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Why don't we ever see the Grizzelas? They sound pretty chill. I hope the next series has a Grizella character to just hang out with and party until he's like -- oh sorry guys I'm feeling super tired. Then we don't see him again until next year except maybe once or twice by the replicator and he's cranky. Also jeez I hope someone's watching their planet when they're asleep.
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I think TOS's Court Martial is, despite the decades of dumb poo poo to follow, probably the dumbest use of technobabble in all of Trek. There are weirder science things, or more outlandish, but the whole heartbeat and white noise generator thing is just some impressively fake science. Or at least a critical misunderstanding, since I think these days that kind of thing might actually be half possible. That is to say nothing of how retarded the whole trial is handled otherwise, which is a whole other level of stupid.
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Feb 11, 2017 09:37
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I believe Lt. Bear was a Grizzela?
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Even after all these years I almost laugh each and every time Pulaski called Data "dah-ta" because she hates him and doesn't give a gently caress about the toaster's feelings.
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Feb 11, 2017 09:58
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Nessus posted:Worf was probably protected entirely and solely by the depth of his connections with Klingon society. Even if the Klingons were fairly reliable allies at the time, Starfleet probably knew that if they sacked him, he would've been contacted by Klingon intelligence before he made it to the holosuites to program in Suicide Ritual Alpha-Six. Think it was the other way around - being in Starfleet at that point was probably the only reason Gowron wasn't risking sending a Totally Honorable Murder Squad after him...
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Feb 11, 2017 10:07
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"In space, people have gotten over all interpersonal differences and we can't ever do stories about it. Except for Pulaski. Also she does her hair like an old loving granny. Yeah this character is a winner." - Gene, probably I think my favorite part of learning about what Patrick Stewart was like behind the scenes is that while the character of Picard is an intellectual "social worker," Stewart wanted to do Kirk-like stuff and asked writers to have him do more "loving and shooting." I'm going to guess that a lot of that became the basis for the dreadful TNG movies.
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Feb 11, 2017 10:15
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dont even fink about it posted:"In space, people have gotten over all interpersonal differences and we can't ever do stories about it. Except for Pulaski. Also she does her hair like an old loving granny. Yeah this character is a winner." - Gene, probably [Dunebuggy.gif]
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Feb 11, 2017 10:21
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Delthalaz posted:Pulaski is great
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Feb 11, 2017 11:15
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when The Greatest Generation TNG podcast (gagh.biz) was reviewing the episode where the whole crew starts disappearing, they pondered what would happen if it was Pulaski instead of Crusher. They concluded she would head straight to ten forward, pull a bottle of real alcohol from under the bar, yank the cork out with her teeth, roll credits.
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Feb 11, 2017 12:08
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Sounds right.
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dont even fink about it posted:"In space, people have gotten over all interpersonal differences and we can't ever do stories about it. Except for Pulaski. Also she does her hair like an old loving granny. Yeah this character is a winner." - Gene, probably Even Picard knew Kirk was better. 
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Feb 11, 2017 14:19
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Delthalaz posted:Pulaski is great Casimir? Yes. Katherine? Not so much.
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Feb 11, 2017 14:39
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TNG doctor war now.
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MikeJF posted:What that episode really needed was the payoff of Worf in the gold speedos. Right?! I was waiting for that! Pwnstar posted:These people on vacation were not fully prepared to be attacked by enemy soldiers with no prior warning. This is evidence of the downfall of society. Yeah, their argument was extremely flimsy. Earth was preparing to go to war with the Dominion, while this tiny out of the way holiday planet that's the Federation equivalent of the Caribbean is clearly going to be where they start.
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At the very least Jadzia should have peaced out because of how batshit he was acting. He just intentionally sabotaged your vacation, to say nothing of how he did it or that he basically joined a cult in the process. Seriously, those guys reminded me of fundamentalist christians who think everything fun is from satan .
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dont even fink about it posted:"In space, people have gotten over all interpersonal differences and we can't ever do stories about it. Except for Pulaski. Also she does her hair like an old loving granny. Yeah this character is a winner." - Gene, probably His appearance on Extras wasn't very far off from how he is irl, it would seem.
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Feb 11, 2017 16:43
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Pulaski actually had a character arc with growth. This puts her well ahead of most Trek characters. Others in this elite club include Rom, Nog, Damar, The Doctor, Seven, and Shran.
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Feb 11, 2017 16:43
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Phimosissy posted:Pulaski actually had a character arc with growth. People keep saying this, but what is her arc? She becomes slightly less of an rear end in a top hat towards Data?
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Feb 11, 2017 16:45
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Baronjutter posted:Worf becoming a terrorist was probably viewed as them allowing him to have fun and get it out of his system. I once saw a Fantasy Island where the fantasy was robbing a bank so maybe it was like that
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WampaLord posted:People keep saying this, but what is her arc? She becomes slightly less of an rear end in a top hat towards Data? Yes? It might not be world-changing, but she has a major shift in attitudes because of personal experiences. That's more in one season than most characters did in 7.
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I wouldn't really call that an arc. Nog has an arc, he starts as a kid and ends up in Starfleet. A slight change in attitude isn't a big enough change to be a character arc.
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skooma512 posted:Seriously, those guys reminded me of fundamentalist christians who think everything fun is from satan . I think that was pretty much the vibe they were going for. Walking around the ridiculously sunny place in long dark robes. Also, the squad just beam down to a random grove? I can't believe there's not official fancy disembarkation landing spaces like cruise ships get.
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WampaLord posted:I wouldn't really call that an arc. Nog has an arc, he starts as a kid and ends up in Starfleet. A slight change in attitude isn't a big enough change to be a character arc. I did list Nog, and I'll gladly admit Polaski's growth is far smaller, but it's still more than about anybody. Data gets one too, but it mostly feels like the writers and actor fixing on the character, and then binary external changes like the emotion chip. When he almost blasted Kivas Fajo, I thought there was more, and maybe they were playing at him having emotions but not recognizing them, but it never went anywhere. They weren't even brave enough to have motherfucking B4 whistle "if I only had a brain"
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Phimosissy posted:When he almost blasted Kivas Fajo, I thought there was more, and maybe they were playing at him having emotions but not recognizing them, but it never went anywhere. drat I love that episode so much, and you're right, it's a huge shame they didn't build on it, it would be a great place to springboard into an emotions plot.
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dont even fink about it posted:I think my favorite part of learning about what Patrick Stewart was like behind the scenes is that while the character of Picard is an intellectual "social worker," Stewart wanted to do Kirk-like stuff and asked writers to have him do more "loving and shooting." I'm going to guess that a lot of that became the basis for the dreadful TNG movies. Pretty much. While he had a certain amount of influence over Generations and First Contact, he successfully lobbied for an associate producer credit on Insurrection, which came with a significant amount of creative control, causing no small amount of agitation for Michael Piller. Fade In, Piller's unpublished memoir about writing Insurrection, goes into pretty extensive detail about how Stewart couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted to play a thoughtful explorer or an action hero. He was basically going, "Picard has to have a love story but he has to have action beats but he can't be too macho but he can't just fall in love with some rando but there isn't enough romance in this script wait where'd the action go hold on this romance doesn't feel earned wait this is Star Trek why is there so much action wait where's the loving and sucking."
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Orv posted:TNG doctor war now. Doctor Ogawa 4 lyfe
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Doctor Philip 'Have you tried drinking your problems away?' Boyce.
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The_Doctor posted:Jeez, "Let He Who Is Without Sin" is full of people who hate fun. Worf commits an act of terrorism for people he just met, and the group in question are all glass half empty naysayers. That episode is worth it for "No, he's the same old Worf." "PRUNE JUICE, EXTRA LARGE." Delthalaz posted:Why don't we ever see the Grizzelas? They sound pretty chill. I hope the next series has a Grizella character to just hang out with and party until he's like -- oh sorry guys I'm feeling super tired. Then we don't see him again until next year except maybe once or twice by the replicator and he's cranky. Also jeez I hope someone's watching their planet when they're asleep. I guess it depends on why their species hibernates. If it was a winter thing, the one half would hibernate, then the other half. But then that would work for Picard's needs.
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Pulaski is better than Crusher because she's flawed, which means she actually has character while Crusher never got written into anything. Pulaski is always drinking, hates Data and loves getting one over on Picard. Crusher has like no characteristics whatsoever.Phimosissy posted:When he almost blasted Kivas Fajo, I thought there was more, and maybe they were playing at him having emotions but not recognizing them, but it never went anywhere. They weren't even brave enough to have motherfucking B4 whistle "if I only had a brain" Data kind of freaks me out in this episode. Him trying to kill that dude and then lying to Riker about it is Step 1 to murder machine uprising.
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dont even fink about it posted:
Someone earlier in this thread, i think, called Patrick Stewart an English redneck. He likes fast cars, hot women, and fight scenes. When he and Spiner got more creative control over their characters, we got Insurrection and Nemesis.
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Feb 11, 2017 18:50
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PostNouveau posted:Crusher has like no characteristics whatsoever. If you read between the lines in The Fifty Year Mission, it's pretty clear that McFadden was absolutely miserable by the seventh season and only did the movies for a paycheck (I think she flat-out refused to talk about Insurrection because she had nothing to do).
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CharlieWhiskey posted:Doctor Ogawa 4 lyfe Dr. Selar 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Dr. Selar The objectively correct answer. 
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Timby posted:If you read between the lines in The Fifty Year Mission, it's pretty clear that McFadden was absolutely miserable by the seventh season and only did the movies for a paycheck (I think she flat-out refused to talk about Insurrection because she had nothing to do). Yeah with Pulaski the writers couldn't use their go-to moves for female characters: She's a sex object, she's a bog standard mother for a character who actually has stuff to do, she loves chocolate or yoga or theater. Older lady character neutralizes a lot of that bullshit.
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jng2058 posted:The objectively correct answer. The logical choice, logically arrived at.
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Orv posted:TNG doctor war now. That one irrationally angry doctor from the Rashomon episode who hated Riker and tried to kill him.
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Orv posted:TNG doctor war now.  The doctors who couldn't finish a simple cardiac replacement and had to call in Pulaski across several light-years to come fix it.
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TNG should have had Drs Pulaski and Selar instead of Crusher. Nobody cares about your irritating son or his dead dad, Beverly.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:TNG should have had Drs Pulaski and Selar instead of Crusher. Nobody cares about your irritating son or his dead dad, Beverly. but she has teh moves of a striptease queen
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