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Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I'm not religious and I'm not "looking for answers". I want to read more for literary purposes and to get a sense of how it's affected the collective unconscious. The problem is there are a bunch of different versions. I've done some basic research and it's a bit crazy. Should I just go with the King James Version? Is there Catholic stuff I'd be missing?

Part of me just wants to not read it because of all the bullshit. It's like Old Timey Star Citizen.

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A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
http://thejeffersonbible.com/

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


this one

http://www.pidginbible.org/Concindex.html

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.
Braille.



Or "This 'Aint the Bible: A XXX Porn Parody"

OMFG FURRY
Jul 10, 2006

[snarky comment]
gospel of thomas

serious answer: https://thememebible.com

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

Same but the book is made out of ice.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
The NRSV is probably the most popular scholarly version these days

KJV is probably the most influential just in terms of its language, though.

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.
But in seriousness either New King James, or New International. They're easier to parse so you'll get a few pages farther before you get super bored and realize what a pointless chore you've undertaken, and then start a nice re-watch of The X Files.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Frankenstyle posted:

But in seriousness either New King James, or New International. They're easier to parse so you'll get a few pages farther before you get super bored and realize what a pointless chore you've undertaken, and then start a nice re-watch of The X Files.

NRSV or KJV are better than NIV. A translation should be either pretty or literal, the NIV is neither.

Monos Bullet
Dec 6, 2016

Yea, and I say unto you, bringeth me a machiatto of caramel, with crickets on top.

"outa egypt" that's some good poo poo.

op, i like the king james version just because the language sounds nicer than all the plain english translations. these would be the catholic books you'd miss out by reading it though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books

wouldn't know a good catholic book to recommend you.

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

The King LAMES you fuckin NERD! LMAO

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

NRSV or KJV are better than NIV. A translation should be either pretty or literal, the NIV is neither.

That's like saying "You really owe it to yourself to become fluent in English before even thinking about delving into the Twilight series."

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Lego Bible

Mr. Meagles
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts


Honest, legit answer:

https://www.amazon.com/NIV-Archaeological-Study-Bible-Hardcover/dp/031092605X

Archaeological Study Bible. This is a really great thing to just have in your library. I'm not religious at all and I found the whole presentation really interesting and informative.

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013


"Da Jesus Guys" lol

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vauGhtebzEk

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





“You know, long time ago inside da boonies, Moses wen put one snake on top one stick so everybody can see um an come good. Da same ting gotta happen to me, da Guy Dass Fo Real. Dey goin put me on top one cross, 15so dat everybody who stay trus me, can get da real kine life dat stay to da max foeva."

Bible owns!

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
robert alters translation of large portions of the old testament (pentateuch, wisdom literature, etc), and david bentley harts recent literal translation of the new testament. the king james version is culturally important but much of the translation is no longer considered accurate.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
That R. Crumb illustrated bible he's been working on for like 10 years

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





Are any versions of the bible accurate after being translated so many times? Serious question.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Pawn 17 posted:

Are any versions of the bible accurate after being translated so many times? Serious question.

what do u mean translated so many times? scholars do have ancient versions written in the original greek (if ur talking the new testament) so its not like theyre translating translations of translations. so in that sense yes they can be accurate (doesnt always mean they are. many translate passages according to later theological dogma rather than their actual literal meaning, or attempt to change the language in ways they find aesthetically appropriate or more 'comprehensible' for modern readers). thats why i recommended harts new, literal translation.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Pawn 17 posted:

Are any versions of the bible accurate after being translated so many times? Serious question.

Define "accurate"

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Pawn 17 posted:

Are any versions of the bible accurate after being translated so many times? Serious question.

Well yeah. There are manuscripts from 1,900 years ago (and some older) that you can compare. Also, translations are done by a group of scholars (usually) who keep copious notes that you can read to see why they went with a particular English word/phrase to try and translate an ancient word/phrase.

You do get people with an agenda that purposely do whatever they want to change it. But if you do a modicum of research into how a particular version was translated you can see if it was an honest attempt or not.

OP, I'd say read the Holman Christian Standard if your looking for an easier read than KJV.

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

An dey wack him on top his head wit one bamboo, an spit on top him. An dey go down in front him jalike dey showing respeck fo him. 20Wen dey was pau making fun a him, dey take off da red robe an put his own clotheses back on top him.

Damnit Romans, watcho gone done to poor Jesus?

e:

Da messenja guy goin come,
An you tink you can handle wen he come?! No way!
He goin show up,
An you tink you can face him an no run away? Not even!
Cuz him, he real strong,
Jalike da real hot fire dat da peopo use fo take da junk stuff outa da silva.

Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Nov 27, 2017

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
R. Crumb’s Genesis, op

The other books are dumb

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

Pawn 17 posted:

Are any versions of the bible accurate after being translated so many times? Serious question.

I have a first edition autographed copy, but I've never done a side by side comparison.


More serious answer, most translations are hit and miss. If you want accuracy you need to lift it from the Greek translations and cross check every drat word because there's tons of cases of very similar words that almost mean the same thing with subtle but important differences. I have a couple friends who learned ancient Greek just to be able to really dig into the whole thing and it's all so dense and tedious I don't think they've even edified themselves really.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Frankenstyle posted:

I have a first edition autographed copy, but I've never done a side by side comparison.


More serious answer, most translations are hit and miss. If you want accuracy you need to lift it from the Greek translations and cross check every drat word because there's tons of cases of very similar words that almost mean the same thing with subtle but important differences. I have a couple friends who learned ancient Greek just to be able to really dig into the whole thing and it's all so dense and tedious I don't think they've even edified themselves really.

In this world of digital stuff there are apps that you can actually do stuff like this across dozens of different translations.

Like, is it 10:00 or 4:00??? Make up your mind John!

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

spacetoaster posted:

In this world of digital stuff there are apps that you can actually do stuff like this across dozens of different translations.

Like, is it 10:00 or 4:00??? Make up your mind John!

Yeah I don't get it either. I guess it's like how some people still think vinyl is the poo poo.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I think the obvious version to go with is the Wicked Bible.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
How has nobody said Bible Black yet?

Cnut the Great
Mar 30, 2014
Isaac Asimov's Guide to the Bible is pretty cool.

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
the correct answer is KJV if you're trying to understand the inspiration for all western literature, NRSV if you want to read the closest translation to what was actually written on the oldest sources we have

Neukoln19
Oct 27, 2005

Big Beef City posted:

The King LAMES you fuckin NERD! LMAO

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




Can you read Latin? https://smile.amazon.com/dp/3438053020/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3RY9PLU2GK3WO&colid=174B1LAQO74T4

Also any copies with Aramaic text and footnotes discussing translation are also good. https://www.amazon.com/Aramaic-English-Testament-Andrew-Gabriel/dp/1934916269

If you have a Maronite Catholic church nearby they will probably give you one if you're actually interested.

13Pandora13 fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Nov 27, 2017

Hobologist
May 4, 2007

We'll have one entire section labelled "for degenerates"

Pawn 17 posted:

Are any versions of the bible accurate after being translated so many times? Serious question.

If it's really that important to you, learn Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew yourself. If not, just accept that the meat offering in Deuteronomy 1 I actually made of dough and deal with it.

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Any bible used by protestants will have less content, because apparently "sola scriptura" means that not only was luther a heretic, he was also a hypocrite.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Creamed Cormp posted:

Any bible used by protestants will have less content, because apparently "sola scriptura" means that not only was luther a heretic, he was also a hypocrite.

the reformation version of legal textualism. i guess martin luther = antonin scalia in this scenario

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

the reformation version of legal textualism. i guess martin luther = antonin scalia in this scenario

While I don't agree with Antonin Scalia's views on economic matters, he was a good catholic and thus deserves more respect than that.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"
I recommend this particular Tijuana Bible:

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Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
has anyone read the jefferson epic of gilgamesh? its more of a travelogue really

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