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Angepain posted:which posters, what hailing? Foxboy about two pages back if you want to get specific? E: confused as to why youd imply id simply made this up lol
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May 12, 2024 15:30
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Jakabite posted:That’s fine for you, but it is undeniably a big event and an important touchstone for many of your fellow queers, like myself. And to be a bit less high horsey about it, it’s a lot of silly fun performances with a weird fun voting format and a ton of pageantry, and when people hate on it it has the exact same vibe as the miserable emo kid at school constantly talking about how awful Britney is or whatever. I feel like being annoyed about it is also apparently pretty important to the people who enjoy it enough to attend? Based on all the booing and that. I don't buy the whole "you have to support events that profess support for gay people" thing, big "oh you support palestine, well they'd all murder you if they got the chance whereas israel has pride parades" vibe tbh. I don't particulalry like the notion that you're somehow betraying your nature by not being into whatever massive corporation or government wants to trade on appealing to you today. If the "queer community" that it's supposedly an organic representation of is happy to have israel performing at it, or russia up until it invaded ukraine, ignoring the state suppression of queer people before that, then it's not a community I want to be a part of. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:36 on May 12, 2024 |
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May 12, 2024 15:32
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If the reports are right and they were throwing out people with NB flags, if Israel's stylist was able to record and misgender an NB contestant and call them a monster, and if Graham Norton was cool misgendering multiple NB performers then gently caress Eurovision, queer people have much better and supportive spaces anyway
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May 12, 2024 15:34
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Jakabite posted:Foxboy about two pages back if you want to get specific? I just think it's better to be specific about who and what you're arguing with rather than casting a wide net of posters saying something, somewhere
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May 12, 2024 15:37
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like being annoyed about it is also apparently pretty important to the people who enjoy it enough to attend? Based on all the booing and that. You don’t have to like it, obviously. And for me it’s not even so much about supporting queer stuff, I just loving hate when people see other people having fun and go ‘heh, how stupid, I’d never be so tasteless’ or whatever it is that drives people to post about how much they think a fun and benign event a lot of people enjoy is stupid. I just hate it a bit more when it’s something like this that it’s about. E: ^^^^ next time I post something responding non-specifically to posters in the thread, assume I’m posting it in relation to the posters who’d said the things I was talking about in the last few pages
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May 12, 2024 15:38
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I'm pretty sure the contention is that it isn't fun and benign and actually has quite a few problems that people feel very strongly about. I don't watch eurovision but I also don't generally comment about eurovision because it's just not on my radar. People do lots of silly fun things and that's fine, but the reason people are annoyed about this is because it doesn't seem very silly or fun to have Israel competing with their aspiring genocide participant and the contest going to some lengths to stop people expressing their disapproval of that.
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May 12, 2024 15:41
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Totally agree, Israel should never have been allowed to participate and i hate that they did. I boycotted this year. but I think it’s a little disingenuous to imply that that’s the reason people get all 2cool4this over Eurovision.
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May 12, 2024 15:44
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I think it is possible that people also don't find the contest interesting, but are still primarily annoyed about it for political reasons.
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May 12, 2024 15:45
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:some of his takes are just amazing Yeah I wonder why Ukraine doesn't given any points to the country currently engaged in a monstrous illegal incursion into sovereign territory.
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May 12, 2024 15:48
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I actually rather like Eurovision but the inclusion of Israel in it in recent years has made me not watch it. Same way it was gross letting Russia continue to compete after Crimea, but once a country is actively engaging in genocide they shouldn't be allowed to perform at the happy fun pop parade.
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May 12, 2024 15:50
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OwlFancier posted:I think it is possible that people also don't find the contest interesting, but are still primarily annoyed about it for political reasons. Sorry mate this just doesn’t wash. I think a lot of people are just snobby wankers about it to be honest. Anyhow, that’s my hungover Sunday morning(it is morning gently caress off) grumpiness done. Israel, bafflingly, has been in for about forty years or something now I think. Their inclusion is far more egregious but slightly less confusing than that of Australia, a country as far from Europe as possible. Moldova is the true god country of Eurovision in my eyes. God bless Moldova 🇲🇩
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May 12, 2024 15:55
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Jakabite posted:I think a lot of people are just snobby wankers about it to be honest. ding ding ding
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May 12, 2024 16:00
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Tesseraction posted:I actually rather like Eurovision but the inclusion of Israel in it in recent years has made me not watch it. Same way it was gross letting Russia continue to compete after Crimea, but once a country is actively engaging in genocide they shouldn't be allowed to perform at the happy fun pop parade. This is also to Jakabite and Owlie, but, "in recent years"??? Israel is absolutely horrible on gay rights and has been forever, it just has good PR and is better than the surrounding countries. No gay marriage (though in fairness they do recognise it if you do it overseas), semi-regular attacks on the LGBT+ community (night clubs, pride parades), the yearly argument about how you can't have pride in Jerusalem because it'll offend the religious assholes and overall the attitude to gay rights outside of Tel Aviv (where the PR is centered) is pretty bad. I think adoption is still a no-no for gay couples as well, but I'm not sure.
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May 12, 2024 16:02
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Hating eurovision is a perfectly legitimate response based on its content and how hard it is to avoid it I think. But yeah it's got a lot of importance beyond EBU money source, there's such a thing as hating it respectfully Hard to avoid? I think I went 20 years never hearing a single song until my wife got me into it a couple years back. Even now I go into it completely blind every year without trying. I almost forgot it was on until I saw the GBS thread. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 16:05 on May 12, 2024 |
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May 12, 2024 16:03
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Yeah to be clear the "israel is a gay friendly haven among the barbarians" narrative isn't one I actually buy, the state is always your enemy.
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May 12, 2024 16:08
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For me the inclusion of Israel, and in recent years Azerbaijan, has always been a black mark, but this was the first year they were in full on turbo genocide mode and it became a black mark I and many others could no longer abide. It’s real annoying cos Eurovision is usually one of the best nights of the year for me and my pals, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
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May 12, 2024 16:09
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Jakabite posted:this was the first year they were in full on turbo genocide mode We'll agree to disagree on that.
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May 12, 2024 16:15
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That isn’t meant as a defence of Israel but I think we can all agree things have somewhat escalated in the past year, no?
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May 12, 2024 16:20
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Further conspiracy madness on the dutch entry: Someone on threads was claiming that the dutch spokesperson accidentally outed the cameraperson by name, and somehow that person is also the writer of the Israeli entry? But that doesn't sound right, the songwriter also working as a camera op?
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May 12, 2024 16:21
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Jakabite posted:That isn’t meant as a defence of Israel but I think we can all agree things have somewhat escalated in the past year, no? Sure, I'm just saying I would still quantify the status quo before this year as turbo genocide
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May 12, 2024 16:22
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Further conspiracy madness on the dutch entry: they might have just had a massive gently caress off camera with them
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May 12, 2024 16:33
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Miftan posted:Sure, I'm just saying I would still quantify the status quo before this year as turbo genocide Yeah, fair enough.
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May 12, 2024 16:41
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Miftan posted:This is also to Jakabite and Owlie, but, "in recent years"??? Israel is absolutely horrible on gay rights and has been forever, it just has good PR and is better than the surrounding countries. Yeah FWIW it's not that I mean that in recent years they've ramped things up, just that they came back to Eurovision after loving off for a while and when that cringey Israeli weeaboo won I said "yeah no, gently caress this I'm not watching Eurovision in loving Israel" and haven't come back
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May 12, 2024 17:03
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Mega Comrade posted:Hard to avoid? I think I went 20 years never hearing a single song until my wife got me into it a couple years back. 
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May 12, 2024 17:19
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I was going to post the Atos pride video but it looks like they last participated in 2018 and they've taken the video down from youtube. I distinctly remember some Israeli-owned arms manufacturers doing some as well.
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May 12, 2024 17:26
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Israel first entered Eurovision in 1973, so they're not exactly a recent addition. gently caress them anyway regardless.
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May 12, 2024 17:26
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Has anyone here had to sit the Civil Service Numerical test recently? Any tips or stuff to know in advance? It says that there is no time limit, but would I be able to save progress/quit for example? Edit: apologies for the double post
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May 12, 2024 17:33
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Jakabite posted:That isn’t meant as a defence of Israel but I think we can all agree things have somewhat escalated in the past year, no? I do understand your overall point here regarding Eurovision as LGBT culture but I sincerely think your argument is dismissive at best. Anecdotally, but in my personal big queer extended friend group the enthusiasm for Eurovision has basically evaporated over the last decade due to successive scandals. I was talking about it with my partner the other day and we agreed that it was really poo poo that Eurovision has done such a poor job at navigating issues regarding Palestine, Ukraine/Russia to an extent, ECT. My argument for soft boycotting for the last 6-7 years (not actively watching but still keeping an eye on individual acts) to actively boycotting this year (no engagement at all) is one of solidarity. Yes, Eurovision is important for the LGBT community, but I cannot ignore how it is celebrating the entry of a nation engaged in an offensive, genocidal war. It sucks a lot because personally this year was really interesting to me. I should be completely behind the Irish entry, being nonbinary myself. I would love to celebrate them and to have spent the weekend cheering for them and watching the contest, but it isn't right and we need to expect better from everyone involved.
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May 12, 2024 17:36
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Did you mean etc or does Eurovision have a terrible take on electroconvulsive therapy?
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May 12, 2024 17:40
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New gang tag?
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May 12, 2024 17:40
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There was a letter in the Graun I think recently responding to a comment on how the Tories lock up the 70+ vote. The writer pointed out that far from them locking up that vote, it's more that poverty killed off the lefties in that cohort. This is all something we know - you don't get more conservative as you get, it's just most of the progressives died younger. But the letter specifically brought up the fact that his father was born the same year and day as Sir Captain Tom, and was a lifelong socialist who worked in the mines. He died in 1981, while SCT(pbuh) died in 2023, having the chance to vote in an addition 10 elections, and of course many many more local and european ones. It was an interesting (and sad) gulf between two lives.
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May 12, 2024 17:44
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Tesseraction posted:Did you mean etc or does Eurovision have a terrible take on electroconvulsive therapy? Eurovision has failed Early Careers Teachers.
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May 12, 2024 17:47
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ireland-european-broadcasting-union-israel-graham-norton-australian-b2543628.html Ireland once again 100% done with everyone's poo poo. E: Apparently the Israeli state broadcaster Kan incited violence against them either 2 or 3 times, but I can't find any quotes about what was said. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 17:54 on May 12, 2024 |
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May 12, 2024 17:48
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Israeli media is like Russian media where everyone is a frothing insane fascist psychopath who says unhinged poo poo the millisecond their show begins and continues ranting it until several hours after their show finished.
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May 12, 2024 17:58
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah I wonder why Ukraine doesn't given any points to the country currently engaged in a monstrous illegal incursion into sovereign territory. That and she lived in Russia for most of her life, left in 2022 for reasons and plus the whole Genocide thing, performed in occupied Crimea, it’s odd why they gave her no points isn’t it
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May 12, 2024 18:09
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah I wonder why Ukraine doesn't given any points to the country currently engaged in a monstrous illegal incursion into sovereign territory. How much of it is this and how much of it is the fact that the a Israeli singer is both Russian and supports the annexation of Crimea? Efb
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May 12, 2024 18:11
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smellmycheese posted:New gang tag? Just that ULEZ -> Palestine -> Just Stop Oil bar would make a great gang tag, maybe with a mini Sir Captain in there somewhere.
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May 12, 2024 18:12
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Skull Servant posted:I do understand your overall point here regarding Eurovision as LGBT culture but I sincerely think your argument is dismissive at best. Anecdotally, but in my personal big queer extended friend group the enthusiasm for Eurovision has basically evaporated over the last decade due to successive scandals. I was talking about it with my partner the other day and we agreed that it was really poo poo that Eurovision has done such a poor job at navigating issues regarding Palestine, Ukraine/Russia to an extent, ECT. This is totally fair but that hasn’t been I or my friends experiences - many of my closest friends have only just embraced their sexuality so they’re still enjoying it, or were until this year. Maybe I should’ve been more diligent and boycotted sooner though. Oh well, what’s done is done I suppose.
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May 12, 2024 18:16
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Mega Comrade posted:Hard to avoid? I think I went 20 years never hearing a single song until my wife got me into it a couple years back. I mean quite clearly it's hard to avoid. It's being spoken about in this very thread right now! Yes, the songs are easy enough to avoid because it's all disposable pish that even the performers will have forgotten in 4 months time. But you hear about it anytime you open your social media platform of choice, open a news website, turn on the TV news (Al Jazeera was usually a pretty safe choice) or talk to another human being. Imagine me yammering at you for 30 minutes non-stop in the office about my excited thoughts for the final Shellac record dropping this week or whatever the gently caress other thing I could ramble on about that you have absolutely no interest in. Jakabite posted:Foxboy about two pages back if you want to get specific? I assume you mean me? Which now you've just made me sound like a furry rather than a person who picked a screenname from the song he was listening to however many years ago, which is funny. Anyway, I do think you reacted a little strongly to a glib comment. Because I don't think Eurovision is anywhere close to dying off, despite my own lamentations. Anyway, being a crotchety fart is an important touchstone for me, it's fun, so you enjoy your terrible thing & I'll enjoy my terrible thing. As nice as it would be for my posts on the internet to have any real world consequence, well, I don't think they do or there would be a lot more people smugly listening to moderately underground music & acting like it's a deeply countercultural & interesting act. I kind of wanted to use this to talk about my entire disconnect from the stereotypes (that's not really the right word but I just can't think of a better one at the mo) of queer culture, but because my sexuality is such an afterthought vis-a-vis my identity (this is undoubtedly some form of privilege I'm speaking from even if I'm not entirely sure how I'd couch it) I don't really know how to. I used to think it was a consequence of just not really noticing I was bi (or pan? I don't even really know what I'd call it), I suppose technically supressing it a bit, less out of shame & more just out of a general mild embarrassment about talking about sex & such when I was younger. I was very awkward, unsurprisingly. I dunno. I was just thinking about how I felt about being accused of cheering the destruction of "a massive and important event for the queer community." And mostly I felt it was funny, both as it's another example of me having a complete disconnect from the "queer community" aesthetically but also just because it's such incredible hyperbole & I'm always a fan of that. Though I did think your comment about emo kids was a bit off & condescending, not to me who was too old to be an emo kid in school, but just to kids who are different in general. Which is funny considering what got you so het up at me about. Because maybe be slightly more tolerant and consider the emo kid actually is miserable for a reason & ranting about whatever popular music may be a way for them to kick back at a society which is hurting them emotionally or whatever. IDK, like I said, kind of funny that sad teen outsiders are taking stray fire for a nearly 40 year old being a grump. Tesseraction posted:Israeli media is like Russian media where everyone is a frothing insane fascist psychopath who says unhinged poo poo the millisecond their show begins and continues ranting it until several hours after their show finished. So it's like watching GB News then
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josh04 posted:Just that ULEZ -> Palestine -> Just Stop Oil bar would make a great gang tag, maybe with a mini Sir Captain in there somewhere. It’s perfect as it is. Dole it out to us committed Tom enjoyers
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