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Randarkman posted:It annoys me a bit that this is the second time I've gone shopping since my municipality turned red (we've got outbreaks in a nursing home and a junior high school at the moment, with a couple of people have an unknown infection route, plus we're pretty close to both Drammen and Oslo) and it's also the second time I've been the only person in the grocery store wearing a mask. About the inverse here, might see one person without a mask when shopping. Also all parents gotta wear masks when dropping off the kids at preschool or daycare.
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SimonChris posted:Just wear a plastic visor. It's 50 kroner, you can reuse it, and I forget I am wearing it after a few minutes. It's like I am wearing nothing at all... nothing at all... nothing at all...
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evil_bunnY posted:Same here. Mask usage is low single digit. Interestingly, almost all of the Asians I see around town wear masks.
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Cardiac posted:Interestingly, almost all of the Asians I see around town wear masks.
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In Oslo here, I've seen it go from zero masks to maybe high 80% of masks on public transport/indoor shopping. I know the mask thing isn't a mandate, and it's basically if you can't keep your distance, but still, I've actually been impressed. I've been wearing a mask since from when it had the fun connotation of everybody thinking I had corona, so now it's funny to see it be so flipped.
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I definitely do not miss getting weirded out looks whenever you wore a mask somewhere it wasn't mandatory. I do miss having a social life.
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Momonari kun posted:In Oslo here, I've seen it go from zero masks to maybe high 80% of masks on public transport/indoor shopping. I know the mask thing isn't a mandate, and it's basically if you can't keep your distance, but still, I've actually been impressed. I've been wearing a mask since from when it had the fun connotation of everybody thinking I had corona, so now it's funny to see it be so flipped. Yeah, that matches my experience - though it's fun to see how it varies between different shops. The students around here are a) not great at it and b) still around here, though - I thought the universities were basically closed? The best I can say for this entire everything is that I've finally started biking to work instead of taking the tram and bus. I now regret renting an apartment at a different altitude than my workplace, but I'm probably in better shape. Oh, and I work for OUS (doing IT things in research, so far away from the patients). They have been fairly decent, but the one thing this has brought into clear view is the sorry state of our research network. It has been in a "remove functionality as we discover security holes, and hope the replacement will eventually be ready and will suffice" maintenance mode for years now. This means they closed the VPN a few years ago without replacement, and even closed the webmail a few months ago - just what you want when trying to work from home.
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14 new positive cases in my municapility yesterday. Most of them in schools, including the high school I work at. So I guess the fuckers who said that closing the schools earlier this spring was a mistake and wasn't necessary should probably eat poo poo.
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I went to a store today and almost 5% of the customers wore masks. A new record! 
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Computer viking posted:This means they closed the VPN a few years ago without replacement, and even closed the webmail a few months ago - just what you want when trying to work from home.
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My sister almost died because of Covid this weekend so it`s frustrating to deal with people, especially my own close relatives who refuse to accept any of the control measures. Isolating the immuno-compromised was always a LOL idea. Especially so when you know haphazard way care instutitions are staffed. It`s not quite as bad as "anyone with pulse will do", but it`s almost that bad. No one stays for long in such a poo poo work environment and you would`nt even full time hours at a single instution anyway even if you asked for it. Supposedly it`s even worse in Sweden , but it`s pretty bad in Norway too.
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Swedish elderly care is chronically underfunded. Thus they understaff and underskill to keep up with the budget, which shrinks 1-3% respective to real cost per volume every year for the past 20 years.
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MiddleOne posted:Swedish elderly care is chronically underfunded. Thus they understaff and underskill to keep up with the budget, which shrinks 1-3% respective to real cost per volume every year for the past 20 years. Probably because they're making do with such low funding, so may as well lower it even further!
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MiddleOne posted:Swedish elderly care is chronically underfunded. Thus they understaff and underskill to keep up with the budget, which shrinks 1-3% respective to real cost per volume every year for the past 20 years. It's gone up a *lot* recently per capita though!
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Rust Martialis posted:It's gone up a *lot* recently per capita though! 
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Uppdrag granskning takes a critical look at the Swedish response to the Corona virus https://www.svtplay.se/video/29057218?start=auto
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Have the swedish Corona briefings turned into ceremonies preaching the virtues of Nurgle yet?
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Tegnells förmånsbil in 2022 moving around Sweden and observing the general well being of the country.
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Frekkie Melody posted:Tegnells förmånsbil in 2022 moving around Sweden and observing the general well being of the country. Where is this picture from, is it a Lovecraft thing?
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Google says warhammer 40k https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/6/18/begin-your-crusade/
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Beeswax posted:Google says warhammer 40k Thanks! 
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So I take it Swedish claims that they would fare better than their neighbors in the coming second wave have so far been proven to be wrong? e: Sweden still not doing any shutdowns or anything? Randarkman fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Randarkman posted:So I take it Swedish claims that they would fare better than their neighbors in the coming second wave have so far been proven to be wrong? 
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I remember my Swedish friends back in March / April posting smugly on their social media that they're faring so much better than the rest of the world, often emphasizing the point that a strict lockdown is not needed and is absolutely hysterical  This is not to make any 'gotcha' point, but I've a question to my Swegoons from a Norgoon. What was the reasoning for Tegnell's strategy? Was it actually sound? Because the impression I had was basically 'do gently caress all' because of a hypothetical immunity.
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I haven't followed the messages overly closely but it seems like the government agencies are sharpening their tone a bit but still not pulling the trigger on any formal lockdown measures. Most employers are encouraged to let people work from home. People are discouraged from using public transport or socialising with people they do not regularly meet. Libraries and other public spaces which attract visitors have removed all seating (at least here in Malmö) and introduced caps on simultaneous visitors. Lots of shops have shortened their opening hours due to lack of customers etc. but the onus is still on people to use their common sense and well, I guess we'll see how that works out in the long run. Stalins Moustache posted:What was the reasoning for Tegnell's strategy? Was it actually sound? Because the impression I had was basically 'do gently caress all' because of a hypothetical immunity. The way Tegnell has described it in at least some interviews is basically "lockdown on a national level is an untested and experimental tool that is not proven to have the desired effect." In a country with a history of social engineering, this is either a good example of or complete departure from our normal approach. Can't really tell which. Beeswax fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Randarkman posted:So I take it Swedish claims that they would fare better than their neighbors in the coming second wave have so far been proven to be wrong? They just announced these rules today in my län where we're starting to get hit hard by corona, my brother even got the virus so it became real for me all of a sudden.
But no full on shutdowns as of yet.
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Stalins Moustache posted:
That the Swedish strategy is "do gently caress all" is a huge simplification common in pretty much all interantional media. One difference is that it's not legal in Sweden to completly curb travel, which some of our neighbours have been able to do at times to restrict covid hotspots. We have also never completely shut down shops and restaurants. But me and most regular boring rear end office workers I know have been working from home since March, as employers were told to make it possible to WFH. Pretty much the entire live entertainment business is dead because audiencies of more than 50 have been banned most of the year. Large parts of the service industries are on their knees, both hotels, travel, restaurants and so on. So while a part of society has continued as if nothing happens, another part of society has clearly followed the recommendations. Herd immunity was never the strategy, despite what is reported by foreign media again and again. The strategy was (and still is) basically that covid is too tenacious to just shut down everything for a few weeks, and then open up. Instead it's better to promote a long term solution where people try not to be in conctact, especially by working from home and not travelling, while still keeping shops etc open. It's a bit annoying that herd immunity keeps being trotted out as Sweden's strategy, as it never was. Is fewer hard restrictions a good strategy? I'm not sure. Looking at the more common lockdown strategy, it has been wildly successful in some countries, and failed miserably in others. So it's very easy to argue against it if you cherry-pick examples, but you can just as well cherry-pick examples of the opposite. Same for all countries, I know some expats in the Czech Republic who spent the entire Spring laughing at us back home in Sweden, saying that if they just had done as they did we'd have no problem and no cases. Oh we were so stupid, just use masks and you get no Covid! Four months later, and Czech was at the epicentre of the second wave in Europe, despite nothing really changing. Epidemics are weird, man. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Tegnell has literally never listened to scientific consensus and it's loving enraging.lilljonas posted:Epidemics are weird, man. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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evil_bunnY posted:Tegnell has literally never listened to scientific consensus and it's loving enraging. That's also a popular hot take, but is it not also a bit hyperbolic? Just these last weeks there has been a roll-out of harder restrictions, especially regarding travel, which I think the scientific concesus would agree is helpful in decreasing spread of the virus.
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Rust Martialis posted:Deport the minks to Sweden. Well, the greasy goop that remains of them in mislaid containers.
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Rust Martialis posted:Deport the minks to Sweden. Not going to be any worse than the "fläskfilé" the danes send across the border.
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SplitSoul posted:China had the right idea re: lockdowns. Iron bars across doors and windows, armed guards out front?
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Randarkman posted:e: Sweden still not doing any shutdowns or anything?
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lilljonas posted:That's also a popular hot take, but is it not also a bit hyperbolic? Just these last weeks there has been a roll-out of harder restrictions, especially regarding travel, which I think the scientific concesus would agree is helpful in decreasing spread of the virus. I searched around a bit just now and stumbled over this article from Science magazine which is about how alot of people who've criticized the Swedish coronavirus strategy from a scientific perspective have been essentially driven away and shouted down in some cases, many of them are immigrant medical workers and such it seems who have ended up leaving the country in frustration. lilljonas posted:Is fewer hard restrictions a good strategy? I'm not sure. Looking at the more common lockdown strategy, it has been wildly successful in some countries, and failed miserably in others. I get the feeling that people who keep saying this keep not making the crucial distinction between lockdowns initiated as a panic response when infection is already out of control, which often seems to not stop things so much (keep in mind the roughly 1 or 2 week delay on things) because contagion is already so widespread, and lockdowns that are initiated in the initial stages of infection in an area. Done properly you'll probably find that the latter in most cases does work in flattening the curve. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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I've stopped talking to swedes about the 'rona mitigation measures. I just wear my loving mask and glare at them until they step back when they inevitably stand too loving close to me after a year of being reminded not to.Randarkman posted:I get the feeling that people who keep saying this keep not making the crucial distinction between lockdowns initiated as a panic response when infection is already out of control, which often seems to not stop things so much (keep in mind the roughly 1 or 2 week delay on things) because contagion is already so widespread, and lockdowns that are initiated in the initial stages of infection in an area. Done properly you'll probably find that the latter in most cases does work in flattening the curve. Also, lockdowns only work long term if you have capable test/trace/quarantine infrastructure in place. Otherwise you just rest the clock. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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evil_bunnY posted:Lockdowns will always help provided they're enforced decently, no matter how bad you've let it get beforehand. It just takes forever to improves when you've got positives cases out the rear end. Randarkman posted:I get the feeling that people who keep saying this keep not making the crucial distinction between lockdowns initiated as a panic response when infection is already out of control, which often seems to not stop things so much (keep in mind the roughly 1 or 2 week delay on things) because contagion is already so widespread, and lockdowns that are initiated in the initial stages of infection in an area. Done properly you'll probably find that the latter in most cases does work in flattening the curve.
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KozmoNaut posted:Iron bars across doors and windows, armed guards out front? More, like, don't fling the doors open the second you see a drop in infections, but I think the numbers speak for themselves. Post/av text combo. My 3M 6200 will be here in a few days. Time to practice my Bane impression. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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