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Goat Bastard: Oct 20, 2004

Shaggar posted:

C# code:
var(assumed IButt) butt = SomeLib.GetSomethingWeAssumeIsAnIButt();

var(assumed int) jiggleFactor = butt.TouchIt();

database.StoreButtJiggleFactor(butt.id,jiggleFactor);
now imagine SomeLib.GetSomethingWeAssumeIsAnIButt() now starts returning ITouchable (since they want to add multiple touchables like boners, boobs, balls, etc..) AND the ITouchable.TouchIt() method now returns the firmness rating as int, instead of jiggle factor (jigglefactor has been move to IJiggler which is implemented by boobs + butts, but not balls or boners)

you are now storing the id of something that might not be a butt and the firmnessRating instead of the jiggleFactor. theres nothing your compiler can do to warn you about this since you;ve wiped out the typing in the first statement.

Do you have an example of a real world library, which you have used as a professional, which has done this?

# ? Dec 19, 2012 12:48

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 23:46

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

yaoi prophet posted:

has anybody made a userscript that replaces that image with a version without the one white pixel

here you go: http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/154489.user.js

# ? Dec 19, 2012 13:33

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

qntm posted:

can we go back to foo and bar

never!

# ? Dec 19, 2012 13:36

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

yaoi prophet posted:

has anybody made a userscript that replaces that image with a version without the one white pixel

Ozma has said she'd replace it with a corrected version, and a couple have been posted, so I think it's just a matter of time.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Here you go

edit: drat, beaten to it.

# ? Dec 19, 2012 13:37

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

All that work will be lost, like tears in rain

# ? Dec 19, 2012 13:54

Sneaking Mission: Nov 11, 2008

why the gently caress would you get rid of the pixel it's the best part of the smiley? the gently caress is wrong with you

# ? Dec 19, 2012 14:54

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Shaggar posted:

you are now storing the id of something that might not be a butt and the firmnessRating instead of the jiggleFactor. theres nothing your compiler can do to warn you about this since you;ve wiped out the typing in the first statement.

your compiler can't warn you that the upstream library authors are stupid, with or without type inference

if the interface remains intact, but the authors radically change the applied types, it's dumb luck whether your type name changed or not, because those guys are crazy

also, this:

Cocoa Crispies posted:

jigglefactor shouldn't be an int, it should be an instance of Butt::JiggleFactor

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:32

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Sneaking Mission posted:

why the gently caress would you get rid of the pixel it's the best part of the smiley? the gently caress is wrong with you

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:35

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

i like to use static typing everywhere except my parameterized sql

the really critical persisted data, that's where you need raw Int, the safest datatype that has never bitten anyone

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:36

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i like to use static typing everywhere except my parameterized sql

the really critical persisted data, that's where you need raw Int, the safest datatype that has never bitten anyone

orly? http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/06/13/anatomy-of-a-bug-the-mysql-authentication-disaster-patch-now/

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:40

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

a well-meaning datatype who never meant to hurt nobody

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:45

Lysidas: Jul 26, 2002; John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.; Pillbug

i dont mind java, havent written any in a while though

goddrat is that String length limit a pain in the rear end though

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:49

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Sneaking Mission posted:

why the gently caress would you get rid of the pixel it's the best part of the smiley? the gently caress is wrong with you

okay, fine http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/154500.user.js

# ? Dec 19, 2012 15:51

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

vapid cutlery posted:

I hope not. Keep letting dumb white people think they're mega smart for writing unmaintainable C++ for no money

you're in a bad company or mega dumb if you don't make money with c++, and you're a bad programmer if what you write is unmaintainable, in c++ or your spiderweb of lua

# ? Dec 19, 2012 16:10

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

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Jerry SanDisky posted:

you're in a bad company or mega dumb if you don't make money with c++, and you're a bad programmer if what you write is unmaintainable, in c++ or your spiderweb of lua

dont take your poor life choices out on me

# ? Dec 19, 2012 17:43

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

To all you C# developers, shut the hell up. The language doesn�t make you elite; it is what you do with it. If you only knew how you sound. Just shut the hell up. You sound like a bunch of bigoted zealots from the old south.

You C sharpees kill me to death. I think you find VB a little confusing so you pick C# the easier language. As far as I'm concerned VB is the more superior language whether it is in the hands of a real programmer or not. VB is not the straight jacket that C# tends to be. VB allows many more ways to skin a cat. Where C# may seem lean and agile it looses its flare and edge. I must contend that C# is not a language of a true artist but then true artists do use the thing. What I�m saying is that language is neutral in a common language infrastructure environment (.Net, Mono, Delphi). So off course if you use one then learning the other is redundant, unless you have to. I would always choose a VB background over C#, C++, java etc, and I won�t tell you why mister smarty pants. Lets be real, you are only building business applications. That is not rocket science or dare I say it, neither is it computer science. The phony elitism by these guys is beyond asinine and I will address who the real idiots are later. What I want to know is have you built any new technologies lately. Oops, sorry about that low blow to the testicles. Just having a little mean spirited fun at your expense. I�ve been ignoring this crap from you guys for years. So back atcha. You try to persuade that VB and its users are inferior for all the wrong reasons. I�ve used Basic, VB, Assembler, C++, java, oh what ever. C# is not a new invention friends. C# is just a C, C++ and java knockoff. C# is a bastard 3 generations removed and you want to bust our balls. Yes you guessed it; I don�t intend to relieve you of your ignorance. I like you just the way you are. I don�t want to persuade you to like or use VB. Why, because I enjoy feeding my arrogance with your ignorance. So on that point I am leaving you in the dark where I found you.

In the end VB and C# are just tools. The real intellect comes from choosing the one that suites you and the job best. The tools don't make the man, the man makes the tools.

Sharpees also try to put on airs because they are able earn slightly better pay then Vebras (VB developers). I just love bursting this little Arian fable you guys like to spin about. As Yoda would say, "Well rounded, you are not". It is a simple matter of economics (supply and demand), there are far fewer C sharpees. If you intend to get one of the little buggers you will have to pay a premium. Do you remember PowerBuilder and SQL Gupta. Well that�s good because that�s all they are now, a memory. At one time they both commanded more than VB in the market place. So there you are my little grass hoppers. Those Idiots use the same dumb arguments you like to spread around today. Here is my Mr. T impression, �I pity the Fools�. It�s easy to hop on a bandwagon, the trick is being savvy enough to hop on the right one. VB is still here and they are not. There you go hot shots, so you can stop clicking your boots and saluting Hi-Hitler. If sharpees had any real sense they would just shut the hell up. Why would you want more people to start using your language and bring down your stock (A.KA your earning power). Just shut the hell up. Only an Idiot would bandy such nonsense.

I hope I have offended someone, or we haven�t started having any fun yet. Please read on.

Oh and why do I call C# users C sharpees? The language and the name (C#) remind me of that little ugly dog.

Anyway we have much bigger fish to fry in the near future so it won't matter if you are a vb, cc, dd, c#, blah, blah, Blah.
If you really want to know what the elite is all about I guarantee you won�t find it in C#. If you really want to broaden your horizons you better find out what Linux and Mono is all about. You sharpees don�t even know you are just slaves. Common Language Infrastructure under Linux will set you free. I�m sure most of you want to be elites are scratching your heads now so I will rap this up because I have wasted enough time with you chaps. You now have real elite knowledge. Off course if you where elite as sharpees like to pretend then this thrashing would not have been necessary. In any case we all want to be the best that we can be. I just shared the path with you. You have ability to be much more than just programmers and developers. You should strive to be Computer Scientists. That is what the world needs. The world could give a rat�s rear end about the contents of your tool box.

# ? Dec 19, 2012 19:44

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

gas

# ? Dec 19, 2012 19:45

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

the great desdubler has spoken

# ? Dec 19, 2012 20:00

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

i like c# because the syntax is succinct

i just did a whole app in vb.net and boy are my arms tired

# ? Dec 19, 2012 20:37

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

that was a dumb joke,e ven for me, sorry. lots of meetings today turning my brains to goo.

# ? Dec 19, 2012 20:38

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

poo poo post but i'ma take that "Veebras" phrase

# ? Dec 19, 2012 21:01

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Cold on a Cob posted:

i like c# because the syntax is succinct

"i like _programmingLanguage_ because i have to type less letters" - a grownup

# ? Dec 19, 2012 22:40

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Cocoa Crispies posted:

jigglefactor shouldn't be an int, it should be an instance of Butt::JiggleFactor

I just want to quote this post

context is irrelevant

# ? Dec 19, 2012 22:45

0xB16B00B5: Aug 24, 2006; by Y Kant Ozma Post

rotor posted:

"i like _programmingLanguage_ because i have to type less letters" - a grownup

inlocalesx_z_=: 1 : '(u@] [ 18!:4@[)"0 _ ([ 18!:4) (18!:5)@(''''"_)'

# ? Dec 19, 2012 22:53

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Cold on a Cob posted:

i like c# because the syntax is succinct

lol

# ? Dec 19, 2012 22:55

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

rotor posted:

"i like _programmingLanguage_ because i have to type less letters" - a grownup

it's programming not a flowery prose riddled novel

succinct == concise, compact, precise, expressive. Feels good man.

# ? Dec 19, 2012 22:57

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

i like the part where i writes the names of the modules and everyone else fills out what goes in them

# ? Dec 19, 2012 22:59

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

rotor posted:

"i like _programmingLanguage_ because i have to type less letters" - the entire perl community

# ? Dec 19, 2012 23:03

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Cold on a Cob posted:

it's programming not a flowery prose riddled novel

succinct == concise, compact, precise, expressive. Feels good man.

# ? Dec 19, 2012 23:34

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Suspicious Dish posted:

:swoons:

all languages should support set operation glyphs imho

# ? Dec 19, 2012 23:44

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

i've never seen anyone make a case for array languages that convinces me they're not just out for job security

# ? Dec 19, 2012 23:46

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

i agree no concise syntactic sugar ever so lets declare arrays like this:

begin array variable declaration
Name: foo
Type: integer
Minimum: 0
Maximum: 1000
end array variable declaration

# ? Dec 20, 2012 00:01

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

rotor posted:

:swoons:

all languages should support set operation glyphs imho

kinda wish ruby treated them similar to arithmetic operators

Ruby code:

# encoding: utf-8
require 'set'
require 'pp'
 
class Set
  def &#8745;(*args)
    intersection *args
  end
 
  def &#8746;(*args)
    union *args
  end
 
  def &#8834;(*args)
    subset? *args
  end
 
  def &#8835;(*args)
    superset? *args
  end
end
 
first = Set.new %w{a b c d}
second = Set.new %w{c d e f}
c = Set.new %w{c}
 
pp first.&#8745; second
pp first.&#8746; second
pp c.&#8834; first
pp second.&#8835; c

code:

> ruby sets.rb
#<Set: {"c", "d"}>
#<Set: {"a", "b", "c", "d", "e", "f"}>
true
true

edit: also be nice if the forums didn't mangle 'em https://gist.github.com/4341605

# ? Dec 20, 2012 00:24

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Once I saw this one dude using some vim script or something (I'm not even entirely sure if it was really vim) that if you typed like 'or not = == in' it would show as '∨ � → ≡ ∈'.

I can't find any evidence that this is a real thing, if anyone is familiar with it please tell me.

# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:35

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

�_�

LMAO XD

# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:39

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Symbolic Butt posted:

Once I saw this one dude using some vim script or something (I'm not even entirely sure if it was really vim) that if you typed like 'or not = == in' it would show as '∨ � → ≡ ∈'.

I can't find any evidence that this is a real thing, if anyone is familiar with it please tell me.

paging zombywuf

# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:46

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

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gucci void main posted:

gas

# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:49

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Symbolic Butt posted:

Once I saw this one dude using some vim script or something (I'm not even entirely sure if it was really vim) that if you typed like 'or not = == in' it would show as '∨ � → ≡ ∈'.

I can't find any evidence that this is a real thing, if anyone is familiar with it please tell me.

i googled and didn't find any evidence so this is not a real thing

# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:06

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

Symbolic Butt posted:

Once I saw this one dude using some vim script or something (I'm not even entirely sure if it was really vim) that if you typed like 'or not = == in' it would show as '∨ � → ≡ ∈'.

I can't find any evidence that this is a real thing, if anyone is familiar with it please tell me.

i know there's something similar in haskell for emacs

# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:18

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 23:46

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

http://canonical.org/~kragen/setting-up-keyboard.html

# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:26

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