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Taintrunner posted:You know that you really don't care anymore as there's no emotional weight and there's never a meaningful opponent to wick as he carves through infinite dudes running into frame with no regard for their own life It's definitely a film series that almost needs to introduce cyborgs, villains with Dandy-Walker syndrome, commandos in head-to-toe body armor or bomb suits juggernauting their way in, or something to counter the whole instakill headshots trope evident in John Wick.
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This kinda made me uncomfortable, seeing the attractive, wealthy, educated hollywood insider kinda tease the 'foreign eccentric' in a way that it's not really clear that he understands what's happening.
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Sep 15, 2017 10:07
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Shoombo posted:Yeah I have never understood the claim that John Wick 2 over-explains things. Even more than the first movie it's just a string of stylish set pieces with some cool assassin-sounding poo poo made up to string it along Thing is, in the first movie we still got an outside perspective because Viggo knew about the assassins but had his own thing going, which was just regular Russian mob stuff. In JW2 it's all assassins all the time, it gets a little difficult to relate after a while. I still love the second movie because it reminds me of Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, but with assassins instead of hobos. Also, hobo assassins.
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Iron Crowned posted:Star Wars was more than just a blockbuster though, it was a cultural touchstone because of what it did for cinema as a whole, and looking at the box office numbers alone misses why it had such impact. Yeah I was just touching on the box office numbers as a quick way to show how huge Star Wars was back in the day, it'd take thousands of words to really get to the meat of the subject. You'd need to examine where the US was historically at that point and what the film industry had been up to the previous decade to really dig into it. A super quick version: 1969: The US puts the first man on the moon. National pride is at a spectacular high. 1973: The US withdraws from the Vietnam war. 1973-4: Watergate scandal, Nixon resigns from office. So in a few short years they'd gone from "We're number 1!" to "Uh, maybe we aren't the plucky underdogs any more" and "Whoo even our highest office is corrupt." As far as the movie industry went, the 70s were particularly dour. Westerns were still being made but they'd swung pretty hard into Western Revisionism so we had Eastwood in High Plains Drifter destroying the town instead of saving it from the bandits and John Wayne being a fat, washed out drunk in Rooster Coburn and a dying man in a dying frontier in The Shootist. You also had Blazing Saddles deconstructing the hell out of the genre. War films had swung from The Green Berets and Where Eagles Dare in '68 to MASH, Catch-22 and Patton in '70. Scifi films had always gone hand in hand with horror and dystopia elements but in '68 we had the campiness of Barbarella and the grandeur of 2001: A Space Odyssey (not to mention TV shows like Star Trek, Lost in Space and The Jetsons) but in the 70s they went hard on the "The future is going to suck!" theme with films like Soylent Green, Logan's Run, Westworld, Rollerball, A Clockwork Orange, etc etc. In general action/drama/thriller films we had the ascent of the anti-hero with films like Dirty Harry, Death Wish, Taxi Driver ... not to mention films like Straw Dogs, Deliverance, Dog Day Afternoon and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest where there weren't any heroes or winners at all. And then along comes A New Hope which was a pro-War film (hey, we're the plucky underdogs again! And we get to fight the Nazis in space!), a pro-space conquest/exploration film (we get to fly fighters jets in space and it's awesome!!) and a pro-Western film (via Samurai films but ANH still leaned heavily on Western tropes especially in characters like Han Solo who is introduced to the audience via a shoot out in a saloon). It had a politician who was prepared to risk everything to do the right thing, a sleazy devil-may-care curmudgeon who turned out to have a heart of gold, a naive farm kid who has The Right Stuff to save the day, etc etc.. America responded by shouting "Holy gently caress we really needed this!" and busting the block for months. Lobok posted:While fact-checking my own post I looked it up on Wikipedia and this poo poo was crazy. Skwirl posted:Does he actually have any control over the rights? I know he had massive creative control over the later movies, but I assumed that was something the studio let him have so he would be in the movies, I don't think he can do anything about a movie that he isn't in. Alexander Hamilton posted:Yeah, we probably had more sway before he tried to do his own F&F with xXx and it bombed.
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I think Vin pulls a lot of weight with the audience. People really identify him with that franchise and it's unsurprising that people want to keep that link there. His other roles are kinda duds or minor - voicing Groot is barely showing up, compared to the Action Hero Star he thinks he is. He's done like 2 live action movies outside of xXx, F&F, Riddick and Last Witch Hunter in the last ten years. The world is straining super hard to accommodate this idea that Vin Diesel Is An Action Movie Star, but the facade is slipping.
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well why not posted:He's done like 2 live action movies outside of xXx, F&F, Riddick and Last Witch Hunter in the last ten years. .... and it's no coincidence that they were also his personal vanity projects which he co-produced. The Last Witch Hunter was apparently based on his D&D witch hunter character. 
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Sep 15, 2017 10:47
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He's done a phenomenal job leveraging a few good movies into what will probably be decades of ego roles. It sounds like I'm dunking on him, but i actually like him, and like his movies. I just find it insane how good his career is given his lack of roles.
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Young Freud posted:It's definitely a film series that almost needs to introduce cyborgs, villains with Dandy-Walker syndrome, commandos in head-to-toe body armor or bomb suits juggernauting their way in, or something to counter the whole instakill headshots trope evident in John Wick. I'm not sure if the joke is that John Wick is playable and vaguely plot-relevant in Payday 2, which also has Hardcore Henry cyborgs in one mission. (all dead from an EMB bomb by the time you encounter them, though)
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The heroes of star wars represent the vc and the empire is america.
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it'd be rad if we had some threads in CineD that weren't about star wars.
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well why not posted:it'd be rad if we had some threads in CineD that weren't about star wars. You could say, you're sure tired of all these star wars?
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well why not posted:it'd be rad if we had some threads in CineD that weren't about star wars. Yeah I don't want this thread to fall to the dark side.
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End this derail, and it will become more powerful than you can ever imagine.
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Taintrunner posted:You know that you really don't care anymore as there's no emotional weight and there's never a meaningful opponent to wick as he carves through infinite dudes running into frame with no regard for their own life Thank you. I really don't understand the appeal of John Wick 1 & 2. They felt so hollow to me. Why should I care about the main character? Am I supposed to be wowed by Reeves killing faceless mooks in the same exact way 1000 times? Am I supposed to think the films are somehow "above" other action movies because the mobs bleed R-rated-ly? Watching them made me wish I was watching Die Hard or Terminator instead kalel fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Why should I care about the main character? Because they killed his puppy.
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Because he's awesome
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To me, John Wick is like the most elevated form of the direct-to-dvd action plot. The cast, choreography and cinematography show that even a fairly threadbare premise can still be entertaining. It makes most other action films look cheap or lazy in comparison. Take away any of those three factors and it'd fail - but luckily they've got those three locked in. That being said, I hope it ends on #3 and they don't try and milk it too hard.
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Thank you. I really don't understand the appeal of John Wick 1 & 2. They felt so hollow to me. Why should I care about the main character? Am I supposed to be wowed by Reeves killing faceless mooks in the same exact way 1000 times? Am I supposed to think the films are somehow "above" other action movies because the mobs bleed R-rated-ly? The first one was great because Mikael Nyqvist owned and it was indeed fun to see Keanu Reeves owning faceless mooks in the same exact way 1000 times because they killed his dog. The second one was ok because it had a 10 minute long reprise of the first movie with Peter Stormare as Mikael Nyqvist, also assassin hobos.
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I mean I'll watch John Wick 3 but I would have preferred it if they would have done a little less with the whole magical assassin world. Hints and clues and background stuff are fine.
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FishBulb posted:I mean I'll watch John Wick 3 but I would have preferred it if they would have done a little less with the whole magical assassin world. Hints and clues and background stuff are fine. It'll be great in JW3 when he kills everyone in the assassin world so all the world building we got in 2 becomes extra meaningless.
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Big question I have is will the assassins piss him off early in the film.
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Grendels Dad posted:The first one was great because Mikael Nyqvist owned and it was indeed fun to see Keanu Reeves owning faceless mooks in the same exact way 1000 times because they killed his dog. The second one was ok because it had a 10 minute long reprise of the first movie with Peter Stormare as Mikael Nyqvist, also assassin hobos. And the Common fight in the subway.
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You know what was a better assassin movie than Chapter 2? Assassin's Creed.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Because they killed his puppy. And stole his car.
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mycot posted:And stole his car. I mean, it all basically boils down to "Theon Greyjoy, fuckin' everything up again".
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Phylodox posted:I mean, it all basically boils down to "Theon Greyjoy, fuckin' everything up again". John Wick should have shot him in the dick. Vincent posted:And the Common fight in the subway. That scene was great, too. John Wick 2 had a lot of great scenes. They just didn't come together as neatly as in the first one.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:F&F's director Rob Cohen and producer Neal H. Moritz also went along with him to make xXx and it made almost as much as The Fast and the Furious domestically (it was only $2 million behind it) and beat it pretty hard internationally. Also Vin managed to talk Universal into giving him $100 million to make a sequel to Pitch Black so they can't have been all that unhappy with him after xXx. Sorry, I meant xXx: The Return of Xander Cage, but then I looked it up and while it didn't make anything here it made almost $400 million internationally so who the gently caress knows?
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Happy Halloween, suckers, because the tricks and treats have begun this weekend on Lifetime! First up on Saturday is Ten: Murder Island, based on a teen novel that said "What if we redid Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians, but with teens?" quote:Based on the teen horror novel by Gretchen McNeil, “Ten: Murder Island” is the story of a weekend retreat gone wrong. When an exclusive invitation arrives for a house party on an island for ten teenagers with no parents, Meg (China Anne McClain, “Descendants 2”) ignores her doubts and decides to go with her best friend Minnie (Cassidy Gifford, “God’s Not Dead”). But when a storm leaves them stuck on the remote island, Meg finds herself navigating frenemies, former crushes, and fools while coming face-to-face with her past and her future. But when each of the teens starts to die off, one by one, Meg must solve the connection between herself and the other guests, none of which may be as innocent as they seem. Rome Flynn also stars in the film. After that on Saturday is the exciting Drink, Slay, Love, another movie based on a teen novel, this one decided that gender-swapping Twilight was pretty cool quote:Pearl (Cierra Ramirez, “The Fosters”) is a typical sixteen-year-old vampire. Fond of blood, allergic to the sun, and generally pretty evil. But after a mysterious attack leaves her able to survive in the daylight, everything changes. Pearl’s powerful family soon finds a way to take advantage of her new ability: they send Pearl to high school, to gather fresh young blood for an upcoming feast in honor of the Vampire King. The only problem is that Pearl is starting to grow a conscience. How can she serve up her new friends — especially the cute guy who makes her fangs ache — to be slaughtered? Then again, she’s definitely dead if she lets her family down. What’s a sun-loving vamp to do? And then Sunday brings us another Twilight redeux with Sea Change, except it ain't vampires, it's selkies! Yes, Irish mermen who take human form on land to seduce the ladies. You will be shocked that this is also based on a teen novel. quote:“Sea Change,” a supernatural drama based on the YA novel by New York Times bestselling author, Aimee Friedman, follows Miranda Merchant (newcomer Emily Rudd) a teen girl on a journey to reunite with her estranged mother Amelia (Maria Dizzia, “Orange is the New Black”), who lives on a seemingly idyllic island off the coast of New England after the death of her father. As Miranda settles into island life, she finds herself torn between TJ (Keenan Tracey, “Supernatural”), heir to one of the oldest Selkie families, and mysterious bad boy Leo (Skyler Maxon, “Faking It”) who is part of the working class “townies.” When Miranda learns about the Seawalkers, who, according to local legend, are half human and half sea creature, she begins to believe that they could be real. As she uncovers more about her family’s past, Miranda makes a startling discovery about her own connections to the Seawalkers. Halloween ain't your thing? Then you will love Hallmark, which is whipping up 33 Christmas movies this year! What if you were having your Secret Santa valor stolen? quote:Secret Santa (Hallmark Channel) Or maybe you'll like this movie that has a weird fixation on new years kisses? quote:Kiss for the New Year (Hallmark Channel) What about this movie that features Ghost Rider himself, Johnny Blaze? quote:Marry Me at Christmas (Hallmark Channel) As you can see, Christmas is magical! Read about all the movies on EW, and be sure to mute the tab because they autoplay a bunch of garbage videos - http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/09/hallmark-christmas-movies-33-when-calls-the-heart/
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Pearl, you are a Daywalker now. And you know what Daywalkers do to bad vampires. Your entire family is just trying to iceskate uphill at this point. Also the only Sea Change I care about is the Transformers episode where the permanentyly-gargling hovercraft falls in love with a transforming Aztec alien elf mermaid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnDsiQXftQo
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Despite Seaspray helping to blow up her city, their relationship was way healthier than Powerglide and Paris Hilton's
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Casimir Radon posted:I think... it sucks that Fincher isn't making more. Same. From what I heard, his adaptations for TGwPwF and TGwKtHN were supposed to be really good deviations from the novels.
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VoodooXT posted:Same. From what I heard, his adaptations for TGwPwF and TGwKtHN were supposed to be really good deviations from the novels.
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