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Bust Rodd posted:wait the U.K. hasn’t closed bars and restaurants or banned large gatherings yet? our largest pub chain is owned by a big tory donor and brexitlord hes just announced that theyr staying open because people can't be infected in pubs and the government declined to respond to that lol
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:the government has advised people not to go to bars and restaurants, and has advised people not to hold large gatherings Insurance companies have confirmed that they don't consider government-mandated closure a valid reason to claim insurance, though. https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1239865584973684737?s=21
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Darth Walrus posted:Insurance companies have confirmed that they don't consider government-mandated closure a valid reason to claim insurance, though. yeah lol i liked their "you're not getting it either way" response just transparently a racket like every UK institution if you rub the dust off the surface
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Mar 20, 2020 13:30
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Herd immunity only even works if it's a disease you can't get twice, which apparently this one is not
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Mar 20, 2020 13:31
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Captain Splendid posted:Herd immunity only even works if it's a disease you can't get twice, which apparently this one is not this is still unknown i'm no epidemiologist but i *am* a geneticist and i've been trying to follow the science as it's published. the way viruses adapt past learned immune responses is by mutating certain pattern-associated molecules, typically membrane proteins or the like. for that to happen this quickly, either it's much (like, genuinely an awful lot) more prevalent than believed or it mutates much more quickly in the wild than in lab conditions at the moment it seems most likely to me that the test is producing false positives, and that this is what caused the cases of apparent double infections anyway, the herd immunity strategy would've cost literally hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly a full-on societal collapse by the government's own revised figures. even in the best case it was always insanely risky
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Mar 20, 2020 13:41
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:still sort of waiting for the first actual government response, tbh Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:the government has advised people not to go to bars and restaurants, and has advised people not to hold large gatherings no you see yesterday it was upgraded to, quote, strong advice! Also the schools are shut at least, finally.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:02
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well you see the great British public are mature and reasonable adults who can be trusted to make responsible decisions for themselves, their families and their fellow citizens based on the sound, evidence-based and strongly-worded advice of their government, and they definitely won't e.g. carry on going down to spoons for 3-5 pints every lunchtime until they're closed down by the police/so choked with the dead and dying that you can't get to the bar anymore
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Mar 20, 2020 14:13
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gonadic io posted:no you see yesterday it was upgraded to, quote, strong advice! To everyone who isn't a 'key worker'. https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1240943876803870722?s=21
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Mar 20, 2020 14:18
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V. Illych L. posted:anyway, the herd immunity strategy would've cost literally hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly a full-on societal collapse by the government's own revised figures. even in the best case it was always insanely risky It still will
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Mar 20, 2020 14:28
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Barry Foster posted:It still will yeah whats "funny" is that the revised study theyr supposedly basing things off, they assume 550,000 deaths unless you do xyz and the government has basically suggested x and not done yz no journalists have noticed cause they're all functionally illiterate
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Mar 20, 2020 14:33
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i have to assume journalism courses revolve around biting down on any questions you may have about the material the final exam is an endurance test where you spend three hours trying not to form an opinion
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Mar 20, 2020 14:39
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:i have to assume journalism courses revolve around biting down on any questions you may have about the material it's more that being a journo is all about connections and being able to work for nothing while getting your feet on the ground there has been no money in proper journalism for a while so the modern UK press are either high paid flunkies with government/high-level connections or overworked peons who only have time to copy-paste press releases verbatim
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Mar 20, 2020 14:48
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there is also a fundamental british doctrine that things that are in the public interest are not in the public interest theres a legit law that basically anything horrible or embarassing the british government does must be memory-holed for 20 years before it can be discussed it makes sense, we're a monarchy and why should the peasants know things if it'll just get them upset? its not like they can do anything about it anyway
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Mar 20, 2020 14:58
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:i have to assume journalism courses revolve around biting down on any questions you may have about the material The final exam is you having to take care of an egg while pretending it's the illegitimate son Boris had with your wife.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:32
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They're just courtiers OP
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XMNN posted:well you see the great British public are mature and reasonable adults who can be trusted to make responsible decisions for themselves, their families and their fellow citizens based on the sound, evidence-based and strongly-worded advice of their government, and they definitely won't e.g. carry on going down to spoons for 3-5 pints every lunchtime until they're closed down by the police/so choked with the dead and dying that you can't get to the bar anymore Yeah I thought it was really funny when Tim Martin was moaning about his sales declining a whole 12%. Even accounting for people drinking more than normal that's abysmal effectiveness.
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Mar 20, 2020 18:14
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Bust Rodd posted:approximately how old were some of you when you started to really comprehend the magnitude of what Britain used to be? It was around the time that there were reports of how Mau Mau rebels were treated in the camps during the 50s, namely being raped with glass bottles filled with boiling water. This was around '08? That was what turned it from a 'yeah, I guess I knew that' to, 'Brittania delanda est'.
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Mar 20, 2020 18:53
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So Britain has finally taken the steps every other affected country did a while ago, with 33 deaths in a day, Boris having his big Chuchillo-Merkelian Wir Schaffen Das moment. And media's eating it up, because of course.
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Private Speech posted:So Britain has finally taken the steps every other affected country did a while ago, with 33 deaths in a day, Boris having his big Chuchillo-Merkelian Wir Schaffen Das moment. eh it seems like Rishi Sunak is the one people are creaming themselves over because he's so ***reasonable***
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Mar 20, 2020 20:04
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Mar 20, 2020 21:15
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:this is honestly far more than i expected It's great, the magic money tree has been planted in the Treasury and we get to harvest the fruit every single loving time there's a problem. If we sort this out then there's no reason we can't do the Green Industrial Revolution, it'll be the perfect time for it as well because there's going to be a need for government directed action to get everything going again. My God, this is what it must be like to be a rightwinger forcing a leftwing government into making cuts. It's beautiful.
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Mar 20, 2020 21:20
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The rebirth of (actual) One Nation Toryism could be a huge problem for Labour down the line, but honestly right now I'm just glad they're doing something. Has anyone dug into the details of this yet, seen how it applies to zero hour contracts, the self-employed and the 'self-employed'?
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Mar 20, 2020 21:40
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MikeCrotch posted:eh it seems like Rishi Sunak is the one people are creaming themselves over because he's so ***reasonable*** maybe on social media, but BBC is all in on the "PM HATH DECLARED" wagon e: see this article Private Speech has issued a correction as of 21:46 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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multijoe posted:The rebirth of (actual) One Nation Toryism could be a huge problem for Labour down the line, but honestly right now I'm just glad they're doing something. the self employed get, uh, statutory sick pay
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Mar 20, 2020 21:45
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have they restarted wider testing yet? or would that be a step too far
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Private Speech posted:have they restarted wider testing yet? We're basically past the point where it's useful except for making the mortality rate less scary or allowing healthworkers to continue practicing, we just need everyone to contain themselves and therefore it from spreading and hope society doesn't break.
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Mar 20, 2020 21:54
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Private Speech posted:maybe on social media, but BBC is all in on the "PM HATH DECLARED" wagon lol "virus fight"
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Mar 20, 2020 21:55
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Communist Thoughts posted:lol "virus fight" well it turns out virus appeasement doesn't work, so, reluctantly, Albion sets its sight towards war once more
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Mar 20, 2020 22:29
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namesake posted:We're basically past the point where it's useful except for making the mortality rate less scary or allowing healthworkers to continue practicing, we just need everyone to contain themselves and therefore it from spreading and hope society doesn't break. arent the WHO asking everyone to keep going? surely you can locally increase contaiment measures for short periods where a low-rate infected area has a quick increase. For example, Cornwall council made a statement asking the emmets to gently caress off up country before they pollute their pleasant wilderness. If you said nothing but supplies will cross the Tamar there's a chance they'd take it year round anyway, and if you can cycle hard/soft containment then you can potentially clear individual regions as well as remind people it could be worse, both of which are important for morale. It's unwise to dismiss the value of "less scary" during a pandemic that already saw people fleeing into villages in Italy pre-empting the lockdown, too.
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namesake posted:We're basically past the point where it's useful except for making the mortality rate less scary or allowing healthworkers to continue practicing, we just need everyone to contain themselves and therefore it from spreading and hope society doesn't break. this is 100% wrong
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Mar 21, 2020 14:03
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gcses and a levels canceled in the UK innit
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Mar 21, 2020 14:04
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When will they designate NI as a quarantine zone and force a hard land border?
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Mar 21, 2020 14:33
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SelenicMartian posted:When will they designate NI as a quarantine zone and force a hard land border? They won't. I'd be surprised that anyone is even thinking about us during this pandemic - same as we were an inconvenience during brexit.
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Mar 21, 2020 14:37
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this isn't a pandemic as far as the british stance on the irish goes... it's an opportunity
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Mar 21, 2020 15:01
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:this isn't a pandemic as far as the british stance on the irish goes... Strong chance the Republic is going to come out of this significantly better than we do.
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Mar 21, 2020 15:03
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Darth Walrus posted:Strong chance the Republic is going to come out of this significantly better than we do. Post that number of Irish counties meme
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Mar 21, 2020 17:05
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Dominic Cummings is probably going to get a parade and a knighthood when this is all over. https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1241643814739206145
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Dmitri-9 posted:Dominic Cummings is probably going to get a parade and a knighthood when this is all over. lmao all those dumbass other countries with their "vaccines" and "quarantines" just do herd immunity ya dummies
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Mar 22, 2020 13:05
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the same journalists who were criticising everyone on twitter who said the plan was stupid as poo poo and going to get people killed are now acting shocked that was the plan. they're just hoping they can throw him under the bus when it gets really bad despite the government doing what he said with no complaints
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Jose posted:the same journalists who were criticising everyone on twitter who said the plan was stupid as poo poo and going to get people killed are now acting shocked that was the plan. they're just hoping they can throw him under the bus when it gets really bad despite the government doing what he said with no complaints Worked in 1915 when they needed someone to blame for Gallipoli. (Churchill was to blame but he hardly was the only one who should have been ruined).
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