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Cerebral Bore posted:Turns out that crazy-rear end nationalists generally aren't very happy with their country being a de facto protectorate. Or the entire thing could just be satirical, what do I know. As I understand it, there's two strains of nationalism in Taiwan: Chinese and Taiwanese. There are lots of people who are gung-ho about being part of China, and others who demand total independence for Taiwan. When in Taiwan as a Westerner, it's best not to comment either way, as you will probably gauge their leaning wrong and definitely get yelled at.
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Ardennes posted:Oh god sorry, Sears tower. If it's made out of concrete and looks like a soviet apartment building, it's probably brutalist.
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tractor fanatic posted:If it's made out of concrete and looks like a soviet apartment building, it's probably brutalist. You're right having a tower of doom in the international style doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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QuoProQuid posted:He realized, however, that dividing Europe into rectangular states would clash with the ‘tribal’ makeup of the continent’s culturally diverse peoples. He proposed the following borders: Is the Vendée a separate country there? A couple of similar maps.  
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Kainser posted:I'm sure you think it's bizarre that Norway claims 1/6th of Antarctica as well lol of course Argentina is loving with Britain
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Dr. Tough posted:lol of course Argentina is loving with Britain I like how they claim like 95% of what Britain claims, but leaves them that small slice. Like, in an Argentine world; Argentina gets their slice, and Britain gets a tiny slice to the left and right of it.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Is the Vendée a separate country there? I think it's part of Brittany, the black line is the Loire. Do you have those other maps in a bigger size?
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Kassad posted:I think it's part of Brittany, the black line is the Loire. I assume he thought it should be added to Brittany because they were counter-revolutionary buddies once upon a time but it really wouldn't make any sense for them to be part of an independant Brittany. I asked the guy who makes those maps if there were larger versions available but he told me he doesn't want to release bigger ones because he sells them as posters and doesn't want people to just print them or something. And for a somewhat dumber map, France is working on a new round of decentralization and this is a map being tossed around by Breton and Alsatian nationalists. Green are autonomous regions, orange regions with more or less the same powers as now and blue as seperate metropolitan areas, sort of like the combined city/county things in some US states. Of course, France won't give some regions more autonomy than others (Alsace's historical weirdness notwithstanding) and it's weird that the departments in the old Pays de la Loire (after Loire Atlantique goes back to Brittany) just become regions rather than being reorganized with a new or different region.  A map of French licence plate pictures by region. A couple of things were mildly controversial, the Bretons and Corsicans basically have their flags on it and Brittany having their name in Breton. 
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Soviet Commubot posted:A couple of things were mildly controversial, the Bretons and Corsicans basically have their flags on it and Brittany having their name in Breton. Why is it controversial to have regional flags on the license plates instead of those other really bad, designed-with-Adobe-Illustrator corporate-looking logos? 
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^^^^ Separatism (or a hint of it) is a big no-no in France. Also the National Liberation Front of Corsica is a pretty violent group that uses the same flag as the region of Corsica.Soviet Commubot posted:I asked the guy who makes those maps if there were larger versions available but he told me he doesn't want to release bigger ones because he sells them as posters and doesn't want people to just print them or something. Fair enough. Soviet Commubot posted:And for a somewhat dumber map, France is working on a new round of decentralization and this is a map being tossed around by Breton and Alsatian nationalists. Green are autonomous regions, orange regions with more or less the same powers as now and blue as seperate metropolitan areas, sort of like the combined city/county things in some US states. Of course, France won't give some regions more autonomy than others (Alsace's historical weirdness notwithstanding) and it's weird that the departments in the old Pays de la Loire (after Loire Atlantique goes back to Brittany) just become regions rather than being reorganized with a new or different region. I don't see why they'd break up Centre and Poitou-Charentes as well. "Touraine" and "Anjou" are just individual departments, why do that instead of creating a new Val de Loire (or whatever) region?
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Drone posted:Why is it controversial to have regional flags on the license plates instead of those other really bad, designed-with-Adobe-Illustrator corporate-looking logos? Many people in France, both left and right wing, see any official recognition of minority cultures in France as the first step on the road to the destruction of France. Here's a map of regional languages spoken in France. In the colored areas only a minority speaks the regional language and all of those people are bilingual French speakers with maybe a tiny handful of old people as exceptions. These languages have no official recognition or status because doing so would be "dangerous to the unity of the Republic".  Kassad posted:I don't see why they'd break up Centre and Poitou-Charentes as well. "Touraine" and "Anjou" are just individual departments, why do that instead of creating a new Val de Loire (or whatever) region? To be honest the people who made were more interested in reuniting Brittany and picking the cool kids club of autonomous regions. Here's a more workable idea of reorganized regions. 
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GreenCard78 posted:I remember this on the stands Just in case anyone doesn't know what it's referring to:  "View of the World from 9th Avenue"
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Soviet Commubot posted:Many people in France, both left and right wing, see any official recognition of minority cultures in France as the first step on the road to the destruction of France. And suddenly a lot of stuff about Europe begins to make sense.
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computer parts posted:And suddenly a lot of stuff about Europe begins to make sense. Remember, this is the country that has a linguistic purity bureau of which Southern conservatives and anti-immigrant folks in the USA could only dream: "Wikipedia" posted:A recent controversy involved the officialization of feminine equivalents for the names of several professions. For instance, in 1997, Lionel Jospin's government began using the feminine noun "la ministre" to refer to a female minister, following the official practice of Canada, Belgium and Switzerland and a common, though until then unofficial, practice in France. The Académie, however, insisted on the traditional use of the masculine noun, "le ministre," for a minister of either gender. Use of either form remains controversial.
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The Académie has no legal power whatsoever, so beyond the fact that there are staunch proponents of prescriptive linguistics among the ranks of the Académie, your post comes across as the clichéd diatribe about them frogs.  On the other hand, there are organizations like that in other countries that do have some legal attributions, and that is a bit scary. (This one's just an example.)
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Muscle Tracer posted:Remember, this is the country that has a linguistic purity bureau of which Southern conservatives and anti-immigrant folks in the USA How is the Academie Francaise anti-immigration?
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:How is the Academie Francaise anti-immigration?
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I believe the official stance in France is "if you don't speak French, gently caress off." You can confirm that by looking at any Parisian ticket machine.
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That's pretty much it. There's no equivalent to the "Press 1 for English" talking point because the French state has done an extra good job of eliminating the regional languages and those of the immigrant communities (at least from the public sphere) in the past. That has nothing to do with the Académie Française though, it was primarily achieved by using the school system ("speak French or get punished"). That doesn't mean you'll get jumped in the street for speaking a foreign language, mind you. We're not Arizona.
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Kassad posted:That's pretty much it. There's no equivalent to the "Press 1 for English" talking point because the French state has done an extra good job of eliminating the regional languages and those of the immigrant communities (at least from the public sphere) in the past. That has nothing to do with the Académie Française though, it was primarily achieved by using the school system ("speak French or get punished"). Cool except that doesn't happen in Arizona either. Except they're actually a step ahead of France because they have bilingual education, signs, and services.
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Dr. Tough posted:Cool except that doesn't happen in Arizona either. Except they're actually a step ahead of France because they have bilingual education, signs, and services. You're saying that as if there were no bilingual education at all in France, but, while limited, it seems to be there. Content (kinda):  This is a picture of the Lithuania-Kaliningrad border on the Curonian spit. Considering how tight the control is in general when it comes to European-Russian borders, this picture is just funny. Some more pictures can be found here
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:How is the Academie Francaise anti-immigration? I have no idea if they are or not, but the anti-Spanish advocates in the southern USA would love a similar organization. I'm sure you can see how a linguistic purity board could be used to such ends.
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Dr. Tough posted:Cool except that doesn't happen in Arizona either. Except they're actually a step ahead of France because they have bilingual education, signs, and services. The predominant French belief is that if you make French + any other language "equal," French will lose, and that French must be treated as the authority if it's to survive. Discussing this is a huge  though.
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univbee posted:The predominant French belief is that if you make French + any other language "equal," French will lose, and that French must be treated as the authority if it's to survive. Discussing this is a huge Fair enough. Have Greater Finland: 
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TheBalor posted:As I understand it, there's two strains of nationalism in Taiwan: Chinese and Taiwanese. There are lots of people who are gung-ho about being part of China, and others who demand total independence for Taiwan. When in Taiwan as a Westerner, it's best not to comment either way, as you will probably gauge their leaning wrong and definitely get yelled at. I've never met anyone gung-ho about being part of China Hong Kong/ Macau style or otherwise.
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Modest Mao posted:I've never met anyone gung-ho about being part of China Hong Kong/ Macau style or otherwise. I think he means the government currently in Taiwan taking over China, rather than the other way around. Taiwan is officially known as the Republic of China, and they used to rule the mainland before the Communists beat them in the Chinese Civil War. The two sides never formally ended hostilities, and the Republic of China claims all of mainland China and does not recognize the People's Republic of China as a legitimate government.
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Modest Mao posted:I've never met anyone gung-ho about being part of China Hong Kong/ Macau style or otherwise. There aren't many of them, but they're out there. One of them has even managed to become president of Taiwan. I think most surveys recently have shown that less than 10% of Taiwanese people identify solely as "Chinese" but they do exist. Keep in mind, some of the old guys who came from the mainland with Chiang Kai-shek are still alive. Also people in Taiwan controlled areas like Quemoy and Mazu often do not think of themselves as Taiwanese since they aren't from the island of Taiwan, and their areas have a pretty different history having never been part of the Japanese empire unlike the main island of Taiwan.
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One of my Chinese language professors went over to Taiwan with Chiang et al as a child, before moving to the USA as a young adult to get his PhD. He definitely had some... interesting ideas about what's China and what isn't. I don't remember all the details from the time he decided to give us a "history" lesson though.
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Modest Mao posted:I've never met anyone gung-ho about being part of China Hong Kong/ Macau style or otherwise. I have, as have friends of mine. One charmingly ambiguous encounter was a middle aged man in the McDonald's by Taida yelling "China has been ignored too long!" at me. The best response in those situations, I find, is "Ich kann nicht spreche Englisch." I actually had a mainlander for a roommate who had a penchant for getting caught up in those situations. Taxi drivers in particular were belligerent towards him.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:He definitely had some... interesting ideas about what's China and what isn't. I don't remember all the details from the time he decided to give us a "history" lesson though.  That must be some kind of record for claimed:controlled territory ratio.
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Dr. Tough posted:Fair enough. That reminds of Marine Le Pen saying we should ask the Walloons if they want to become a French region during the Belgium political crisis. quote:Not that the party leader, Marine Le Pen, is suggesting all French-speaking Walloons come to France en masse; simply that Paris might consider taking on half of Belgium. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/21/belgium-walloons-french-front-national
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As long as they are asking instead of just sending troops, nothing wrong there.
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Guavanaut posted:All of China, all of Mongolia, and then some, at least according to some claims. I hear that's part of a weird diplomatic dance that Taiwan's doing with the PRC. Basically by claiming the rest of China, Taiwan is essentially acknowledging that it's a breakaway province, so still part of China. But if Taiwan gave up on all these claims it'd mean that they're a separate nation which would violate the integrity of China. We all know how the PRC feels about that.
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Guavanaut posted:That must be some kind of record for claimed:controlled territory ratio. Well if we're talking about a ratio, there are plenty of people who claim nonzero and control zero.
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Guavanaut posted:All of China, all of Mongolia, and then some, at least according to some claims. 1. The Qing are overthrown by the great revolution of 1911 2. Sun Yat-Sen's successor, Chiang Kai-Shek, is driven off the mainland by godless Communist bandits 3. The legitimate government of China waits in the wings off the mainland on a small and insignificant island that may make a good base for reconquest Yes, there have been a lot of boundary changes since 1911, but none of them have ever been acknowledged by the legitimate and real government of the great Republic of China.
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Kassad posted:I hear that's part of a weird diplomatic dance that Taiwan's doing with the PRC. Basically by claiming the rest of China, Taiwan is essentially acknowledging that it's a breakaway province, so still part of China. But if Taiwan gave up on all these claims it'd mean that they're a separate nation which would violate the integrity of China. We all know how the PRC feels about that. There's a lot of really bitter politics muddying the whole thing, but basically while the PRC isn't exactly thrilled about the ROC in Taiwan claiming to be the legitimate Chinese government, they absolutely despise the idea of Taiwan, or anybody else for that matter, claiming the island to be an independent state. Though the entire Republic of China's existence from 1912 to present has them claiming legal control over significantly larger territory than they had any real practical control over.
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Dr. Tough posted:Fair enough. Looks okay to me. Kola and Karelia being part of Russia instead of Finland has always bugged my map sperginess.
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Barudak posted:Are their roving gangs of Anti-Canadian Japanese people or is there some super dangerous part of Japan I'm blanking on? I think the area to avoid is Fukushima.
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