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site posted:Well when you transform into a huge door its kinda hard to do stuff like that I'm sure Karnak could sort that out.
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Champions aside, I thought the Marvel stuff I bought this week was all great. Bullseye is off to an interesting start.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:53
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So it seems like replacing my Champions subscription with a Wasp subscription would be a pretty good move, right?
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Feb 2, 2017 02:59
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wasp is really really good so far and champions really really is not
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Feb 2, 2017 02:59
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Viridiant posted:So it seems like replacing my Champions subscription with a Wasp subscription would be a pretty good move, right? extremely good move imo
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Manatee Cannon posted:someone should have mentioned that to the people behind death of x That's the big issue. I feel like no matter what head office has in mind, the writers sometimes like or dislike a character way too much to actually go along with the plan. Someone says "Make Cyclops go full evil" and the Death of X writers just make him heroically sacrifice himself. Someone says "Make Iron Man and Captain America equally wrong about registration" and JMS and Dan Slott flip their lid and turn Tony Stark into Triple Hitler. Editorial hasn't been doing their job for over a decade so this kind of thing just keeps happening.
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Feb 2, 2017 03:04
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I'm replacing Champions with Wasp myself.
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Viridiant posted:So it seems like replacing my Champions subscription with a Wasp subscription would be a pretty good move, right? Indeed. Manatee Cannon posted:wasp is really really good so far and champions really really is not And yet Marvel is so intent on Champions being a hit that they are overshipping every goddamned issue to artificially pump up their sales.
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Feb 2, 2017 03:05
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Rhyno posted:Indeed. Are they making you pay for it or are they at least making it returnable like dc was doing with rebirth stuff (or at least i think you said they were??)
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Feb 2, 2017 03:14
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Rhyno posted:I'm sure Karnak could sort that out. Finally, another Karnak/Eldrak shipper.
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 PEOPLE DIE WHEN GENOCIDE HAPPENS Cyclops didn't cause a genocide, he tried to prevent one. You know, they could have just made it so that the terrigen cloud prevented the x-gene from activating. That would have put the mutants and inhumans on even footing. Cyclops could have gotten all huffy, like "The inhumans have stolen our destiny! All of our struggles, all the sacrifices we made, all for nothing! JEEEEAAAAAANNN" and then we would have had Cyclops attacking the inhumans and wiping out their cloud, and it would have been a believable, sensible character arc where Cyclops actually became a villain.
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Feb 2, 2017 03:33
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site posted:Are they making you pay for it or are they at least making it returnable like dc was doing with rebirth stuff (or at least i think you said they were??) We don't have to pay for it and they even give us shipping credit. In the end it's more books to toss in the dollar bins after a year. But it's shady as gently caress on their part, especially since #1 had a 100% overship to qualifying stores.
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Feb 2, 2017 03:43
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Maxwell Adams posted:
seriously it's so loving insane they're trying to make the guys on the 'I'd rather not have my entire group get killed by your retarded death cloud' the bad guys. This would have been a perfect solution, yea, then it's just pure 'but then WE won't be special' fighting and it'd be really easy for either side to be the rear end in a top hat there. The fact that they're putting weird super human eugenics on the same level as having the entire...race(?)...of another wiped out is bonkers
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Feb 2, 2017 05:06
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Mutants are also a weird eugenics experiment.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:21
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site posted:I actually kinda felt the opposite cuz there's no way you're coming from this world and reacting to seeing bigotry by saying yeah theres no way this could happen without supervillain interference I choose to read that she is in denial, that she's obsessed with everything being like a comic so therefor there has to be darker layer to it. Though I think that Champions would be better served with them taking on, more traditional villainy rather than trying to be all topical and edgy.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:29
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So what's changed with Waid, anyway? Before Daredevil I've only really read 52, so I dont know if he's been this bad before, but he's hitting some Secret Avengers by Nick Spencer politics ham fisting on champions.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:33
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I don't mean to break the IvX echo-chamber, but y'all, this issue of Avengers. Y'ALL, this issue of Avengers! Holy poo poo it was so good and it was nothing but Kang. Give Kang a solo series
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Feb 2, 2017 05:34
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Skeematic posted:So what's changed with Waid, anyway? Before Daredevil I've only really read 52, so I dont know if he's been this bad before, but he's hitting some Secret Avengers by Nick Spencer politics ham fisting on champions. He has no idea what teenagers actually sound like or how modern young people interact with each other.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:35
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Kang is a great villain in the hands of someone that actually understands the character. And Waid is really good with him.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:35
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X-O posted:Kang is a great villain in the hands of someone that actually understands the character. And Waid is really good with him. Waid's work on Avengers is fantastic. ANAD was only so-so for the above reasons.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:37
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I don't know if anyone has been reading Waid's flashback issues of Avengers but if not you've been missing out. They're amazing. Retro Hawkeye is seriously the best rear end in a top hat ever.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:38
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Maxwell Adams posted:
In a way it would be genocide if they destroyed the cloud as it would mean no more inhumams. It would end their race.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:39
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Rhyno posted:He has no idea what teenagers actually sound like or how modern young people interact with each other. Is it a case of "no longer" has an idea? Isn't his Impulse stuff well regarded?
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Feb 2, 2017 05:41
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Rhyno posted:He has no idea what teenagers actually sound like or how modern young people interact with each other. His Archie series is literally nothing but this and it's loving great.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:42
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holy poo poo that karnak 6 part series finally finished, it's only been what, 2 years?
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Feb 2, 2017 05:44
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bobkatt013 posted:In a way it would be genocide if they destroyed the cloud as it would mean no more inhumams. It would end their race. That is really not a stretching of the word I can approve of. That'd be like saying giving everyone on earth mutant powers would be a genocide of the human race.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:45
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frodnonnag posted:holy poo poo that karnak 6 part series finally finished, it's only been what, 2 years? You've been Ellis'd.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:45
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Can't wait for The Wild Storm to do the same thing.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:54
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bobkatt013 posted:In a way it would be genocide if they destroyed the cloud as it would mean no more inhumams. It would end their race. they'd still have the whatever gene that would give them super powers and the current powered inhumans wouldn't die, so not really? they just wouldn't be able to give themselves super powers whatever, and sorry but I'm not that sympathetic to their plight on this point since if they found more terrigen, they could always start making more inhumans just fine especially not when the consequences for the other side are so much worse. every dies or everyone leaves, plus they were all sterilized and any new mutants born on the planet to human parents just die? "yeah but we can't give ourselves super powers anymore" isn't a convincing counter argument to that
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Lurdiak posted:Mutants are also a weird eugenics experiment. I thought this was an ultimate line thing? Is this canon in 616 as well? twistedmentat posted:I choose to read that she is in denial, that she's obsessed with everything being like a comic so therefor there has to be darker layer to it. I guess they dont bother to have authors read each others book when guesting them huh. "Who's gwenpool?" heres a bullet point list of her characteristics" "oh cool thanks"
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Feb 2, 2017 06:00
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that was an ultimates thing. the american government made mutants or something like that
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IvX is probably gonna end with the X-Men destroying the cloud and the Inhumans being like "oh we can get some more from the Kree so off we go into space!" I also like Champions. Some of it is heavy-handed, but I like how all the characters interact.
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site posted:I thought this was an ultimate line thing? Is this canon in 616 as well? Manatee Cannon posted:that was an ultimates thing. the american government made mutants or something like that Uh-uh. Much like the Kree created the Inhumans as a weirdo experiment, Mutants were created by Celestial experiments on the human genome.
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I would like it more if Champions had that character interaction stuff that I like, but it was during the usual superhero shenanigans. This issue just felt like the worst timing possible for a very special episode.
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Lurdiak posted:Uh-uh. Much like the Kree created the Inhumans as a weirdo experiment, Mutants were created by Celestial experiments on the human genome. Not trying to bust on anyone, when did this become canon i had never heard of this
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site posted:Not trying to bust on anyone, when did this become canon i had never heard of this It's some deep lore that doesn't come up often (because it contradicts the weirdo "next step in human evolution" narrative that Cyclops and Magneto love to trot out) but it's been canon since I wanna say the late 70s. E: Yeah, 1976-77.
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yea it's one of those stupid things that is still somehow technically canon because it's never been contradicted but I can't remember the last time it's actually come up
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It's not stupid, it's great. It makes all the stupid philosophical debates the X-people constantly have null and void. They're a failed science experiment made by aliens.
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Lurdiak posted:It's not stupid, it's great. It makes all the stupid philosophical debates the X-people constantly have null and void. They're a failed science experiment made by aliens. Was all the evidence of this destroyed like in ultimates, or rather is this known at all to anybody alive in 616?
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site posted:Was all the evidence of this destroyed like in ultimates, or rather is this known at all to anybody alive in 616? I think Apocalypse definitely knows. Not sure about anyone else. I'd be more sure if the X-men had fewer timelines.
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