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WampaLord posted:[the democrats are old and dying] If only there was some type of person or organization, who's goals are to encouraging average people to run for office, that the DNC could work with to save their dying party. If only...
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the Elder Lich Council has determined that most people probably aren't going to have time to become politically experienced enough to hold high office by the time they're 70 meanwhile, Trump
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Jul 31, 2017 14:45
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pelosi's new message for people being brutalized by trump:  yronic:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJgM4_C3gvE&t=54s
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Jul 31, 2017 14:47
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Oh well I guess I will have to live with being an Elizabeth Warrenailure centrist. How terrible.
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yronic heroism posted:Oh well I guess I will have to live with being a centrist. How terrible.  centrists are p terrible. can't even be bothered to try to win, and then complain when people that aren't mainstream democrats try to win instead
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Jul 31, 2017 14:49
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I would say she is a center-leftist with certain careerist tendencies that could bring her to the center if not acquiesce to center-right policies (ie the Democratic mainstream).
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Jul 31, 2017 14:50
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What have you won?
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Jul 31, 2017 14:56
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yronic heroism posted:What have you won? Ytlaya posted:Ah, here's the wonderful "have you considered leftists have not already won
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" argument I mentioned in my earlier post.
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He's trying so hard to win you guys and the people are with him. Clearly with effort plus popularity plus not being an idiot Elizabeth Warren centrist he must win all the politics.
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yronic heroism posted:What have you won? we're going to try to win with candidates like jaffe and swearengin and iron stache and quist. centrists are unconcerned with winning on the other hand. that makes them really terrible and worthless, hth Condiv fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 15:02
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it's nice you finally dropped the mask and admitted you're in favor of the suicidal wing of the dem party though
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Jul 31, 2017 15:05
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I like the way Elizabeth talks but she seems like the dems McCain, talks about accountability for the elite but the results are not there. That's probably horrible of me though, I'm sure she gets a lot done I don't know about. Also I have a huge amount of respect for McCain, I just don't like his voting record.
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Jul 31, 2017 15:13
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Condiv posted:we're going to try to win with candidates like jaffe and swearengin and iron stache and quist. centrists are unconcerned with winning on the other hand. that makes them really terrible and worthless, hth I'm sure they'll all win then because you're trying so hard! 
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Jul 31, 2017 15:16
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yronic heroism posted:I'm sure they'll all win then because you're trying so hard! As opposed to you. You're not trying at all. You're not putting any effort in. Why should you need to? You don't need effort. You don't need anything. A Trump presidency is probably good for you.
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Jul 31, 2017 15:18
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yronic heroism posted:I'm sure they'll all win then because you're trying so hard! that's very rich coming from the guy supporting the "let's lose 2018! who cares!" wing of the party. it's sad how much you're flailing 
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Jul 31, 2017 15:18
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Condiv posted:that's very rich coming from the guy supporting the "let's lose 2018! who cares!" wing of the party. it's sad how much you're flailing Well I'm sure you'll win a bunch of primaries if your sworn enemies aren't even trying.
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Jul 31, 2017 15:24
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yronic heroism posted:Well I'm sure you'll win a bunch of primaries if your sworn enemies aren't even trying. oh, they'll try to gently caress with the primaries however they can. they don't care too much about winning against republicans, but they do care about keeping the scary left out of power. we might make their taxes higher! i'm surprised you even keep trying to defend your failed ideology in this thread. it's a cancer on the democratic party
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yronic heroism posted:Well I'm sure you'll win a bunch of primaries if your sworn enemies aren't even trying. At this point, you're just consciously misinterpreting arguments to try to make witty retorts
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What evidence do you have they aren't trying to win the general? If your only argument is "they lost to Trump  " don't bother.
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Jul 31, 2017 15:31
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leftists like fdr were some of the most popular presidents ever, but centrists would rather lose than have to deal with someone like that. to quote a famous centrist (who yronic heroism undoubtedly loves): "I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.”
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galenanorth posted:At this point, you're just consciously misinterpreting arguments to try to make witty retorts Or I'm just pushing back against histrionic bullshit and ad hominems. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 15:32
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yronic heroism posted:I do not think that term means what you think it means. The term generally refers to neoliberal/New Democrat style politicians (which itself is shorthand for "does what corporations like") so actually he's quite correct.
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Jul 31, 2017 15:33
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yronic heroism posted:What evidence do you have they aren't trying to win the general? If your only argument is "they lost to Trump nancy pelosi says winning is unimportant in 2018. the dem party leadership saying winning is unimportant tends to mean they aren't trying to win. hth
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Condiv posted:leftists like fdr were some of the most popular presidents ever, but centrists would rather lose than have to deal with someone like that. to quote a famous centrist (who yronic heroism undoubtedly loves): "I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.” gently caress off. Blair sucks.
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Condiv posted:nancy pelosi says winning is unimportant in 2018. the dem party leadership saying winning is unimportant tends to mean they aren't trying to win. hth Post a quote then. I haven't heard it. Guess I'm not as obsessed with Nancy p as you.
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Jul 31, 2017 15:35
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Condiv posted:we're going to try to win with candidates like jaffe and swearengin and iron stache and quist. centrists are unconcerned with winning on the other hand. that makes them really terrible and worthless, hth p dumb of pelosi: winning was the only reason to support the hillary wing
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yronic heroism posted:Post a quote then. I haven't heard it. Guess I'm not as obsessed with Nancy p as you. already did. if you can't be bothered to read, that's not my problem yronic heroism posted:gently caress off. Blair sucks. i'm sure 
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i am now a bernie bro because only the bernie wing cares about winning any more
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:p dumb of pelosi: winning was the only reason to support the hillary wing well, we already knew they sucked at it, especially after hillary flubbed the election. i'm not sure how embracing being a failure makes pelosi a master legislator, but she apparently believes that too. maybe she's becoming senile? it seems a lot of the dem leadership is in the stage of life where they should be in a nursing home, not running our country into the ground. WhiskeyJuvenile posted:i am now a bernie bro because only the bernie wing cares about winning any more bout time
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Condiv posted:nancy pelosi says winning is unimportant in 2018. the dem party leadership saying winning is unimportant tends to mean they aren't trying to win. hth Fortunately doesn't look like she said that, and if your sworn enemy does say a thing, why do you only believe the thing if it's convenient for scoring points in an internet argument? Oh right, because you're a hack.
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yronic heroism posted:Fortunately doesn't look like she said that, and if your sworn enemy does say a thing, why do you only believe the thing if it's convenient for scoring points in an internet argument? lol yeah she did say it was unimportant hth And why shouldn't I believe nancy pelosi wrt the dem party strategy? She's one of its leaders
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Condiv: You quoted earlier quote:House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Sunday said it is “unimportant” for Democrats to win the midterm elections in 2018. http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/30/pelosi-midterm-elections-so-unimportant however quote:House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) was asked on "Fox News Sunday" whether she'll run for speaker if Democrats win back the House in 2018. The question's exact words were "What are the chances Democrats win back the House in 2018, and if so, will you run for Speaker?" It looks like she was asked both questions at the same time, answered the latter one, and FOX News initially reported it as answering the first one galenanorth fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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galenanorth posted:Condiv: 
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"Completely misquote Nancy Pelosi" is now a cottage industry, I swear. And Jeff Stein is its Thomas Kinkade.
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galenanorth posted:Condiv: I'm sure condiv will immediately retract rather than digging in over his sworn enemy brushing off a Chris Wallace (who is smugdog made flesh) question.
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Nice to see the days of putting forward alt-history scenarios when video evidence has already been posted are rapidly approaching their middle.yronic heroism posted:I'm sure they'll all win then because you're trying so hard! What would you like to see? If medicare for all, high wages and equitable tax rates are nonstarters for you, what would you like to see? Are you gonna be like that other guy where I asked him half a dozen times what his actual ideas, opinions and sentiments were and he couldn't answer? yronic heroism posted:Or I'm just pushing back against histrionic bullshit and ad hominems. Pushing connotates effort on your part--though i'll grant if posting volume is any indicator you seem capable of staring at a monitor far longer than I, which isn't literally nothing.
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galenanorth posted:Condiv: I'm sure she really thinks winning is important, which is why she champions tax cuts for job training instead of actually popular policy that addresses the needs of americans Also  that you think someone who can put their foot in their mouth like that should be leaderCondiv fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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D.N. Nation posted:"Completely misquote Nancy Pelosi" is now a cottage industry, I swear. And Jeff Stein is its Thomas Kinkade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf8AqIFWYM8 Sorry, she wasn't misquoted, she's just an idiot
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Jul 31, 2017 16:23
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Condiv posted:House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Sunday said it is “unimportant” for Democrats to win the midterm elections in 2018. Post this every day on the DLC's Twitter accounts until Pelosi retires. 
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galenanorth posted:It looks like she was asked both questions at the same time, answered the latter one, and FOX News initially reported it as answering the first one It is a fair answer for both. It's reasonable to not speculate on future outcomes and focus on running the race with integrity, except we've seen bits of the Dem platform going into midterms and it's tax credits, so what the hell IS she focusing on aside from a barely-restrained panic attack?
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