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TOOT BOOT posted:Yeah maybe he should have thought about that before he murdered literally dozens of people. I'm sure his accommodations are fine. a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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if his plan was to kill all the white children so they go to viking heaven before they get converted into muslimists, He Succeeded.
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Jun 10, 2017 08:59
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Wizchine posted:It means the whole "martyr" idea is dumb and shouldn't be used an excuse to prevent his execution. Nothing's going to "prevent" his execution because there's no death penalty. And you're wrong, he'd absolutely become a martyr.
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Jun 10, 2017 08:59
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Grevling posted:Nothing's going to "prevent" his execution because there's no death penalty. And you're wrong, he'd absolutely become a martyr.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:02
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He's already a living martyr
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Jun 10, 2017 09:02
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Kleen_TheRacistDog posted:I'm counting the days until he's released. He's basically Europe's last hope at this point. All of his predictions are coming true. He'll be like a better version of Nelson Mandela - released from prison and triumphantly take his throne. He'll get released??? What the gently caress? I can admire a country that uses prison for rehabilitation, but some people don't need to get out.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:15
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It's very important that we rehabilitate this dude who killed 70 kids
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Jun 10, 2017 09:20
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I imagine they're going to extend his sentence indefinitely.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:21
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Breivik was really the worst-case scenario when it comes to a "lone wolf" terrorist. Totally insane but he also did a great deal of planning and he basically did what he set out to accomplish, which was a gruesome and pathetic murder spree targeting defenseless kids. In terms of terrorists he was about as bad as they get.Grevling posted:I imagine they're going to extend his sentence indefinitely.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:23
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TOOT BOOT posted:Yeah maybe he should have thought about that before he murdered literally dozens of people. I'm sure his accommodations are fine. oh gently caress yeah theyre more than fine. he deserves the american prison system
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Jun 10, 2017 09:35
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Him changing his name fits with the profile of these guys as basically adopting a role and a character that eventually devours the fragmented, broken ego that used to exist. I call it Tyler Durdening. Breivik was Tyler Durdening all over the place. I guess he hasn't changed much. I've posted about this before but with mass shooters, terrorists, etc. they are essentially "acting" in a really extreme way. Hence why so many will take pictures of themselves posing with weapons and having cold, dead stares. It's like a really obscene form of LARPing. The Charleston shooter, who was this kid with a bowl haircut from South Carolina, became "the last Rhodesian." His "heroic" guerrilla war involved executing elderly people in a church. The loser virgin Elliot Rodger believed he was transforming into a warrior god -- his actions amounted to murdering his roommates and going on a drive-by shooting spree. Breivik created an entire RPG sourcebook-style "manifesto" detailing a fictional Christian nationalist state -- complete with uniforms, which he designed himself -- that is supposed to take over Europe several decades from now. He also believed his actions were a necessary precondition for it to happen; an apocalyptic act that is self-destructive but also a form of personal transformation. The psychology behind that is the freakiest part to me. Breivik's actions followed an internal kind of logic, though while delusional, isn't a schizo kind of insanity. He was able to plan and implement his crimes in a "rational," calculated manner and feel really good while doing it -- probably better than at any point in his entire life. He was apparently repeatedly saying "oh wow" to himself as he shot people.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:42
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Fartbox posted:He's already a living martyr The only way to prevent his martyrdom is to break him as a person. No one can consider him a hero once there's a non-stop stream of footage of him breaking down like a bitch, apologizing to every single victim by name, and confessing to attempting suicide multiple times. Back in the day, they let researchers try insanely invasive forms of psychotherapy on murderers. It never worked on a small minority class of criminals they called psychopaths, but for everyone else, it hosed them up good. Just get Brevik a work permit and quietly drive him by my Uncle's moose ranch out near Töcksfors. Between the psychotropics we make in the old barn and the electric prod we call The Empathizer, I'm convinced in four days tops, we can have him sobbing for the rest of his life
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Kleen_TheRacistDog posted:I'm counting the days until he's released. He's basically Europe's last hope at this point. All of his predictions are coming true. He'll be like a better version of Nelson Mandela - released from prison and triumphantly take his throne.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:57
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Caufman posted:Just get Brevik a work permit and quietly drive him by my Uncle's moose ranch out near Töcksfors. Between the psychotropics we make in the old barn and the electric prod we call The Empathizer, I'm convinced in four days tops, we can have him sobbing for the rest of his life
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Jun 10, 2017 09:58
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a hole-y ghost posted:alternatively just fake some footage of him apologizing and whatever and stuff the real guy down the garbage disposal. We're definitely willing to do that at no extra cost if our logos-torture-therapy doesn't work. And it's not a guarantee that it will. But man oh man, when it works, it does not disappoint. Take a goon, an adult who cannot function due to their own self-nurtured self-hatred. Now imagine that same person with something actually lovely to feel bad about. You cannot believe the levels of pathetic you will see. And then we can still "accidentally" drop in the moose chipper.
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Jun 10, 2017 10:24
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He is a terrible human being.
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Jun 10, 2017 10:36
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Caufman posted:We're definitely willing to do that at no extra cost if our logos-torture-therapy doesn't work. And it's not a guarantee that it will. you sound like a real winner
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Jun 10, 2017 10:51
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actually if you read up on his prison situation hes not living comfortably, ps2 or not. hes essentially locked in a cell 23 hours a day with no inmate contact, his only socialization is with the guards and a military chaplain twice a month. hes doing extremely hard time
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Jun 10, 2017 10:56
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the great deceiver posted:actually if you read up on his prison situation hes not living comfortably, ps2 or not. hes essentially locked in a cell 23 hours a day with no inmate contact, his only socialization is with the guards and a military chaplain twice a month. hes doing extremely hard time Part of the conservative american paradigm is that "liberal" countries that don't have the death penalty are soft on crime. They fail to mention that their incarceration / crime rates are also way lower. Doesn't matter... because they're a bunch of loving pussies lol!
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Jun 10, 2017 11:01
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Lemon posted:you sound like a real winner Nothing doing, sir! Just a real sinner.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:03
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a hole-y ghost posted:Hes going to brutally murder all of the white race once he gets out, and extinguish the root of western civilization forever. He will claim his throne at the head of mongolic neo nazis who will stomp out the last remaining light of european accomplishment. He will be rehabilitated by 21 years of intensive psychotherapy and be released as a happy, functioning human being and then open a daycare facility focused on diversity and integrating immigrant children from poor socio-economic backgrounds. All the kids will be on a first name basis with him.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:53
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Grevling posted:I imagine they're going to extend his sentence indefinitely. Thats against human rights to arbitarily extend prison sentences, maybe he should complain about that instead of his ps3
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Jun 10, 2017 12:40
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Take all the mass shooters, give them guns and parachute them onto Mass Shooter Island way out in the middle of the ocean somewhere.
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Jun 10, 2017 13:04
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a hole-y ghost posted:Man...if they make this guy into a martyr for norwegian white nationalists they'll massacre the rest of the white children in no time. Hm good point let's fry this turkey
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Jun 10, 2017 13:08
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moose face posted:Part of the conservative american paradigm is that "liberal" countries that don't have the death penalty are soft on crime. They fail to mention that their incarceration / crime rates are also way lower. Doesn't matter... because they're a bunch of loving pussies lol! I doubt theres a direct causative relationship, though. They probably have less crime because they have more social cohesion, better income equality, and less of an immobile underclass. Because there's less crime, people don't feel the need for harsher punishments. As Europe continues to deteriorate on these fronts, expect them to become more like us
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Jun 10, 2017 13:13
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Just loling at all the people itt who think that the best way to react to a man who declared a one one man war on Scandinavian liberal humanist values is to abandon those values by reinstituting the death penalty. That'll show him.
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Jun 10, 2017 13:18
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I guess it doesnt really matter which name this little fucktwit has, since he will never be a free man anyway
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Jun 10, 2017 13:27
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The punishment vs. rehabilitation argument misses the point. I'd say the primary function of prison should be to protect the public from convicted criminals. Whether punishment or rehabilitation is chosen should be based on experience and research evidence as to which practice (or combination of practices) ultimately prevents future crime. In cases where the horrific nature of the crime (such as mass or serial murder) creates such a public safety concern that lifetime imprisonment seems reasonable and likely, one could argue for a prison environment more on the punishment end of the spectrum for increased deterrence. The counterargument would be that you open up a can of worms by instilling elements of the system with a nonuniform sense of justice. There is also the fact that the justice system is not perfect so a given percentage of prisoners are actually not guilty of the crimes they were convicted for. The need for deterrence via punishment must be weighed against the human rights of this small percentage. I think one of the most critical unknowns at this point (to me anyways) is statistical evidence on the level of deterrence yielded by various forms of sentencing. I've heard second hand that there is evidence that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent. If this is in fact the best evidence we have then it would be reasonable to say that the death penalty should be abolished for the sake of the percentage of people on death row who slipped through the cracks and are actually not guilty.
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Jun 10, 2017 14:01
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Criminals need to be punished at least a bit in order to prevent vigilante retribution by angry victims and their families.
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Jun 10, 2017 14:02
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MK Ultra could provide a decent guide to helping rehabilitate fash like Breivik. Sensory deprivation + research chemicals for a few years and he'd be totally safe to release back into society (as a vegetable)
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:I doubt theres a direct causative relationship, though. They probably have less crime because they have more social cohesion, better income equality, and less of an immobile underclass. Because there's less crime, people don't feel the need for harsher punishments. Naaaaaah, there is a very well established causal relationship between bad prison conditions and recidivism. The only argument for harsher punishment(beyond a reasonable minimum amount) are the hurt little feelings of the victims and the public. Beyond that it's a really bad idea and hurts everyone, including those victims and the public.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Criminals need to be punished at least a bit in order to prevent vigilante retribution by angry victims and their families. Nah, just have society begin and end with family being as far as loyalty and civility extends. I imagine it will be something like Dune, with house wars.
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Jun 10, 2017 14:19
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Randarkman posted:This is not Sweden you poo poo. Aw is da widdle reindeer man mad
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Jun 10, 2017 15:03
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CaptainBtaksDad posted:Thats against human rights to arbitarily extend prison sentences, maybe he should complain about that instead of his ps3 You're right, I mean, who hasn't mass murdered at least once in their life? I give him the benefit of the doubt, too bad the establishment won't.
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Jun 10, 2017 15:38
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Is it not actually more humane to put the villain down than to lock him in a tiny box for the rest of his life? makes u thifjnk
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Jun 10, 2017 15:48
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I was expecting Nazi McFuckface but good on ya, buddy
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Jun 10, 2017 15:49
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Fartbox posted:What the heck is the point of keeping this monster alive
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Elukka posted:The issue is not Breivik. The issue is when you start making exceptions your legal system is irrevocably changed and I don't think Breivik is important enough to break what seems to be a pretty well working system by all accounts. if anyone thinks that the US death penalty is "more efficient" or "cheaper" I'm sorry, but you'll have to look into other countries with much more cost effective death penalties, like China or Yemen.
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moose face posted:Part of the conservative american paradigm is that "liberal" countries that don't have the death penalty are soft on crime. They fail to mention that their incarceration / crime rates are also way lower. Doesn't matter... because they're a bunch of loving pussies lol! I live in Ireland and we have a fairly liberal justice system and it is loving poo poo and causes a bunch of problems in society. The cops actually do a pretty good job despite some recent scandals but once cases get to court it is an absolute poo poo show. Murder charges are routinely bumped down to manslaughter (7-8 year sentence) because a murder charge is ridiculously hard to make stick here as judges will try their damnedest to find "mitigating circumstances" because they think anyone who has committed a serious crime is a poor unfortunate downtrodden type. Also, our life sentence works out at about 17 years on average. We routinely have people with triple digit priors who are only in their 20s getting bail rather than a custodial sentence and then committing serious offences within days, if not hours of release. You can commit multiple offences and your sentences will run concurrently meaning you are really only getting sentenced for the "worst" one. People have straight up stone-cold killed someone in this country and are back walking the streets in 6ish years because they were drunk/high when they did it.
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spudsbuckley posted:I live in Ireland and we have a fairly liberal justice system and it is loving poo poo and causes a bunch of problems in society. *tweets "I think maybe we should reconsider this completely unchecked flood of middle eastern refu-"* *is interrupted by sound of cops kicking in door*
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