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THE AGE OF REASON BY THOMAS MOTHERFUCKING PAINE
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Nov 27, 2017 22:42
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COMRADES posted:Hmm but surely they existed before that if they helped foment it? Josephus writes that they were founded around 6-7 AD... True, but not everyone agrees that Simon Kananites "Zelotes" means he was a Zealot, and maybe he was just a zealot, or maybe something else. Furthermore the teachings of Jesus as relayed by his followers are pretty directly contrary to what Josephus said the Zealots believed. If Jesus was a Zealot, his immediate followers definitely were not.
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Nov 27, 2017 22:52
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I would have to refer you to A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus, which is very good btw; somewhere in those five volumes John Meier argues convincingly against the Zealot claim for Simon Kananites but I don't remember where, beyond what I'm repeating
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Nov 27, 2017 22:55
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The only thing that matters is beauty, so the KJV.
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Nov 27, 2017 22:56
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Who What Now posted:poo poo, no wonder people were able to put in some made up bullshit about Jesus into these. The Dead Sea scrolls predate any New Testament texts, so you're a little early for Jesus. And the oldest scraps of the new testament that we have track remarkably closely to the later, more complete versions of the same books. The stuff in the Nag Hammadi library would be right up your alley, though. It's almost all stuff that was literally thrown out when the new testament canon was consolidated. (And no, it didn't have anything to do with Constantine or the Council of Nicea, it was the product of a two century long process from about 200 to 400) There's a lot of really interesting stuff in there, Jesus gets deemphasised in a lot of it, and very little of it has gone into the collective unconscious. joat mon fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 23:04
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Steal the version that is in all the drawers of hotel rooms.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:06
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joat mon posted:The Dead Sea scrolls predate any New Testament texts, so you're a little early for Jesus. No duh. But people still believe that the very obvious forgery talking about Jesus is real.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:24
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walgreenslatino posted:I would have to refer you to A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus, which is very good btw; somewhere in those five volumes John Meier argues convincingly against the Zealot claim for Simon Kananites but I don't remember where, beyond what I'm repeating I'll check it out thanks.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:30
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greek orthodox bible is your best bet if you want the closest translation from the original koine greek https://www.greekorthodox.bible/greek-nt tbh, most of the eastern churches are going to have super close bibles. the latin's hosed up some pretty large portions from the original greek, so lots of specific words or emotions in the text were lost.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:49
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I like the idea that Slavs are the gatekeepers of the true Christianity.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:55
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COMRADES posted:I like the idea that Slavs are the gatekeepers of the true Christianity. I like the Gospel in Brief.
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Nov 28, 2017 00:18
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COMRADES posted:I like the idea that Slavs are the gatekeepers of the true Christianity. orthodoxy is p cool 
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Nov 28, 2017 00:39
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5-HT posted:orthodoxy is p cool 
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Nov 28, 2017 01:03
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i know its ignorant as gently caress but dats some grimdark poo poo right there. COMRADES posted:Was Jesus a Zealot? no but he may have had leanings. like alot of his stories were more "gently caress you"s to the temple and its really really complex customs and ceremonies and its dick sucking of rome then "good will towards man" most of that was added latter on somewhat by paul and others. paul was the weird dickhead schizophrenic who added "he is literally holy god" poo poo. an example would be the Parable of the Good Samaritan. whitch is less about "mercy and helping people" and more making GBS threads on the 2 men who passed by the injured man. the priest and levite. that being said. i am not a thealogian, i know basics from reading books that are probaly inaccurate, i know "more" about reformation/renassance era stuff. most of the jesus stuff i know is from that reza aslan book. which i am sure someone will call out as poo poo. plus i am agnostic, so i dont care. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 01:52
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joat mon posted:THIS THIS THIS this is an excellent recommendation for bible study order
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Nov 29, 2017 09:57
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Hitler invented the panzer gun that's cool. So mein kampf for your bible. 6 million Jews can't be wrong.
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Nov 29, 2017 11:15
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OP if you are looking for a thorough breakdown and analysis of the Bible, this playlist is excellent https://youtube.com/user/DavidPawsonMinistry/playlists?shelf_id=4&sort=dd&view=50
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Dec 19, 2017 00:30
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Big Beef City posted:The King LAMES you fuckin NERD! LMAO 
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Dec 19, 2017 00:43
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I'm going to smoke a fat blunt with God when I die right before he sends me to Hell
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Dec 19, 2017 00:48
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If you’re still looking OP I will join the people saying KJV. If you were religiously inclined I would go with a different translation, but for your purposes note that no other translation has had more of an impact on literature or the English language as a whole than the KJV.
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Dec 19, 2017 00:48
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Why are there so many different versions?
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Dec 19, 2017 01:05
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So, I didn't read the thread, but, do you want something more scholarly, but which flows less well, something that flows well, but is less accurate to the earliest extant texts, or something between the two? My personal favourite, leaning toward the first group though still readable, is the NET translation. The KJV is nice for the second.
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Dec 19, 2017 01:08
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I.C. posted:Why are there so many different versions? because reinterpreting the word of God can give you lots of political power
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Dec 19, 2017 01:13
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I.C. posted:Why are there so many different versions? Some, like the KJV aren’t terribly accurate or are based on source texts that have since been supplanted by the discovery of older versions. For others they come down to differing philosophies on how to balance “literal accuracy” with “readability” Ultimately all translations fall somewhere on the spectrum. Some go word-for-word, some pull out to the gist of the sentence or phrase and translate that, some like The Message basically just take the whole section and paraphrase that.
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Dec 19, 2017 01:20
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Rutibex posted:because reinterpreting the word of God can give you lots of political power Also, translating the bible is kind of an absolute crapshoot for a variety of reasons, if you want to try to get an "accurate" bible. First off, you gotta define accuracy. Several books of the old testament have been written, rewritten, censored, and so on, even before Jesus was born. For the new testament, for the first couple hundred years, translation was completely haphazard, with no trained transcribers, instead relying mostly on randoms doing it as a hobby, some of which were not great literacy wise in the first place. So, you had a massive amount of divergence in the early period, and new additions and such, to try to get them to match up better with each other. We got a letter from... I want to say Origen, where he complains about how there is so much difference between bibles, and the issue was apparently brought up in Celsus' The True Word, since Origen feels the need to provide a counter argument in Contra Celsum. So, scholars are always trying to find the earliest or most trustworthy fragments and pieces. Also, new recommendation: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible
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Dec 19, 2017 01:27
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FACT: English is the official language of Christianity
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Dec 19, 2017 01:32
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Dec 19, 2017 01:34
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I believe it was RandomFerret who wrote quote:No, Moslems don’t believe that Jesus was the Messiah.
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Dec 19, 2017 02:00
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Instead of reading the Bible and culturally enriching yourself, why not head on down to the local Barnes & Noble and stick all the Bibles in the Fiction section to make a hilarious point about how much contempt you have for low-paid bookstore employees?
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Dec 19, 2017 02:46
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