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Call Me Charlie posted:I don't know. To me, it didn't seem like there was any malice underneath or any front put up. He was what he was the entire time. It was a guy who was suppose to be a stone cold killer who was the top of nazi mountain and he came across more like an inconvenienced grandpa... That was part of the point, it sounds like it just didn't work for you. I thought he was fantastic.
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I thought he was the best part of the movie. The rest of it seemed pretty generic and I would have given up before the end, but kept watching because of his acting and because I liked that the evil mastermind was just trying to fix the things his idiot henchmen did and irritated by the whole situation.
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The fact that Stewart's character treated the whole situation like a parent who found out that their kids had a party at the house while they were on vacation is definitely a positive, not a negative. Its a tribute to Stewart as an actor that he didn't try to ham it up and play an over the top Super Evil Nazi. A lot of actors in his position wouldn't have had the balls to go as low-key as he did.
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Guy Mann posted:Both endings are pretty bad but neither holds a candle to a terrible piece of fanfiction that people for some reason circulated as the unfilmed, original ending where after Robert Neville sacrifices himself the camera pans over and reveals that the woman and her child are actually mannequins and the whole final act was a hallucination. The end, no moral Well I'm glad a fake internet rumor was a fake internet rumor, though I'm not sure why you brought it up. In the original cut of Orson Welles' The Magnificent Ambersons Aeris is revived onscreen
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Basebf555 posted:The fact that Stewart's character treated the whole situation like a parent who found out that their kids had a party at the house while they were on vacation is definitely a positive, not a negative. Its a tribute to Stewart as an actor that he didn't try to ham it up and play an over the top Super Evil Nazi. A lot of actors in his position wouldn't have had the balls to go as low-key as he did. I think Macon Blair deserves more credit for his role. His character is objectively in the worst position, fearing death from all sides, and he handles it very well.
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Franchescanado posted:I think Macon Blair deserves more credit for his role. His character is objectively in the worst position, fearing death from all sides, and he handles it very well. He's a real find.
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Basebf555 posted:The fact that Stewart's character treated the whole situation like a parent who found out that their kids had a party at the house while they were on vacation is definitely a positive, not a negative. Its a tribute to Stewart as an actor that he didn't try to ham it up and play an over the top Super Evil Nazi. A lot of actors in his position wouldn't have had the balls to go as low-key as he did. I agree. Pitch perfect analysis. Franchescanado posted:I think Macon Blair deserves more credit for his role. His character is objectively in the worst position, fearing death from all sides, and he handles it very well. I also agree with this. I hope he breaks out.
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Call Me Charlie posted:Plus some of the dialog sounded ridiculous coming from him "friend of the family dope" Especially since Patrick Stewart's character is obviously some kind of respected member of the larger community (he drove up in an emergency response van - the kind you use to pick up mentally ill and sick or drunk homeless people and the like, so the implication would be that he's seen as someone who does good and charitable work for the community) him rolling in and still not being anything like those below him was perfect.
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Basebf555 posted:The fact that Stewart's character treated the whole situation like a parent who found out that their kids had a party at the house while they were on vacation is definitely a positive, not a negative. Its a tribute to Stewart as an actor that he didn't try to ham it up and play an over the top Super Evil Nazi. A lot of actors in his position wouldn't have had the balls to go as low-key as he did. I wasn't expecting Super Evil Nazi, just someone more ominous. There's sections of the movie that don't really work because he's flat the entire time the aforementioned ending, the part where he loses his cool and slams the guy into the wall, the part where he finds the baseball bat. None of that resonated with me. (And it really makes me want to read the script to see how the character comes across on paper)
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Patrick Stewart's character seems exhausted that his empire is devoid of any real movement or meaning, it's built on the backs of imbeciles that are either tired of this poo poo and leaving or so implosive and uncontrollable that they're killing each other, and no one on any level seems to know what to do, how to handle it, and the most-likely successor (Macon Blair) is confused and scared and doesn't want to be involved. He's got plenty of people and muscle, but they'd rather get drunk, bang their heads to punk music, and scream/threaten anyone who is not an obvious skin-head. It's telling that Pat Stewart, when confronted by two youths who's destroyed most of his "empire" pretty easily (within a few hours) by sheer will power and luck, turns around and starts to run, despite having a handgun within reach. He takes quite a few steps before taking the gun out, but by then, just like any other man, he's taken out by a few bullets. You can argue that he was trying to be sneaky about having the gun, but consider: he's already caught off-guard, he's already hosed, but he'd rather flee and try to be sneaky about attacking than just outright reaching for the gun. He also wears a few different faces. To Macon Blair's character, he is a soft-spoken mentor. To his goons he's a loud confident leader, the man with the plan. To the band, he's a negotiator, a team-player, he's on their side. He's a manipulator, and plays his part however he thinks will let him get out of this annoying stupid situation he shouldn't even be worrying about, but gently caress THESE GUYS ARE DUMB.
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Basebf555 posted:The fact that Stewart's character treated the whole situation like a parent who found out that their kids had a party at the house while they were on vacation is definitely a positive, not a negative. Its a tribute to Stewart as an actor that he didn't try to ham it up and play an over the top Super Evil Nazi. A lot of actors in his position wouldn't have had the balls to go as low-key as he did. There's an interview with him where he says Saulnier telling him to bring it down was really surprising because he's so used to the opposite.
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I found the script and I was wrong. quote:Two POLICE OFFICERS emerge from the cruisers as a SPRINTER TRUCK enters the lot and pulls up beside the Band’s conversion van. the ending posted:Then Darcy, dusting away BOOT TRACKS with the push broom, away from CLARK’S TRUCK: The charisma or sags with despair parts didn't translate to screen either and the part where Darcy loses his cool must have been added in a later draft. Still an interesting movie worth a watch. (And the screenplay is also interesting since it also has a decent amount of stuff that was cut) Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Can you include a link to the screenplay? I'd be curious to check it out.
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Hubbardologist posted:Can you include a link to the screenplay? I'd be curious to check it out. Same
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Hubbardologist posted:Can you include a link to the screenplay? I'd be curious to check it out. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B15GFukr2e6ydmFQSHFTc0x4THc (not my link, found it on reddit)
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Hubbardologist posted:Yo is anyone else watching this new Hulu show, Chance? Hugh Laurie plays a somewhat anti-social doctor, whose life is somewhat of a mess. Aside from that and some similar cinematic decisions it's almost completely nothing like House. I'm really enjoying it. I know this is from forever ago but I love this show it is good, this week's episode especially
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Call Me Charlie posted:https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B15GFukr2e6ydmFQSHFTc0x4THc (not my link, found it on reddit) Awesome thanks! black.lion posted:I know this is from forever ago but I love this show it is good, this week's episode especially And thanks for reminding me to catch up on this -- I've been getting my Hugh Laurie fix with The Night Manager lately, which is up on Prime.
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I felt like the first episode of Chance was pretty boring, but if it picks up then I'm glad because I have a mega mancrush on Hugh Laurie. And because of the other talk this page, I'm imagining Hugh Laurie instead of Patrick Stewart in Green Room and... it would have been just as good, maybe even better.
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re Green Room: I want to know what you have to do to get the red shoelaces. Also, I enjoyed that the first song in the band's set was "Nazi Punks gently caress Off" and the Nazi Punks were torn between being pissed and rocking out. I rather liked the fact that there's a whole clear cut standard operating procedure for Disposing of the Unfortunate Losers Who Saw Too Much, and it's probably been used a few times. It was kind of chilling.
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Basebf555 posted:The fact that Stewart's character treated the whole situation like a parent who found out that their kids had a party at the house while they were on vacation is definitely a positive, not a negative. Its a tribute to Stewart as an actor that he didn't try to ham it up and play an over the top Super Evil Nazi. A lot of actors in his position wouldn't have had the balls to go as low-key as he did. How is this a tribute to Stewart and not like solely the writers/director? Genuinely asking because I have no idea how actors act and get to put their spin on it vs playing the parts written for them in the way the ones who are in control of the overall control of the movie want.
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Zwabu posted:re Green Room: In Reality, all red laces mean is "I'm a racist".
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Apparently you earn red laces in Neo-Nazi gangs when you've "shed blood" for them. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/racist-skinhead-glossary
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rngd in the womb posted:Apparently you earn red laces in Neo-Nazi gangs when you've "shed blood" for them. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/racist-skinhead-glossary This reads like one of those urban legends about gang members flashing their headlights at you.
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Einsatzgruppen: The Nazi Death Squads is a good watch. Grim obviously, but it does the whole documentary thing well instead of trying to be gimmicky as seems to be the trend these days.
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veni veni veni posted:This reads like one of those urban legends about gang members flashing their headlights at you. SPLC tends to know their poo poo on hate groups.
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Yeah that's why it is weird. Not that I'm an expert on skinheads, but most of that terminology seems like it was derived from water cooler talk not reality.
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Alt-left hot take: As we learned from Trump's "grab the pussy" joke, "water cooler talk" is just a mask of reality.
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the black boots/red laces thing goes way way back, I remember that being a neonazi signifier in the '90s (which is, I'm pretty sure, when first drafts of Green Room were written)
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Basically half of everything on the list is stuff is stuff I heard when I was into punk in high school and believed at the time then assumed was bullshit later. Not that I think there is zero truth to it and obviously the laces thing is real. Not that I ever met a neo nazi but according to everyone I knew apparently they were some sort of huge problem in the 90s lol. It's just weird that's it's a list of stuff to look out for with stuff like "curb checking as popularized by American history x" What does that even mean? It's a thing that happened in a movie. The whole thing just reads like a lot of the neo nazi boogeyman stuff that was floating around back then. K. Waste posted:Alt-left hot take: As we learned from Trump's "grab the pussy" joke, "water cooler talk" is just a mask of reality. Not that is even necessarily true in regards to trump, I won't get into that, but I'm not taking about people bragging I'm saying it's the equivalent of "didn't you hear, gangs drive around with their headlights off and when you flash yours at them they kill you" talk. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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veni veni veni posted:Yeah basically half of everything on the list is stuff is stuff I heard when I was into punk in high school and believed at the time then assumed was bullshit later. Not that I think there is zero truth to it and obviously the laces thing is real. Not that I ever met a neo nazi but according to everyone I knew apparently they were some sort of huge problem in the 90s lol. within the punk scene at least, yeah they were definitely a much bigger thing in the '90s. the way they talk about them to mohawk kid when they first get the show offer is very much a conversation from that era as opposed to this one.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:How is this a tribute to Stewart and not like solely the writers/director? Genuinely asking because I have no idea how actors act and get to put their spin on it vs playing the parts written for them in the way the ones who are in control of the overall control of the movie want. It just comes down to who has the leverage in a given situation. At this point in his career, Patrick Stewart isn't going to do anything he doesn't want to do. Of course its usually a collaborative process, but in the end Stewart is the one who decides what he will and won't do in a performance, at least if we're talking about a low budget movie like Green Room.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:within the punk scene at least, yeah they were definitely a much bigger thing in the '90s. the way they talk about them to mohawk kid when they first get the show offer is very much a conversation from that era as opposed to this one. Definitely.
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Finally watched Green Room, it's a gem. I'm really going to miss Anton Yelchin.
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Basebf555 posted:It just comes down to who has the leverage in a given situation. At this point in his career, Patrick Stewart isn't going to do anything he doesn't want to do. Of course its usually a collaborative process, but in the end Stewart is the one who decides what he will and won't do in a performance, at least if we're talking about a low budget movie like Green Room. Interesting! Related to this, do you, or anyone, have any specific examples of actors with a lot of clout lobbying and succeeding/failing to put a certain spin on a role? I know it's definitely got its limitations because it's ultimately left up to the director or whoever, but I'd be interested to know of any movies where there's been talk an actor wanted to play it one way and the director another and how that worked out.
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I remember reading that Johnny Depp had his Jack Sparrow more or less fully formed when he auditioned and told them he was doing it that way or they could gently caress off.
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Came to recommend Room on Amazon. It's quite depressing but worth it for the acting from the two main characters. Especially the child.
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I met a lot of SHARPS and Actual Racist Skinheads in the 90s and seriously "red laces, black boots" just meant you were racist. Red and white laces for Boneheads, Purple laces for gay SHARPS, black laces for regular "I'm not racist" SHARPs, green laces for "I'm really into the environment" SHARPs, etc. At one point there were a lot of people very concerned about shoelaces.
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Tainen posted:Came to recommend Room on Amazon. It's quite depressing but worth it for the acting from the two main characters. Especially the child. Room is really good and Brie Larson earned every bit of praise she got when it came out.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:Interesting! Not quite a spin on the role but Frank Sinatra had a huge reputation for doing everything in one take, whether it was cutting a track or filming a scene. While filming The Manchurian Candidate they shoot Frank's big scene but they notice too late that the shot is slightly out of focus. Reportedly the color drained from Frankheimer's face and he sheepishly asked Frank if he could re-shoot the the scene. Frank smiles and explains that it's not that he wouldn't do something in multiple takes it's just that the first is always the best. He then proceeds to half rear end the scene for the next 12 takes until they give up and Frankenheimer uses the original shot. Turns out it being out of focus actually works very well for the scene and Frankenheimer gets credit for 'such a daring idea'.
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