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So, did the D6 get nerfed across all of Flash Isaac or just in Super Hardcore Bullshit mode?GuavaMoment posted:Achievements are hosed apparently, the steam forums have a temporary fix. I'm pretty certain I got well over 7 hearts from eternal hearts, but I guess it doesn't count if you Guppy's Paw them away. The Steam forums should have a permanent fix, where you replace one of the files, unless this update broke it.
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"Roguelikes are games for masochists!"  Seriously though, this sounds like The Absolute Worst. Making things take longer is never an appropriate way to adjust difficulty.
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May 3, 2015 03:19
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Manatee Cannon posted:Maybe picking up all of the Lost items sans Godhead gives you something. Picking up three or more of the Lost items... turns you into the Lost. 
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May 3, 2015 03:27
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Codiekitty posted:So, did the D6 get nerfed across all of Flash Isaac or just in Super Hardcore Bullshit mode? It doesn't look like Hard Mode's balance changes apply to regular WOTL. Although I have no idea if regular WOTL carried over Most Unholy Edition's nerfs. (Mutant Spider is a special item, Mom doesn't drop the Polaroid unless you triggered the devil deal, Habit works like it did in Rebirth.) I really hope Edmund doesn't think that some of these changes are a good idea, and tries to use them in Afterbirth. Rocketlex posted:"Roguelikes are games for masochists!" Honestly, the attack pattern changes by themselves would have been enough. Some of them change up the fight significantly to make the fight more interesting and difficult in the good way. And then a huge pile of tedium had to be added on top of that.
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May 3, 2015 03:31
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They really took the effort to putting in a hard mode in the game nobody plays anymore? Why?
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May 3, 2015 03:42
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"I wonder if Color Printer will look at the code for the new version and see how lovely everything really became." is probably what someone is wondering. The answer is no, gently caress this update. It's garbage. gently caress it.
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May 3, 2015 04:23
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Color Printer posted:"I wonder if Color Printer will look at the code for the new version and see how lovely everything really became." is probably what someone is wondering. Yeah I don't think anyone is really curious about it. Anyone who would be excited for an update to original Isaac has moved on to Rebirth, except for Florian I guess.
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May 3, 2015 04:28
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I don't even feel like installing it and playing it because practically every single thing here has made me go "wow!!! no???" but lord knows I will because I hate myself. I should probably update the OP with stuff soon (especially about Afterbirth).
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May 3, 2015 04:32
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Jibo posted:Yeah I don't think anyone is really curious about it. Maybe after all this time Toothpicks finally gives a tears up. Maybe SMB Super Fan even gives a speed upgrade! Who cares, because Rebirth exists.
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May 3, 2015 04:33
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Prop Wash posted:Maybe after all this time Toothpicks finally gives a tears up. Maybe SMB Super Fan even gives a speed upgrade! Who cares, because Rebirth exists. Well for what it's worth, Shot Speed is a better stat in Hard Mode, and Mom always drop's Mom's Purse along with the Polaroid. But like you said, who cares since Rebirth already fixed those problems. Justin_Brett posted:They really took the effort to putting in a hard mode in the game nobody plays anymore? Why? Basically, Florian got a better computer, so when he tried to reprogram Isaac in Flash, it only crashed half the time instead of all the time. So he said that he made this update just because he could. Nobody actually asked for this. Color Printer posted:"I wonder if Color Printer will look at the code for the new version and see how lovely everything really became." is probably what someone is wondering. Your contributions were greatly appreciated during the era of WOTL Isaac! Also don't play this because hard mode is just tedious garbage. EDIT: Something else I forgot to mention. Regular bomb pickups have a chance of turning into Troll Bombs when you touch them. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 04:47 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 04:42
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Dr. Fetus posted:-Eternal Envy's chunks can fuse back together. On top of having too much HP. I was going to give this a shot, because Florian said he was fixing some long running game bugs too and I think he also said he was improving the overall performance.... But this Eternal Envy poo poo sounds something that I would wish to a person who wronged me. and if the game still has frame rate issues (I suppose there's only so much you can do with a Flash game), then there's little fun to be had here. Maybe his idea was to show his changes as he originally envisioned them, and then rebalance them according to feedback. Kind of like WOTL did (and rebirth at a lower degree), although in WOTL's case they mostly had overpowered items show up more frequently for the gamer to notice the changes; the initial unbalanced stuff did not actually spell WE HATE YOUR GUTS AND YOU SHOULD SUFFER.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Yes, it's basically The Binding of Isaac: poo poo Edition. In fact, let me go over more of Florian's genius changes. Even outside of Dota 2 Eternal Envy ruins everything
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I forgot to mention this, but the Envy chunks can also shoot at you! Oh and some more things about bosses. -Eternal Chad mass spawns the red flies that explore into four bullets. She's basically Green Duke of Flies on steroids. It's nearly impossible to damage her without enough damage or something like Brimstone. On top of having too much HP. -Eternal Peep has 6 eyes, but you can actually destroy them. But both the eyes and Peep have way too much HP, so your choice is to either get overwhelmed, or just plink away at the eyes in boredom. -Eternal Mom's Heart/It Lives!: This video I found can probably tell you more than I ever could. And apparently that was at max damage. (More details below) Okay, so somebody actually took a look at the code in the update. Here's what gets changed in Hard Mode. (Does not include bosses.) And apparently some things in regular WOTL got changed as well. Here's the item pool changes to both WOTL and Hard Mode. The important stuff: -The D6 has a 20% chance to destroy an item in Hard Mode only. This is affected by luck. (Yes lower luck now has consequences.) -All special items that don't provide a direct damage or fire rate increase to Isaac's tears (aside from IPECAC) are no longer special. -All damage increase items that weren't special before are now special. This also includes certain fire rate items. -Brimstone, Epic Fetus, and Dr. Fetus are now more rare despite being special. -The Sun and Full Health pills no longer fully heal you. They just heal you for 7 and 5 red hearts, respectively. -There is a DAMAGE CAP when you play in Hard Mode. This means that you will NEVER have enough damage to fight the Eternal bosses. (WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS!?) Araxxor fucked around with this message at 07:51 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 07:49
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Apparently I already had WOTL installed and it got updated overnight so I gave the normal mode a shot to see if anything had changed there. It's been a while since I played the game, so it feels different in many ways. But, the most obvious change is that the explosive diarrhea pill is back. Edit: And I almost managed to get my last missing achievement for TWOL (take no damage in the Caves), because I had flight and curse of the labyrinth, but the last boss was Peep and the fucker jumped on rocks (where I was hiding). Was he always able to do that? AbstractNapper fucked around with this message at 08:05 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 08:00
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Note for the eternal achievements - beating Satan does not count as beating the game, you have to go through the chest. And instead of needing 7 heart containers from eternal hearts it's more like 12 to get that achievement (but it does give you flight when you unlock it.)
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May 3, 2015 08:50
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GuavaMoment posted:Oh my God, did this game always run like complete poo poo? It's really jarring to play again. I'm sure it didn't. I remember Isaac running fine on my machine but it's super framey now for no apparent reason. This update is already tedious to play, but that's just adding insult to injury.
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May 3, 2015 09:27
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Dr. Fetus posted:-Eternal Mom's Heart/It Lives!: This video I found can probably tell you more than I ever could. And apparently that was at max damage. (More details below) I know it's hardly the worst thing there, but I love how he extended Mom's Heart by adding solid lines to the top. Although I don't doubt that thing has way too much HP, could the damage cap nerf of dividing by the rate of fire combined with Tech 2 be making it worse? Dr. Fetus posted:-The Sun and Full Health pills no longer fully heal you. They just heal you for 7 and 5 red hearts, respectively.  I was reluctant to pick up Rebirth because I wasn't overly impressed with the Flash game. Oh, I sort of warmed up to it after using it as my unwind-after-work game for a couple weeks, but the only thing I especially liked about it was the soundtrack. Then I grabbed Rebirth and it surprised me. Then I tried to play Flash Isaac and was reminded of why I was always lukewarm towards it. And now Florian fucks it up even harder. At least I can download the HIB version if I really feel like playing it.
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I watch a lot of BoI runs and holy poo poo, the response to this "update" is hilarious  Everyone is going "cool, an update to the original BoI!" to "wow, this is kinda bullshit" to "gently caress this piece of poo poo garbage forever". What was Florian thinking?
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Your Computer posted:I watch a lot of BoI runs and holy poo poo, the response to this "update" is hilarious I think he misunderstood why the Holy-aligned hearts were called "Eternal"
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Dr. Fetus posted:Yes, it's basically The Binding of Isaac: poo poo Edition. In fact, let me go over more of Florian's genius changes. Most of these changes sound like they would be OK for a hard mode and/or the very rare random boss variant... If the HP wasn't so ridiculously high. edit: to clarify, I mean the changes to the boss patterns, not the other balance changes listed on this page. They all sound like poo poo. Lowen SoDium fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 3, 2015 |
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So I guess we just wait for the mod that keeps the eternal enemies (at lower health for certain bosses), the new AI, but removes all the other bullshit changes? Because that might actually be fun.
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Dr. Fetus posted:-The D6 has a 20% chance to destroy an item every other change in this update sounds like absolute poo poo but I actually really like this change. especially in original isaac where it was so overpowered.
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I actually kind of like the regular eternal enemies as long as there's room to maneuver, but the eternal bosses are complete bullshit. Eternal bloat spawns a new eye every time it jumps. Still no save/continue. 
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May 3, 2015 21:32
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For those of you that want The Lost to be buffed, you're getting your wish. Also talks about new alt floors.
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Dr. Fetus posted:For those of you that want The Lost to be buffed, you're getting your wish. Also talks about new alt floors. I don't see "remove from the item pool those items that are completely useless to The Lost" on the ballot.
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May 4, 2015 23:03
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Smh at Edmund still being salty about The Lost's existence being discovered by hacks when the ARG thing was like a day or two away from being solved anyway
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Fedule posted:I don't see "remove from the item pool those items that are completely useless to The Lost" on the ballot. This. Those are all kinda lovely choices.
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Fedule posted:I don't see "remove from the item pool those items that are completely useless to The Lost" on the ballot. Well, that's what the D6 is for D6 + Spectral Tears is honestly enough to make it feasible. You can reroll all the garbage you don't need, and Spectral Tears lets you camp inside rocks.
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Dr. Fetus posted:For those of you that want The Lost to be buffed, you're getting your wish. Also talks about new alt floors. Oh thank god. I just unlocked The Lost yesterday and immediately went into "NOPE" mode. Still gotta get that Lvl 4 Meat Boy and all...
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bucksmash posted:Oh thank god. I just unlocked The Lost yesterday and immediately went into "NOPE" mode. Do it before he gets buffed for bragging rights.
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Dr. Fetus posted:For those of you that want The Lost to be buffed, you're getting your wish. Also talks about new alt floors. boo, loving pussies
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I'd recommend just giving The Lost a regular health pool but have those little invincible ghosts that come with The Haunt spawn in every room to chase you. Starting with one in the basements levels, two in the depths, then three in Cathedral/Chest.
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Vakal posted:I'd recommend just giving The Lost a regular health pool but have those little invincible ghosts that come with The Haunt spawn in every room to chase you. Starting with one in the basements levels, two in the depths, then three in Cathedral/Chest. I cleared all the Lost achievements and I still think this would be unusually cruel and terrible.
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AnonSpore posted:I cleared all the Lost achievements and I still think this would be unusually cruel and terrible. yeah same. think of some of the levels you face once you reach necropolis and how absolutely horrible they would be with invincible fast flying enemies chasing you around
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Literal Nazi Furry posted:yeah same. think of some of the levels you face once you reach necropolis and how absolutely horrible they would be with invincible fast flying enemies chasing you around I've thought that a getting-chased-by-monsters challenge might be cool, but not if they're on top of you immediately. Make them spawn in rooms based on how long you've spent in the map and how far you are from the start room.
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IMJack posted:I've thought that a getting-chased-by-monsters challenge might be cool, but not if they're on top of you immediately. Make them spawn in rooms based on how long you've spent in the map and how far you are from the start room. Have the challenge start with spelunker's hat and it could be a spelunky themed challenge
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Dr. Fetus posted:For those of you that want The Lost to be buffed, you're getting your wish. Also talks about new alt floors. What kind of drugs is he on?  quote:...The Lost.... ...the most rewarding... ...most exciting aspect of the game... ...having more fun than i ever have before... And those "fixes" do nothing to address the problem of the lost; losing to pure RNG. It's like he honestly believes his game is perfectly fair, but he also posts this picture of a room that looks completely bullshit (flaming hoppers in a tight space.. with two more enemies  ): There aren't even that many legitimately unfair things in the game anymore, if he just worked on fixing those instead of adding more then The Lost would be a very interesting character instead of the worst idea ever.
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Giving the Lost the D6 will go a real long way towards mitigating his item pool issues though.
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YF-23 posted:Giving the Lost the D6 will go a real long way towards mitigating his item pool issues though. But then he's just Isaac with flight and no health.
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YF-23 posted:Giving the Lost the D6 will go a real long way towards mitigating his item pool issues though. Tbh I think the d4 would be better for that, but then I really like the d4
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