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Kerning Chameleon posted:Why do you support children ritually breaking their bones for their parents' entertainment? There has never been a pickup game without parents cheering at the injuries of their children, you are correct.  
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Sports are designed to get people to value physical attributes above mental and emotional ones, and are thus fundamentally dehumanizing and contribute to a culture that glorifies violence. You must have loved Harrison Bergeron (I loved it too, its one of Vonnegut's best short stories)
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Apr 4, 2019 18:25
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theflyingorc posted:I'm pretty sure I've seen actual studies on term frequency as related to athlete skin color, and they found certain terms were much, much more likely to be used by commentators based on race. The League covered this as well. "Class act" is a black coach, latino baseball player is a "firecracker", "gym rat", "scrappy" for white people.
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Sports are good when used as a tool to promote public fitness, but when it turns into a money-sink to train a hundred selected citizens to win prestigious awards, or to fuel television broadcasts with no regard for the health of the participants, it needs to be controlled.
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The Glumslinger posted:You must have loved Harrison Bergeron I mean, that whole story is one giant thesis as to why such an egotistical and violent rear end in a top hat like Harrison needed to be restrained so much.
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Apr 4, 2019 18:27
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, that whole story is one giant thesis as to why such an egotistical and violent rear end in a top hat like Harrison needed to be restrained so much. what
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Apr 4, 2019 18:28
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Sports give kids who have nothing something to hope for and sometimes keep them off the streets. Some of y'all are square as gently caress.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Sports are designed to get people to value physical attributes above mental and emotional ones, and are thus fundamentally dehumanizing and contribute to a culture that glorifies violence. Most sports are fun as hell to play and not inherently violent. Baseball, basketball, even two hand touch football with your buddies. Sometimes sports are literally the only option a kid has to rise up out of poverty and make some good money. In conclusion, your opinion is bad.
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Apr 4, 2019 18:29
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ReidRansom posted:Oddly enough, the surprisingly scandal-free Rick Perry. I don't know how a man so widely known to be corrupt as gently caress has managed to basically be the least hosed up person in this administration. I keep forgetting he even exists. Perry? No, there must be some mistake. He's not in the Trump administration. There's a guy who kinda looks like Rick Perry but he wears glasses.
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Gort posted:Sports are good when used as a tool to promote public fitness, but when it turns into a money-sink to train a hundred selected citizens to win prestigious awards, or to fuel television broadcasts with no regard for the health of the participants, it needs to be controlled. The public really likes them I don't know why people seem mystified by this. I find sports pretty boring, but other people like them. LOTS of other people like them, and it's OK for the government to invest in them (but a lot of times they invest in them too much)
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ReidRansom posted:Oddly enough, the surprisingly scandal-free Rick Perry. I don't know how a man so widely known to be corrupt as gently caress has managed to basically be the least hosed up person in this administration. I keep forgetting he even exists. https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1111262413272174594
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Apr 4, 2019 18:33
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Sometimes sports are literally the only option a kid has to rise up out of poverty and make some good money. That's an indictment against capitalism and classism, not an argument in favor of institutionalized sports.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:That's an indictment against capitalism and classism, not an argument in favor of institutionalized sports. Sports also help with a sense of normalcy. Lots of New Yorkers, for example, said sports helped them feel like things were getting back to normal after 9/11.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:That's an indictment against capitalism and classism, not an argument in favor of institutionalized sports. Maybe it can be both. It can be both things.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:That's an indictment against capitalism and classism, not an argument in favor of institutionalized sports. Yeah, it's clearly only capitalism that makes people want to watch sports. In a socialist paradise, we'd all be only delivering sick burns on Twitter, the noblest sport
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Creating a different track to success for a certain class of people to prevent them from competing with the children of privilege is the whole point. It's about as likely to lead to long-term success and happiness as dealing drugs and/or becoming a professional rapper, maybe worse. When you say "you should idolize THESE people" to one group and not to another you reinforce the racist power structures that lead to people having no options. Whether that means that sports are bad as a concept isn't really something I'm equipped to address, but you definitely can't talk about the lottery-ticket chances of success as a reason to defend them
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[St. Louis] city lawyers wrote "Pepper spray or mace is not 'the new fire hose.'" How do you draw the perfect comparison and then just go 'nope it's not like that at all!'?
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah, it's clearly only capitalism that makes people want to watch sports. In a socialist paradise, we'd all be only delivering sick burns on Twitter, the noblest sport It's a known fact that non-capitalist countries have never used sports as a symbol of national prestige
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It’s gonna be loving wild when, in 15-20 years, we have a terrorist attack in a large US city that they trace back to the GOP buddying up with assholes, again.
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Apr 4, 2019 18:39
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Remember when PJ ate a ban for refusing to let the concentration camps go and asking "WHERE ARE THE GIRLS?!??" Whoops she was right again.
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BougieBitch posted:Creating a different track to success for a certain class of people to prevent them from competing with the children of privilege is the whole point. It's about as likely to lead to long-term success and happiness as dealing drugs and/or becoming a professional rapper, maybe worse. When you say "you should idolize THESE people" to one group and not to another you reinforce the racist power structures that lead to people having no options. I don't disagree, but let's fix the system first before we address sports and their possible badness.
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Ripoff posted:It’s gonna be loving wild when, in 15-20 years, we have a terrorist attack in a large US city that they trace back to the GOP buddying up with assholes, again. I'm honestly shocked it's been relatively quiet on US soil since 9/11, save an incident like the Boston Bombing or Charlottesville.
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BougieBitch posted:Creating a different track to success for a certain class of people to prevent them from competing with the children of privilege is the whole point. It's about as likely to lead to long-term success and happiness as dealing drugs and/or becoming a professional rapper, maybe worse. When you say "you should idolize THESE people" to one group and not to another you reinforce the racist power structures that lead to people having no options. See Venus and Serena Williams dealing with bullshit about their physiques or play styles ("why must they grunt and create such a disturbance  "), Tiger Woods' skill being reduced to "So good for a black person"You also see this weird narrative spring up were the Parent was sacrificing everything and pushing their kids to succeed at the sport (they would drive 3 hours to the nearest court and the kids had no summers ever starting at age 2), whereas similar regimens in other sports (swimming or gymnastics or ice skating) aren't cast similarly or other athletes just kinda fell into it almost naturally.
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theflyingorc posted:The public really likes them Sure, this is why I think reform to make the bad stuff better is the way to go rather than trying something impossible.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I don't disagree, but let's fix the system first before we address sports and their possible badness. Eh, I don't know about that. Obviously Kerning Chameleon is wrong because they are always wrong, but if we pull out football specifically it's obvious that it's a net negative to society. For every player that makes the pro leagues, probably 20 or more get career-ending injuries at the high school or college level, not even getting into the brain damage that is getting more and more established. There are certainly sports that avoid the hardest hits for the most part, but I LIKE football and I'd still think a law banning it would be a good thing (not that it matters because it makes money for rich people).
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https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1113812027796008960 Walking it back baby, can't wait for them to walk back smears against the Democratic nominee next year in October.
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Apr 4, 2019 18:46
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Anyone who called this during the last week of economic collapse panic posting should get a free Nostradamus avatar. Because I had a great laugh at "one year warning"
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anyone who called this during the last week of economic collapse panic posting should get a free Nostradamus avatar. Just in time to try to play the tough guy in a heated presidential campaign.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anyone who called this during the last week of economic collapse panic posting should get a free Nostradamus avatar. Let's see if this new attitude survives a night or two of Fox News calling him a weak loser.
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Harik posted:Remember when PJ ate a ban for refusing to let the concentration camps go and asking "WHERE ARE THE GIRLS?!??" No, I don't. She literally has two bans, and neither appears to be for that. But make up your own history as you see fit, I guess
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Angry_Ed posted:Nobody's saying that you disingenuous poo poo. What they are saying is it's very weird to call Glenn Greenwald a leftist when he goes on a white supremacist's show on a white supremacist-run network and agrees with him. It's also weird to act like Glenn Greenwald acts in good faith when he has frequently lied his rear end off if he thought the news would damage the West, and his two-faced-ness and hypocrisy. (see: his complete denial of Bashar Al-Assad's chemical weapons use. See: his defense of Operation Iraqi Freedom that, unlike a certain Presidential Candidate, he has never admitted that he ever had that opinion to begin with. See: his defense of anti-immigration policies. See: Backing the loving Oath-Keepers. See: his defense of Citizens United. See: burning Reality Winner. See, using illegal wiretaps). It is further weird to not think for a second that it's super odd that Glenn Greenwald completely agreed with a summary filed by a Trump-appointed-AG whose previous big claim to fame was "Covered up Iran-Contra". I don't think Greenwald is a leftist, though? He was a libertarian back when he started blogging post-911, and while he may have moved leftward on some things, he's definitely not a socialist or anything, at least that anybody's been able to point out. Also it's just laughable that you think the guy just hates "the West," which good job parroting white supremacist rhetoric there, by the way. "The West" is a racist fever dream constructed by helicopter ride fetishists. As for your links, who gives a poo poo? Nobody's here to say Glenn's an awesome dude and we're 100% on board with him politically, socially, spiritually and emotionally. He's just not the stooge people make him out to be. But let's address a few, for fun: He didn't back the Oathkeepers. He just linked to an article about them posting an ad. It's a ridiculous article that maybe produced a pearl considering how much it worried about a single tweet. And he had nothing to do with Reality Winner besides working for the same company the people who hosed up did. At least keep your accusations grounded in reality. If anything, I'd say he's being a bit of a crank about this, but given the way that anonymous sources and official lies drove much of the work he did prior to this year, what we're seeing is consistent and of a piece for him.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anyone who called this during the last week of economic collapse panic posting should get a free Nostradamus avatar. Surely it just coincidentally aligns with the 2020 election season right?
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News: Grifter wimps out E. Fb
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