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Pontificating Ass: Aug 2, 2002; What Doth Life?

GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:

Immediately after the verdict it was announced he wouldn't be back.

weird

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:48

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Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

Death to police death to Israel and death to America

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:49

Pontificating Ass: Aug 2, 2002; What Doth Life?

Blue Train posted:

Death to police death to Israel and death to America

tough but fair

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:49

Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

FactsAreUseless posted:

Serious question, SPH, do you have hobbies? Do you do anything with your life other than talk about how terrible liberals and minorities are online? That's literally all you post about.

It's because we're beating the same horse and it's not going anywhere.

We need to say "Yes, black men commit a grossly disparate amount of homicides. Why?"

The answer is the drug war.

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Sweaty IT Nerd: Jul 13, 2007

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

It's because we're beating the same horse and it's not going anywhere.

We need to say "Yes, black men commit a grossly disparate amount of homicides. Why?"

The answer is the drug war.

*dumb smoke bomb*

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Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

Cum... skin?

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:51

Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

Young African American males are raised with hyper violent role models and dreams of money at any cost, even their lives.

This is much more of a problem then "racist cops"

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:52

VikingSkull: Jan 23, 2017; Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Cum... skin?

acceptable term in modern society I guess

I have no idea what it means

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:52

damn horror queefs: Oct 14, 2005; say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

Those of you who are black and justifiably frightened of getting gunned down by police without provocation should move to Canada.

Our cops are only free to murder Natives and the mentally ill! You're safe!! :canada:

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:53

Pontificating Ass: Aug 2, 2002; What Doth Life?

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Young African American males are raised with hyper violent role models and dreams of money at any cost, even their lives.

This is much more of a problem then "racist cops"

*cop kills man for reaching in glove compartment*

let me tell you about the hyper-violent blacks

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:53

Putty: Mar 21, 2013; HOOKED ON THE BROTHERS

hold it right there, semenhide

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:53

Boner Zone: Jan 14, 2006; by Nyc_Tattoo

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Is it the police's fault that 6.5% of the population (black men) commit 50% of all the homicides?

how do you explain this discrepancy?

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:54

Sweaty IT Nerd: Jul 13, 2007

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Young African American males are raised with hyper violent role models and dreams of money at any cost, even their lives.

This is much more of a problem then "racist cops"

Pity about your posting.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:54

VikingSkull: Jan 23, 2017; Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Putty posted:

hold it right there, semenhide

stop or I'll shoot, jizzgenes

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:54

Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

Boner Zone posted:

how do you explain this discrepancy?

Drug war

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:54

Sweaty IT Nerd: Jul 13, 2007

VikingSkull posted:

stop or I'll shoot, jizzgenes

OK

Easy now. No one needs to get hurt.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:55

Pontificating Ass: Aug 2, 2002; What Doth Life?

the problem is hyperviolent cumskins

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Supreme Allah: Oct 6, 2004; everybody relax, i'm here; Nap Ghost

Sintax posted:

*cop kills man for reaching in glove compartment*

let me tell you about the hyper-violent blacks

that young black man! was reaching!

the hero cop was within his rights to unload all 14.

But before we declare him innocent, he should get a 6 month paid break.

for the stress he's under.

for the murder he did.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:56

VikingSkull: Jan 23, 2017; Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

...and the pitch! posted:

OK

Easy now. No one needs to get hurt.

cease and desist ejaculate epidermis

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Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

Sintax posted:

the problem is hyperviolent cumskins

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:57

Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

Sintax posted:

*cop kills man for reaching in glove compartment*

let me tell you about the hyper-violent blacks

Yes, those 0-5 unjustified police homicides per year really stack up

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:57

Putty: Mar 21, 2013; HOOKED ON THE BROTHERS

your days of crime are about to come to an end, splooge-rind

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:57

Sweaty IT Nerd: Jul 13, 2007

VikingSkull posted:

cease and desist ejaculate epidermis

First of all they're jazzgenes

BLAM

BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM

BLAMBLAM

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:58

Pontificating Ass: Aug 2, 2002; What Doth Life?

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Yes, those 0-5 unjustified police homicides per year really stack up

perhaps the debate is actually about what is justified you silly spoogeskin

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:58

Knives Amilli: Sep 26, 2014

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Young African American males are raised with hyper violent role models and dreams of money at any cost, even their lives.

This is much more of a problem then "racist cops"

and what does this have anything to do with Philando Castile being unjustifiably shot by a complete moron?

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:59

Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

Sintax posted:

perhaps the debate is actually about what is justified you silly spoogeskin

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

You do realize that the police have to deal with people with guns and poo poo right

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:00

Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

Supreme Allah posted:

that young black man! was reaching!

the hero cop was within his rights to unload all 14.

But before we declare him innocent, he should get a 6 month paid break.

for the stress he's under.

for the murder he did.

Murder is pretty stressful stuff, let me tell ya

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:01

Sweaty IT Nerd: Jul 13, 2007

He said he was a CCW and the cop told him to go for paperwork and then shot him.

This is why Fog Tripper hasn't had anything to say.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:01

Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

You do realize that the police have to deal with people with guns and poo poo right

Not this time tho

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VikingSkull: Jan 23, 2017; Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

it's off to the big house with you, manbutter membrane

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:02

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

quote:

In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382
were of another or unknown race).

But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

But wait, that's just the Washington Post!

Here's the Bureau of Justice Statistics report of arrest-related deaths from 2003-2009. Note that this is just arrest-related, so wouldn't count the Castile shooting. It's the most up-to-date official survey I could find.

quote:

Of reported persons who died during the process of arrest, 95 percent were male. About 42 percent were white, 32 percent were black/African American and 20 percent were Hispanic or Latino. More than half (55 percent) were between ages 25 and 44, and juveniles (persons under age 18) were about three percent of all arrest-related deaths.

There it is again. Yes, most of the deaths were white... but they were disproportionately black. Whites are a lot more than 42 percent of the population, and black people are significantly less. The entire survey is available in pdf. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf

Turns out that racists don't understand statistics, no big shock there since these exact same scientific-racism statistical tactics have been used since the 19th century to say that black people are less than whites and deserve their treatment. And when you cite "black people are arrested at a great rate for crimes than whites," that's true. Except it's a very, very well-documented fact that black people are arrested at disproportionate rates, not that that they commit crime at disproportionate rates.

Here's another Bureau of Justice Statistics survey often misunderstood by racists: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

Now consider this:

quote:

First, according to the 2008 data, which is the most recent comprehensive data published by the Justice Department on violent crime victimizations, that year there were approximately 3.6 million violent crimes involving a single-offender. These crimes include assault, both simple and aggravated (mostly simple), robbery, and sexual assault or rape. Of those 3.6 million violent crimes, whites committed 2.1 million of them (58.4%) while blacks committed about 830,000 (22.8%) About 442,000 (or 12%) involved perpetrators whose race was not known to the victim. Thus, for crimes where the race of the perpetrator was known to the victims (about 3.2 million crimes), whites would have committed about 66 percent (two-thirds) and blacks about 26 percent (one-fourth). If we assume the same rough racial distribution for crimes where the perpetrator�s race was not known as for crimes where the offender race was known (a reasonable guess), this would mean that whites committed an additional 300,000 crimes, roughly, while blacks would have committed an additional 115,000. In all, this would mean that in 2008, whites committed roughly 2.4 million single offender violent crimes, while blacks would have committed around 950,000.

Since there were roughly 31 million African Americans, age 12 and over � and thus eligible for consideration in crime data � in 2008 (this is noted in the same DOJ tables Williams and I are both referencing here), at most, this would mean that for every 1000 blacks in the population there were 30 criminal offenders, and thus, at most, 3 percent of blacks committed a violent crime in 2008 (meaning, importantly, that at least 97 percent did not). And since there were approximately 205 million whites, 12 and over, in the population that year, this would mean that for every 1000 whites in the population there were 12 criminal offenders, and thus, at most, about 1.2 percent of whites committed a violent crime in 2008.*

Of course, in truth, and for both groups, the numbers are quite a bit smaller than this. After all, the 30 offenders per 1000 persons (the 3 percent rate of offending for blacks) are not 30 different people. In other words, to say that 3 percent of blacks commit a violent crime each year would assume that each offender committed only one crime, such that the number of offenses equalled the number of offenders, but that isn�t the case. There are, as we all know, many offenders who commit multiple offenses each year. As such, the number of offenders would be quite a bit smaller than the number of offenses. As Todd Clear notes in his contribution to a Vera Institute conference on incarceration, criminologists have estimated that 70 percent of criminal offenses are committed by just 7 percent of the total offenders, meaning that there is a small hardcore group of seriously predatory criminals out there doing most of the crime. This would mean that 93 percent of all offenders commit just 30 percent of the crimes. So this would mean that of the 950,000 violent crimes committed by blacks in 2008, 70 percent of them (or 665,000) would have been committed by just 7 percent of all black offenders, while 285,000, roughly, would have been committed by the other 93 percent of offenders. If we assume that the 93 percent who weren�t the major repeat offenders only committed one crime each (likely a conservative estimate, but one which errs on the side of the right-wing argument by maximizing the potential numbers of black offenders), this would mean that, at most, the 285,000 offenses actually equate to 93 percent of the offenders. If 285,000 represents 93 percent of all black offenders, then the remaining 7 percent of offenders above that number would come to only an additional 20,000 or so offenders � major hardcore criminals who commit about 665,000 crimes each year. This would mean that at most there might be a little more than 300,000 individual black violent offenders each year. As a percentage of the 12 and over black population in 2008, this would represent only about 1 percent of all blacks who will commit a violent crime in a given year, versus 99 percent who will not. Even if we just restricted the analysis to black males � and even if all these crimes were committed by males, which they were not � it would mean that no more than 2 percent of black males would commit a violent crime in a given year.

And we can find so much information about the ways in which minorities are disproportionately impacted by the justice system. Here's a book I like that does a good job of laying out as it pertains to drug laws. [url=http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/[Here's a super simple bullet pointed document that lays it out[/url], unless you're the kind of racist who thinks the NAACP is a white genocide organization or something (which I'm betting SPH is).

Here is a bunch of stories from across the country from a variety of sources that demonstrate some of the institutional bias black people face. And it took me like five minutes to grab those. I could find literally thousands of such stories going back decades.

Tl;dr: Racists are intensely loving stupid, always have been, can't understand statistics, and have manipulated data for more than a century to try and prove their white supremacist bullshit. We should laugh at them whenever given the chance, because they're loving morons. They are especially wrong about crime and justice, because they are idiots who don't understand poo poo, and just desperately need their white supremacist narrative to be true, and so they try the same poo poo that the KKK has been trying to push for a century. gently caress them, and gently caress you.

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Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

Knives Amilli posted:

and what does this have anything to do with Philando Castile being unjustifiably shot by a complete moron?

The cop hosed up. Bad cop. It will happen. Humans are humans.

But extrapolating out to be some global problem is where the talk goes wrong

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Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

FactsAreUseless posted:

Tl;dr: Racists are intensely loving stupid, always have been, can't understand statistics, and have manipulated data for more than a century to try and prove their white supremacist bullshit. We should laugh at them whenever given the chance, because they're loving morons. They are especially wrong about crime and justice, because they are idiots who don't understand poo poo, and just desperately need their white supremacist narrative to be true, and so they try the same poo poo that the KKK has been trying to push for a century. gently caress them, and gently caress you.

No, you're the one misunderstanding statistics actually

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:03

Sweaty IT Nerd: Jul 13, 2007

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

The cop hosed up. Bad cop. It will happen. Humans are humans.

But extrapolating out to be some global problem is where the talk goes wrong

It's a racist problem with the cops in the USA

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:03

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

So go ahead, post some poo poo-rear end one-liner. Tell us how you're so much more rational than everyone, and you have no bias or perspective, and you have a perfect understanding of statistics that just proves, scientifically, that black people are animals who deserve to be murdered. You piece of poo poo.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:03

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

No, you're the one misunderstanding statistics actually

I literally JUST laid out why your stats are wrong, and you come back to me with this weak-rear end bullshit? Go gently caress yourself, you racist shitbag.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:04

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

"No u!" screams the white supremacist, when called out on what a weak-poo poo garbage man he is.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:04

Spunky Psycho Ho: Jan 26, 2007; by zen death robot

FactsAreUseless posted:

I literally JUST laid out why your stats are wrong, and you come back to me with this weak-rear end bullshit? Go gently caress yourself, you racist shitbag.

What are the statistics on ethnic make up of street gangs bud

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:04

Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

FactsAreUseless posted:

But wait, that's just the Washington Post!

Here's the Bureau of Justice Statistics report of arrest-related deaths from 2003-2009. Note that this is just arrest-related, so wouldn't count the Castile shooting. It's the most up-to-date official survey I could find.

There it is again. Yes, most of the deaths were white... but they were disproportionately black. Whites are a lot more than 42 percent of the population, and black people are significantly less. The entire survey is available in pdf. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf

Turns out that racists don't understand statistics, no big shock there since these exact same scientific-racism statistical tactics have been used since the 19th century to say that black people are less than whites and deserve their treatment. And when you cite "black people are arrested at a great rate for crimes than whites," that's true. Except it's a very, very well-documented fact that black people are arrested at disproportionate rates, not that that they commit crime at disproportionate rates.

Here's another Bureau of Justice Statistics survey often misunderstood by racists: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

Now consider this:

And we can find so much information about the ways in which minorities are disproportionately impacted by the justice system. Here's a book I like that does a good job of laying out as it pertains to drug laws. [url=http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/[Here's a super simple bullet pointed document that lays it out[/url], unless you're the kind of racist who thinks the NAACP is a white genocide organization or something (which I'm betting SPH is).

Here is a bunch of stories from across the country from a variety of sources that demonstrate some of the institutional bias black people face. And it took me like five minutes to grab those. I could find literally thousands of such stories going back decades.

Tl;dr: Racists are intensely loving stupid, always have been, can't understand statistics, and have manipulated data for more than a century to try and prove their white supremacist bullshit. We should laugh at them whenever given the chance, because they're loving morons. They are especially wrong about crime and justice, because they are idiots who don't understand poo poo, and just desperately need their white supremacist narrative to be true, and so they try the same poo poo that the KKK has been trying to push for a century. gently caress them, and gently caress you.

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on there

Racists are... BAD?

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FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

What are the statistics on ethnic make up of street gangs bud

gently caress yourself, I just laid out in detail why you don't know poo poo, you racist gently caress.

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