Mebh posted:

Yeah, there's political BS voting and judges being lovely and the votes actually being rigged.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Here's a wiki on a few of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_controversies_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest

Thought that ding dang dong thing was My Ding-a-Ling for a moment - anyone else remember it getting banned by the BBC?

Guavanaut posted:

I'm guessing that Jaeluni meant Chuck Berry's ding a ling.

Reminds me of finding some of my grandad's old Sam Cooke records a few years ago.

"Well she was just sixteen"

oh no

"But I was just sixteen too"

oh thank gently caress

Always the risk of surprise noncery around every groove with that era of music.

quote:

'Extreme' protest groups face ban under proposal

Protest groups such as Just Stop Oil and Palestine Action could be banned in a similar way to terrorist organisations, under a proposal from the government’s adviser on political violence.

An upcoming report from Lord Walney, which BBC News has seen extracts of, will recommend a new category for proscribing "extreme protest groups".

It defines these are those which routinely use criminal tactics to try to achieve their aims.

The sanctions could restrict a group's ability to fundraise and its right to assembly in the UK.

A government source said ministers would consider the recommendations.

"Militant groups like Palestine Action and Just Stop Oil are using criminal tactics to create mayhem and hold the public and workers to ransom without fear of consequence," Lord Walney said.

"Banning terror groups has made it harder for their activists to plan crimes - that approach should be extended to extreme protest groups too."

Just Stop Oil and Palestine Action have been approached for comment.

The new restriction orders "would be distinct from proscription on terrorism grounds", the report will say.

But the mechanism could limit the activities of organisations that have a policy of using criminal offences or causing serious disruption to influence government or public debate.

If a group’s actions were persistent, and used to promote a political or ideological cause, that would count against them, according to the recommendation.

It will come as part of a review into tackling political violence by Lord Walney - the former Labour MP John Woodcock - which was commissioned three years ago, but is yet to be published.

A government source said ministers shared Lord Walney’s objectives and would consider implementing his recommendations once the review was published.

Guavanaut posted:

Always the risk of surprise noncery around every groove with that era of music.

Tesseraction posted:

oh fwiw they added a new system a couple of years ago where the country's popular vote and the country's "panel" were separated so that the panels could easily decide the winner against the popular will

the first time I was aware of this was when we "won" in 2022 overwhelmingly on the popular vote of countries, but then the judges gave Ukraine an insane amount of points based on the judge panels across the EU

I wasn't mad or anything because they just got loving invaded and I understand the political importance of the support, but I did think at the time "just because I'm okay with this now... this is a bullshit system that will absolutely be used badly in future"

Mebh posted:

Is there like, an actual legit chance that Eurovision voting is and has always been a sham?

SixFigureSandwich posted:

I mean I do wonder why any of it is funny and if it's not just Anglos having no concept of languages beyond english again

Tesseraction posted:

oh fwiw they added a new system a couple of years ago where the country's popular vote and the country's "panel" were separated so that the panels could easily decide the winner against the popular will

the first time I was aware of this was when we "won" in 2022 overwhelmingly on the popular vote of countries, but then the judges gave Ukraine an insane amount of points based on the judge panels across the EU

I wasn't mad or anything because they just got loving invaded and I understand the political importance of the support, but I did think at the time "just because I'm okay with this now... this is a bullshit system that will absolutely be used badly in future"

fuctifino posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qv7425gvwo

We aren't on a very good timeline....

redleader posted:

fuctifino posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qv7425gvwo

We aren't on a very good timeline....

Microplastics posted:

Paging Lord of the Llamas to the charts thread for this absolute doozy of a venn

TACD posted:

I describe my relationship using this diagram but the other members of my polycule use a conflicting diagram

Failed Imagineer posted:

Men with Venn

Nettle Soup posted:

To be fair, my German partner also finds Dutch hilarious. I could see him grinning every time he saw a sign, when we were passing through the Netherlands.

Jel Shaker posted:

if you’re gonna get 12 years for holding up a sign you might as get 12 years for bringing a hammer and actually causing serious damage to some delicate equipment

Z the IVth posted:

Big Qin Dynasty executions for everyone energy going on.

Josef bugman posted:

I think the worst was the Yongle Emperor. Managed to do the 10 Exterminations and wasn't just the parents, children, grandparents, students, sworn friends and brothers but any of those peoples relatives as well. If they'd up'd it to 11 they may well have wiped out himself.

Z the IVth posted:

The Qin dynasty thing was making every crime punishable by death as some crazy attempt at "deterrence". This meant when an otherwise well meaning cop lost a few rebel prisoners (punishable by death) he decided that in for a penny, in for a pound and joined the rebellion (also punishable by death). Worked out pretty well as he ended up the future Han Emperor.

Nettle Soup posted:

To be fair, my German partner also finds Dutch hilarious. I could see him grinning every time he saw a sign, when we were passing through the Netherlands.

Rarity posted:

The popular vote gave Israel 323 points so thank gently caress for the juries imo

team overhead smash posted:

I think it’s likely that this is a vocal but small plurality of voters in most countries going hard for Israel, e.g. a solid 20% of committed arseholes, while the remaining majority of 80% is spread across a a whole host of other countries. It’s not like you can vote against Israel, you can just vote for someone else.

Failed Imagineer posted:

Men with Venn

Jakabite posted:

lol @ all the posters hailing the destruction of a massive and important event for the queer community. Please try to not be miserable pricks for 5 seconds.

Went to an alternative Eurovision thing, lots of queer performers doing a mix of genuinely impressive and silly as gently caress stuff, was a lot of fun. Bought a keffiyeh, finally, and it’s extremely soft and comfy which is a bonus I’d not expected.

OwlFancier posted:

I don't know that I would enormously want to be associated with eurovision just because I'm bi tbh.

Jakabite posted:

lol @ all the posters hailing the destruction of a massive and important event for the queer community.

OwlFancier posted:

I don't know that I would enormously want to be associated with eurovision just because I'm bi tbh.