014 07:04
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Arc the Lad's biggest problem is that it is so loving slow and the EXP gain mechanics (especially in the first game) are pretty awful.
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May 6, 2014 07:11
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The first game is kinda trivial to solo with any of the meatier characters, especially Tosh. But the second just plods on and on forever and then suddenly the final dungeon is 20-30 levels higher than anything else in the game. And equipment upgrading is random and stupid so it's easy to be way behind there, too.
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May 6, 2014 08:27
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7th Dragon is a game that makes me very happy my flashcart lets me run cheats. God, the entire Bloom mechanic is a miserable exercise. The game itself is pretty fun now that I've nullified that horseshit, though! Sort of feels like a weird alternate-universe Etrian Odyssey game.
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May 6, 2014 08:52
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ImpAtom posted:Arc the Lad's biggest problem is that it is so loving slow and the EXP gain mechanics (especially in the first game) are pretty awful. It's probably been ten years since I beat Arc the Lad 1, but I don't remember having any trouble with it. dis astranagant posted:The first game is kinda trivial to solo with any of the meatier characters, especially Tosh. But the second just plods on and on forever and then suddenly the final dungeon is 20-30 levels higher than anything else in the game. And equipment upgrading is random and stupid so it's easy to be way behind there, too. I never actually finished Arc II, so this could all be true. I enjoyed playing what I did. A lot of that random bullshit with enemies suddenly being drastically more powerful I chalk up to the era the game was released. Sort of related, I wish the 3DS would get some more SRPGs in general though. Ghost Recon was pretty good, and of course there's Fire Emblem, but there really hasn't been anything else good that I'm aware of. Maybe we'll get another Final Fantasy Tactics or Devil Survivor 2 will finally get a 3DS port. The genre seems perfectly suited to the DS and 3DS and the DS got a bunch of really great games during its life, but the 3DS hasn't yet. There have been a lot of really great JRPGs for it though. Hopefully Atlus keeps cranking out great stuff.
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May 6, 2014 09:04
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Atlas Hugged posted:It's probably been ten years since I beat Arc the Lad 1, but I don't remember having any trouble with it. It isn't hard. It's just that the way EXP gains work is eighted towards the high-damage classes. Arc and Shu can probably solo the game on their own but getting your little bard guy going if he gets even a little behind is annoying. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 09:35 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 09:22
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Arc the Lad 2 was great when the party was split and the way it brought them together was the most memorable part of the game. Then it just kind of plods along to a Tosh- and Robot-fuelled rampage.
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May 6, 2014 09:25
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ImpAtom posted:It isn't hard. It's just that the way EXP games exist are weighted towards the high-damage classes. Arc and Shu can probably solo the game on their own but getting your little bard guy going if he gets even a little behind is annoying. This is true. You basically have to force the weaker characters to level, they're not going to do it naturally thanks to the heavy weight on killing blows.
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May 6, 2014 09:26
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And let's not forget that if you played the first game the entire cast of the second will be miles behind the cast of the first when you get them.
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May 6, 2014 09:43
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dis astranagant posted:And let's not forget that if you played the first game the entire cast of the second will be miles behind the cast of the first when you get them. I've always loved this just because you're like... level 10-15 at the point where you first see the AtL1 cast in AtL2 and suddenly they just wander in as a bunch of badasses and crush everything in two hits or less. Pretty sure even without import data they're level 30-40.
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May 6, 2014 09:48
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Syrg Sapphire posted:7th Dragon is a game that makes me very happy my flashcart lets me run cheats. God, the entire Bloom mechanic is a miserable exercise. One of the patches (the one labelled USA, I believe) reduces the bloom effect by like 60%. You can also enter a character name that gives you items that nullify bloom as well. It's all in the Readme for the patch. I was just about to get started myself and I was wondering which route to take but given your reaction, I think I'll go with the easier patch.
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May 6, 2014 11:38
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Yeah, I went in going "Man, hell with that, I'll play it like it was developed, it's not supposed to be EO-hard even in the original form" but I did not realize that this scale basically relied on "...if you constantly enter and leave areas, clearing out Bloom as you go, and putting a lot of points into the field skill that lowers field damage". Bloom aside, the original level game doesn't bug me. Bloom aside.
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May 6, 2014 11:56
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That's exactly where I got with the game, but it also feels like it's missing a lot of QOL stuff that came in with the 3DS and Etrian Odyssey. It'd be interesting to see how the sequel/spinoff mixed things up, I should probably grab it at some point.
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May 6, 2014 13:04
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tenderjerk posted:I've recently come into access of all the .hack games (both series). Are they worth playing at all? I don't really mind the episodic nature of it so long as the gameplay is alright and doesn't come across as too much of a slog. I'd at least give the first game a shot, but would probably agree with the guy that said to sell them (even though I love the series to death). The first couple games are only like 15 hours a piece if you go out of your way to do most things so it's not a terrible time investment to just see if you enjoy it. Just keep in mind that the latter games in the original series all play mostly the same so if you don't like it after hour 5 you're not going to like it going into the final game, especially since the last game has the most tedious fetch quest I've seen that adds something like 10 hours to the clock. ... Speaking of tedious and Arc the Lad, the final boss of the second game was so plodding that I never bothered to load up the third game. Was it any good?
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May 6, 2014 14:14
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Phantasium posted:I'd at least give the first game a shot, but would probably agree with the guy that said to sell them (even though I love the series to death). The third game feels remarkably different and focuses on the Hunter side of things a few years after 2. I enjoyed it for what it was; it was a bit more balanced than 2 but more repetitive. Definitely an acquired taste. Some characters from 2 show up as temp party members so that's kinda cool.
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May 6, 2014 14:19
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Phantasium posted:Speaking of tedious and Arc the Lad, the final boss of the second game was so plodding that I never bothered to load up the third game. Was it any good? No. It was high school kids go exploring: the game. The PS2 one owned though.
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May 6, 2014 14:20
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Not to mention how ridiculously easy it is, since you have tons of powerful attacks with huge aoes, some of which are your basic weapon attacks.
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May 6, 2014 14:31
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Stelas posted:No. It was high school kids go exploring: the game. The PS2 one owned though. Weren't there two PS2 Arc games? Twilight of the Spirits and End of Darkness.
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May 6, 2014 14:46
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CVagts posted:Weren't there two PS2 Arc games? Twilight of the Spirits and End of Darkness. Twilight of the Spirits was an actual plot-sequel and End of Darkness technically was but was actually this weird lovely card-focused game.
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May 6, 2014 14:48
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Twilight of the Spirits was pretty good, the story is a bit bunker but what can you expect of an jrpg.
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May 6, 2014 15:05
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The only thing I remember about Arc the Lad for PS2 was that one of them had a final boss who lasted like an hour.
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May 6, 2014 15:20
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Barudak posted:The only thing I remember about Arc the Lad for PS2 was that one of them had a final boss who lasted like an hour. I bought it on a whim years ago and wound up mostly liking it, as far as I can remember.
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May 6, 2014 15:22
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Nate RFB posted:Twilight of the Spirits? More like 2 hours. It was pretty ridiculous. Yeah Twilight of the Spirits. It just wouldn't end. My friend showed it off to me because it was so ridiculous.
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May 6, 2014 15:23
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What's a good RPG that I can play in 10-30 minute chunks without getting lost in the story/gameplay mechanics. PC or PS3. Anime tolerability index is Valkyria Chronicles.
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May 6, 2014 15:24
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This Jacket Is Me posted:What's a good RPG that I can play in 10-30 minute chunks without getting lost in the story/gameplay mechanics. PC or PS3. Anime tolerability index is Valkyria Chronicles. It seems like you're in the market for a RPG like Peace Walker, and I wish that existed. The Vita might have something.
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May 6, 2014 15:37
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Phantasium posted:Speaking of tedious and Arc the Lad, the final boss of the second game was so plodding that I never bothered to load up the third game. Was it any good?
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May 6, 2014 16:45
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tenderjerk posted:I've recently come into access of all the .hack games (both series). Are they worth playing at all? I don't really mind the episodic nature of it so long as the gameplay is alright and doesn't come across as too much of a slog. I like both series a lot despite some dumb plot elements and the general grindiness of the first. The fake-internet and fake-forums are just cool, and I actually enjoyed the overarching plot of the first game and some parts of the second game. Honestly, just give the first game in each series a try. If you don't enjoy it by the first game, you probably won't enjoy the later ones, so you can easily judge from that.
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May 6, 2014 17:18
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Bleusilences posted:Twilight of the Spirits was pretty good, the story is a bit bunker but what can you expect of an jrpg. And then the other half is focused on the most whitebread generic RPG protagonists imaginable.
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May 6, 2014 18:17
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Barudak posted:The only thing I remember about Arc the Lad for PS2 was that one of them had a final boss who lasted like an hour.
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May 6, 2014 19:13
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The Arc The Lad games are great because Poco is in it.
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May 7, 2014 07:50
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Honestly, the first two really have the rest beat for a fun cast. III kinda works but all the characters you liked are now brief cameos and you're stuck with Annoying Teen Protagonist.
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May 7, 2014 08:00
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Syrg Sapphire posted:Honestly, the first two really have the rest beat for a fun cast. III kinda works but all the characters you liked are now brief cameos and you're stuck with Annoying Teen Protagonist. It's been years since I've played it but I don't recall Alec being all that annoying. Though in comparison I suppose Arc and Elk were both adults, which is rare for JRPGs. Plus III has Valhart. He was pretty boss.
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May 7, 2014 13:05
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Levantine posted:It's been years since I've played it but I don't recall Alec being all that annoying. Though in comparison I suppose Arc and Elk were both adults, which is rare for JRPGs. Plus III has Valhart. He was pretty boss. I can't remember the exact timeskip between Arc 1 and Arc II but Arc himself is around 16 in the first game. Elc is 14-15 years old in Arc II. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 13:15 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 13:07
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Rascyc posted:The only thing I remember was some raddish or turnip turning into a 'sexy' raddish or turnip near the end of the game What the...? I'm pretty sure I beat that game and I have no memory of this.
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May 7, 2014 13:21
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Lotish posted:What the...? I'm pretty sure I beat that game and I have no memory of this. There is an old and withered plant-woman monster who joins your party. Later on she turns (or returns) into a young plant woman monster instead. She goes from  to 
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May 7, 2014 13:23
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Haha, that hag radish is awesome. But Japanese game companies have a hard time leaving anything un-sexified.
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