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Curvature of Earth posted:Oy vey. Fanfiction mirrors its writers, and Harry Potter caught a lot of fanfic writers in their "darker and edgier is better" phase all at once. Not to mention length. Megaword-length epics are standard in the field, so HPMOR is not in any way out of place in this regard. We need some sort of emoticon :hugo: for HUGO QUALITY WORK in the fanfic field.
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 14:59 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 06:58 |
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divabot posted:We need some sort of emoticon :hugo: for HUGO QUALITY WORK in the fanfic field. We already have
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 16:56 |
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Chapter 13: Asking the Wrong Questions Part 11 quote:
Eliezarry lost the game! Could this be the end of him? Can we start the game with a new character? quote:
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 04:05 |
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This'll be the second time I've attempted to parse this schlock, and even five paragraphs at a time I can't be assed to try and figure out or even read about this stupid 'game'.
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 09:57 |
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I have no idea what the gently caress this game is about. Only that the payoff will not be worth it.
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 11:10 |
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Anticheese posted:I have no idea what the gently caress this game is about. Only that the payoff will not be worth it. Attest to Operating Thetan. See, I thought this game bit was pretty entertaining and clever for the declared audience of nerds: a nice idea, reasonably executed. Of course since this appears to be an actually good thing in a LessWrong-related publication, this means it cannot possibly be original. There will have to have been a zillion previous stories containing an amusing game similar to this using the particular trope this relies upon (TO BE REVEALED SHORTLY!), probably all animes. divabot fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jul 20, 2015 |
# ? Jul 20, 2015 11:17 |
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I can't read this poo poo, even with the OP's excellent commentary, so I'm mostly just skimming through updates and reading goon posts.
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 11:39 |
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Utgardaloki posted:This'll be the second time I've attempted to parse this schlock, and even five paragraphs at a time I can't be assed to try and figure out or even read about this stupid 'game'. It's quite painful, and you can tell Yudkowsky got bored of his bright idea a scene or two in and is just throwing random attempts at humour at the page by this point. "You didn't figure it out? MINUS A ZILLION POINTS! ETERNITY YEARS TORTURE DUNGEON!"
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 12:12 |
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It's the romhack school of game design.
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 15:48 |
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chrisoya posted:Time-travelling future HJPEV is trolling doesn't-have-a-time-machine-yet present HJPEV. This does not lead to the horrified realisation that Harry was a dick all along, a resolution to be less of a dick, and actual character growth. Yudkowsky as Lemongrab is surprisingly apt. Actually, it's terrifyingly apt.
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# ? Jul 20, 2015 18:58 |
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chrisoya posted:Time-travelling future HJPEV is trolling doesn't-have-a-time-machine-yet present HJPEV. This does not lead to the horrified realisation that Harry was a dick all along, a resolution to be less of a dick, and actual character growth. In fairness, as he will fairly quickly discover in what is probably the best single moment in HPMOR, it's not like time-traveling future HJPEV had the option to NOT be a dick, he had to do exactly what had been done to him. There's a reason why people with time turners get told not to interact with themselves.
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# ? Jul 21, 2015 01:18 |
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Ugh. The whole appeal of this kind of thing in a story is seeing if you can catch on tot he mystery as fast as the protagonist. It's the same formula that made Sherlock Holmes popular. Pretty much the most obvious, and easily avoided way to ruin this narrative structure is have the solution to be completely unpredictable and out of nowhere.
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# ? Jul 21, 2015 04:19 |
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Utgardaloki posted:Ugh. The whole appeal of this kind of thing in a story is seeing if you can catch on tot he mystery as fast as the protagonist. It's the same formula that made Sherlock Holmes popular.
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# ? Jul 21, 2015 04:37 |
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Utgardaloki posted:Ugh. The whole appeal of this kind of thing in a story is seeing if you can catch on tot he mystery as fast as the protagonist. I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but as soon as the whole sleep-cycle thing was brought up I immediately thought of a time-turner., which made this whole game sequence really tedious and stupid as it's rather obvious what is happening.
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# ? Jul 21, 2015 11:50 |
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I think another guy in the field said this stuff in page 1 or something, but we're so far from AGI it's quite hilarious. The cutting edge stuff in machine learning right now at least in computer vision can... assign known class labels to pictures sorta accurately using deep neural networks? Don't get me wrong, there has been some awesome progress in the last decade or so - but I doubt we'll have AGI during my lifetime...
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# ? Jul 21, 2015 17:03 |
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Kellanved posted:I think another guy in the field said this stuff in page 1 or something, but we're so far from AGI it's quite hilarious. The cutting edge stuff in machine learning right now at least in computer vision can... assign known class labels to pictures sorta accurately using deep neural networks? Don't get me wrong, there has been some awesome progress in the last decade or so - but I doubt we'll have AGI during my lifetime... Also, sorta accurately has a very different definition for computer vision researchers. 75% under ideal conditions is really good guys!
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# ? Jul 22, 2015 01:58 |
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From the old LW mock thread:Antivehicular posted:I feel like Yud's writing would be substantially more relatable and enjoyable if sometimes there were just random werewolves and Bionicles. I don't want to effortpost too hard about HPMOR and the rest of this rationalist fanfic, but one of the most unnerving things about it to me, beyond the actual content, is how loving joyless it is. Yud and his imitators are taking a medium that exists more or less entirely to feed the adolescent (or mentally adolescent) id, a medium of infinite self-indulgence, and using it to produce boring screeds indistinguishable from their nonfiction posts. The only thing that even comes close to expressing any kind of real emotions are the parts that are about a paralyzing, all-consuming fear of death.
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# ? Jul 22, 2015 11:02 |
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Incidentally "a paralyzing, all-consuming fear of death" is the slogan on Yud's business cards. (It was either that or "GENIUS" printed beneath his name. Hey, it worked by Wile E. Coyote.)
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# ? Jul 22, 2015 17:51 |
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Curvature of Earth posted:Incidentally "a paralyzing, all-consuming fear of death" is the slogan on Yud's business cards. (It was either that or "GENIUS" printed beneath his name. Hey, it worked by Wile E. Coyote.) This sounds like something from the EY Facts list, but I went to parody that and it was too LW.
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# ? Jul 22, 2015 19:35 |
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divabot posted:This sounds like something from the EY Facts list, but I went to parody that and it was too LW.
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# ? Jul 22, 2015 19:54 |
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chrisoya posted:I laughed at "Eliezer Yudkowsky's favorite fighting technique is a roundhouse dustspeck to the face." Dude really loves his dustspecks/torture argument. But first, let's talk about
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# ? Jul 22, 2015 20:09 |
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Chapter 14: The Unknown and the Unknowable Part One quote:
That’s derived from the “Seven Words of Power” from The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, isn’t it? Does it still make sense if you replace the last two words (“harad” and “khabaal”) with “J.K. Rowling”? quote:
Seems like Eliezarry’s instinct for self-preservation has gotten sharper since his encounter with the Slytherin students and his misjudgment of their willingness to break his fingers. quote:
Isn’t Eliezarry going to ask McGonagall about the mysterious “game” and his own instruction to himself to “go to Professor McGonagall's office”?
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# ? Jul 23, 2015 05:31 |
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quote:"I... see," Professor McGonagall said. "And if, perhaps, you were to discover the entrance to Salazar Slytherin's legendary Chamber of Secrets, an entrance that you and you alone could open..." I don't know why this annoyed me as much as it did, but ... well, I can see the attempt at humour; but ultimately it comes across as sycophantic, and blatant lies. Eliezarry seems to have no respect for adults, and would blatantly think that anyone apart from himself was going to mess-up the site, and would attempt to explore it himself, given his proclivities, probably selling off the magical artefacts he found. Have we reached the slowest pace yet, or does it drag more than this later? I'm not sure I've enjoyed anything since Harry woke up.
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# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:00 |
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NeoAnjou posted:I don't know why this annoyed me as much as it did, but ... well, I can see the attempt at humour; but ultimately it comes across as sycophantic, and blatant lies. Eliezarry seems to have no respect for adults, and would blatantly think that anyone apart from himself was going to mess-up the site, and would attempt to explore it himself, given his proclivities, probably selling off the magical artefacts he found.
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# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:09 |
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Seriously the thing that annoys me the most is this mishmash of elements from across all the books. It breaks my suspension of disbelief completely because it's so drat jarring.
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# ? Jul 23, 2015 19:26 |
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SSNeoman posted:Seriously the thing that annoys me the most is this mishmash of elements from across all the books. It breaks my suspension of disbelief completely because it's so drat jarring. Oh, if that is jarring to you then just wait until you meet Eliezer's version of Quirrell.
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# ? Jul 23, 2015 19:40 |
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NeoAnjou posted:I don't know why this annoyed me as much as it did, but ... well, I can see the attempt at humour; but ultimately it comes across as sycophantic, and blatant lies. Eliezarry seems to have no respect for adults, and would blatantly think that anyone apart from himself was going to mess-up the site, and would attempt to explore it himself, given his proclivities, probably selling off the magical artefacts he found. Well, at THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT he's on a "try really hard not to be a prospective dark lord" kick, so I don't think he's lying about what he would do if he found the chamber of secrets at this exact moment. If he found it the previous week, or a week from here, I'd be less charitable though.
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# ? Jul 23, 2015 22:15 |
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NeoAnjou posted:Have we reached the slowest pace yet, or does it drag more than this later? I'm not sure I've enjoyed anything since Harry woke up. Hahahahahahahaha
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 00:33 |
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Chapter 14: The Unknown and the Unknowable Part Two quote:
Is the Basilisk in this story going to be a stand-in / allegory for the “Roko’s Basilisk” that Eliezer is so terrified of? quote:
And then everyone in the school stood up and clapped. quote:
This little exchange speaks so many, many volumes about quote:
This is way too jarring and sharp a turn in the characterization of one character, let alone the characterizations of and relationship between two characters.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 03:30 |
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I looked up Roko's Basilisk and feel dumber for knowing what it is. Also, I think what Yud needs is to stop self-medicating with bad fanfic and go see a psychiatrist.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 07:53 |
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Yeah, it's definitely not; Yudkowsky gets really mad at people who post about the basilisk. The subject came up a lot in the old mock thread, search there if you want to find out more.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 08:51 |
Well, it's good to know people have contingency plans to deal with time-traveling evil AIs from the future. Really helps you sleep soundly at night.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 10:28 |
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anilEhilated posted:Well, it's good to know people have contingency plans to deal with time-traveling evil AIs from the future. Really helps We're going to get into that kind of stuff more in this later, but a common theme in his work is that super smart people should hide all dangerous ideas from the simple, normal folk, as if scientists were a cabal of secret wizards.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 18:19 |
So the fanfic is basically him begging to be accepted into the Illuminati, right.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 18:29 |
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Night10194 posted:super smart people should hide all dangerous ideas from the simple, normal folk, as if scientists were a cabal of secret wizards. Gnostic atheism. No gods, no masters, but
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 18:44 |
Night10194 posted:We're going to get into that kind of stuff more in this later, but a common theme in his work is that super smart people should hide all dangerous ideas from the simple, normal folk, as if scientists were a cabal of secret wizards.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 18:44 |
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Curvature of Earth posted:Gnostic atheism. No gods, no masters, but Well, yes. As I said earlier in the thread, my interest in Yud is entirely in how closely his work maps to a religion.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 18:47 |
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Night10194 posted:We're going to get into that kind of stuff more in this later, but a common theme in his work is that super smart people should hide all dangerous ideas from the simple, normal folk, as if scientists were a cabal of secret wizards. He originally claimed this was a way to make science popular. But yes, he's quite fond of not showing his work. anilEhilated posted:So the fanfic is basically him begging to be accepted into the Illuminati, right. The Beisutsukai, you insufficiently rational person who is probably from a low-IQ country. (Ordinary humans were not so impressed.) Night10194 posted:Well, yes. As I said earlier in the thread, my interest in Yud is entirely in how closely his work maps to a religion. Death - as in the heat-death of the universe, which even tawdry non-aging humans will fall to - will be solved by magic, as the superintelligent AI discovers new physics that make his dreams work. In all seriousness, that's his actual plan. He literally calls it "magic".
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 19:34 |
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Chapter 14: The Unknown and the Unknowable Part Three quote:
McGonagall was so distrustful and skeptical of Eliezarry barely a day ago, and now she’s giving him a highly classified magic item reserved for “highly responsible” students. Surely one act of “responsibility” by Eliezarry shouldn’t erase his tantrums and attempts to blackmail her during their shopping trip at Diagon Alley. Is McGonagall under some kind of mind control too? quote:
Surely nothing can go wrong with giving a time machine to a ten year old child who’s demonstrated distinct “Dark Lord” tendencies. JosephWongKS fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Jul 29, 2015 |
# ? Jul 28, 2015 06:26 |
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At least here you can see bits where he's poking fun at the original books. Harry and co do win a lot of points for the House Cup because of their Voldemort-related activities, and Hogwarts does give out a time travel device to kids on a very flimsy justification.
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# ? Jul 28, 2015 06:40 |