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Does the Jewish god enjoy getting laywer-balled?
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Apr 15, 2015 13:43
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canis minor posted:I don't know if it's real or not, but it makes me question Judaism: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat I'm not anti-religion or anything but when your hot religious topics include debating whether using a loving lightswitch will piss god off, you might need to evaluate the relevancy of your beliefs. Worked for Carl Sagan.
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Apr 15, 2015 13:52
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canis minor posted:I don't know if it's real or not, but it makes me question Judaism: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat Man, I remember seeing something like this years ago on TV. I don't remember what exactly or where it was, on the Daily Show or something, where they showed devout Jewish people who couldn't press an elevator button on the Sabbath, but they COULD turn a specially-designed knob instead. It's like, what. Turning this knob still calls an elevator, just in a slightly different way than pressing a button would have?? Why does God make a distinction about that
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Apr 15, 2015 13:55
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It seems to hinge on non-determinism, but over a long enough time period the probability of it turning off the light approaches 1 which seems pretty deterministic to me. If non-determinism is all you needed they could use voice commands that ignore you 20% of the time. Either way it isn't making a choice in the same way the sassy Jamaican lady was.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:01
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If I have learned anything about Judaism on the Internet, it's that they love to rules-lawyer God constantly.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:09
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There's a prohibition on talking about weekday matters on Shabbat, so it seems like it would be a violation to ask the Jamaican lady to flip a switch. Then again thousands of years of rule lawyering beats ten minutes of googling.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:20
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canis minor posted:I don't know if it's real or not, but it makes me question Judaism: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat I'm going to showcase my own ignorance on this one but I have absolutely no idea why this is necessary.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:28
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:I'm going to showcase my own ignorance on this one but I have absolutely no idea why this is necessary. YHVH doesn't always make rule that make sense. He makes rules to make sure you will need the help and validation of 10 theological experts to know if you are doing things correctly. It's an interesting business model.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:33
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:YHVH doesn't always make rule that make sense. He makes rules to make sure you will need the help and validation of 10 theological experts to know if you are doing things correctly. It's an interesting business model. Apropos nothing, happy US tax day!
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Apr 15, 2015 14:37
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canis minor posted:I don't know if it's real or not, but it makes me question Judaism: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat Lol, the minimal support pledge is chai (18) dollars. I don't know if that means it's a joke or that it's totally serious.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:59
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Elliotw2 posted:If I have learned anything about Judaism on the Internet, it's that they love to rules-lawyer God constantly. This. It's forbidden for Jews to carry certain objects outside their own homes on shabbos; the literal admonition is against "transferring something from one domain type to another domain type," so transferring an item from a private domain (your house) to a public domain (the neighborhood street) is right out. Solution: Use fences or in some cases even just a symbolic wire or string around the neighborhood, to make it all one domain type! Then everyone can carry what they need and still obey the law. Local example: http://lowermerioneruv.org/wordpress/?page_id=62 Bonus rules-lawyering: quote:In addition, we have designated food for a common meal for all the Jewish residents within the area of the “eruv” and placed it in a location accessible to all, in this case in a wooden box in the coat room of the Lower Merion Synagogue. This common meal—a box of matzot—combines all the Jews in the area as sharing residence in one common property, fulfilling the second requirement. This meal is called “eruvei chatzeirot”, combining of courtyards, hence the colloquial use of term “eruv” for the enclosure itself. Feynman has some good anecdotes as well. I think that switch is the opposite of an awful kickstarter, it's pretty brilliant.
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Apr 15, 2015 15:23
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:I'm going to showcase my own ignorance on this one but I have absolutely no idea why this is necessary. Orthodox Jews aren't allowed to "work" on Shabbat, which is sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, and no "working" means no turning lights on or off. Normally they hire a local gentile to do it for them.
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Apr 15, 2015 15:42
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The general life rule of "don't work on one day of the week" sounds like excellent life advice, especially when working consisted of hard labor in a desert for lots of people But taking it to the extent of "don't flip a lightswitch or carry a thing (any thing) outside" makes it sound a bit silly And then to try to get around it by rules-lawyering a random-number-generator lightswitch thing, to allow you to double-indirectly turn a light on/off... 
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Apr 15, 2015 15:54
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lifg posted:Orthodox Jews aren't allowed to "work" on Shabbat, which is sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, and no "working" means no turning lights on or off. It's also because turning on an incandescent bulb is like "lighting a fire" and "cooking metal", closing the electrical circuit is like "the final hammer blow" and it's all prohibited too. Modern technologies are endless sources of fun for orthodox Jews.
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Apr 15, 2015 15:59
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Also every once and a while a bunch of them die because they do things like leave hotplates on all weekend and cause massive fires.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:16
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I've come across a couple articles listing which ways of 'tricking' gentiles into doing stuff for them are acceptable. Put a chocolate bar in a dark room, and tell the gentile it is a gift. The gentile will turn on the lights in order to find the chocolate.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:18
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But you cant use a grochlo ond the machli in the shabass :O
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Apr 15, 2015 16:20
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Germstore posted:I've come across a couple articles listing which ways of 'tricking' gentiles into doing stuff for them are acceptable. Is it acceptable to trick a gentile into killing someone they hate?
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Apr 15, 2015 16:28
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Elliotw2 posted:If I have learned anything about Judaism on the Internet, it's that they love to rules-lawyer God constantly. Religion makes people do some weird loving poo poo man.  An RNG lightswitch, I've seen it all.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:29
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Germstore posted:Does the Jewish god enjoy getting laywer-balled? Yes actually
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Apr 15, 2015 16:31
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The Iron Rose posted:Yes actually Just asking, because the generally much chiller Christian god would flip some tables over that poo poo.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:33
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I know I shouldn't laugh at other people's religions, but this KickStarter for an anti-masturbation app is quite amazing. Seriously, go read the whole thing.quote:Those striving to break the habit should be wary of anyone who approaches and asks them to "go rub one out," or who invites them to a "pole greasing party," or a "knob polishing gala." These events are but a few of the tools the Lubricatti use to lead us down the proverbial and possibly literal slippery slope.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:34
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 That's gotta be a joke project dude.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:36
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QUACKTASTIC posted:What are you going to do after you're 20? Continue living and being poor.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:50
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:It's also because turning on an incandescent bulb is like "lighting a fire" and "cooking metal", closing the electrical circuit is like "the final hammer blow" and it's all prohibited too. Modern technologies are endless sources of fun for orthodox Jews. My concern is what happens with someone forgets to set the Shabbat switch in advance; I'm gonna start a Kickstarter for the Kosher-Kosherswitch-Switch to fix that problem.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:06
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Judaism has had six thousand years of human atrocity to get painfully, awkwardly set in their ways. You just wait for 7000AD, when all NuYorkrs must yearly sacrifice a tourist to the R-train for daring to stand on the left hand of the escalator.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:11
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So are motion-detecting lights approved or not? Do you perform "work" by walking into a room and causing the light to turn on?
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Apr 15, 2015 17:40
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mobby_6kl posted:So are motion-detecting lights approved or not? Do you perform "work" by walking into a room and causing the light to turn on? Start here: Rav Elyashiv Knohl in Techumin 23 pp. 278-286 Then: Tossafot, Tractate Shabbat 47b s.v. Mipnei. You might then want to compare: Techumin 23 pp. 277 Oh and: Shulchan Aruch OC 334:22 That should give you a warmup to enter the discussion. But generally, yes, motion sensors are not kosher because they are 'aino mitkaven' meaning you intend the forbidden outcome of lights turning on. So, if you don't know the room is motion sensor equipped, you're okay with a little atonement for good measure, but if you know the room has motion sensor lights you're violating the law. It's acceptable to have someone else enter the room though and then enter after them, but you cannot stay longer than the length of the motion sensor automatic shutoff because then you will be doing work that keeps the lights on. pathetic little tramp has a new favorite as of 17:55 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 17:51
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I would think a motion sensor would be okay as long as it if incorrectly turns off the light you don't wave your arms or whatever. I'm gonna make a million by hooking up Kinects to light switches.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:59
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One of my favorites is the Shabbat lamp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_lamp You can't turn on a light? Just leave it on all day and leave it covered most of them time! Game, Set, Match, HaShem!
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Apr 15, 2015 18:21
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pathetic little tramp posted:... Oh man, that's amazing. My  tendencies would make this by far the favorite religion, if I were religious that is.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:37
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It feels like someone, somewhere along the line, forgot what the words "work" and "rest" meant, and decided that all things that result in something useful happening were work.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:40
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GigaPeon posted:One of my favorites is the Shabbat lamp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_lamp You're not allowed to turn a light on or off but you are allowed to move the light in and out of cover or just open or close blinds for that matter? None of this poo poo makes any sense. Also  at religion requiring you to leave the power on all day. What about the environment, Yahweh!?Cheez posted:It feels like someone, somewhere along the line, forgot what the words "work" and "rest" meant, and decided that all things that result in something useful happening were work. More that religious decrees that sound pretty simple end up having unforseen consequences or ambiguous interpretations. The really orthodox followers are generally going to err on the side of caution, so the rules just slowly shift towards being more and more ridiculous.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:41
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Cheez posted:It feels like someone, somewhere along the line, forgot what the words "work" and "rest" meant, and decided that all things that result in something useful happening were work. They didn't forget it, it's been decided by literally thousands of years of arguing.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:47
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stillvisions posted:My concern is what happens with someone forgets to set the Shabbat switch in advance; I'm gonna start a Kickstarter for the Kosher-Kosherswitch-Switch to fix that problem. Hey, you're going to kill the Shabbat goy economy!
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Apr 15, 2015 18:48
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Now I wonder if the Six Day War was only six days because if they went one more day they'd have to stop fighting.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:48
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Selling bad RPG Maker quality games hasn't stopped Kemco from making GBS threads out a ton of mobile games, or that studio that made FFD and the  ports of FF5 and FF6.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:51
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hypercapital/hypercapital-experiment-testnet-apis ahahaha
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Apr 15, 2015 19:20
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calusari posted:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hypercapital/hypercapital-experiment-testnet-apis  Time works the same way.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Now I wonder if the Six Day War was only six days because if they went one more day they'd have to stop fighting. The army has only just started drafting Orthodox Jews.
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