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yronic heroism posted:Except he did say it. I know you have a problem with reading comprehension but the first quote you posted was the joke defense of me and the second is him saying that Trump is better than Hillary on slaves which is technically true since Trump's crime is having a golf course built in a region that's entirely constructed from forced labor while Hillary's crime was having prison laborers at the governor's mansion she lived at, not being afraid to send them back to jail if they broke a rule and expressing surprise that murderers who committed a crime of passion were more well-behaved than prisoners who were there for property crimes. There's no defense of Trump. It's all shock at how lovely Hillary was. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Call Me Charlie posted:I know you have a problem with reading comprehension but the first quote you posted was the joke defense of me and the second is him saying that Trump is better than Hillary on slaves which is technically true since Trump's crime is having a golf course built in a region that's entirely made from forced labor (which I doubt he even visited before it was finished) while Hillary's crime was having prisoner laborers at the governor's mansion she lived at, not being afraid to send them back to jail if they broke a rule and expressing surprise that murderers were more well-behaved than prisoners who were there for property crimes. please stop purity testing hillary clinton you'd have engaged in amateur phrenology too if you had a chance to write a book about your slaves
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Lol no he literally said Trump didn't have slaves.
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yronic heroism posted:Lol no he literally said Trump didn't have slaves. Turns out quibbling about the definition of slavery works in both ways for centrists First we have JeffersonClay's masterful "actually prison slavery isn't chattle slavery" and now we have "actually any elite who does business in developing countries is actually a slaveowner"
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Condiv posted:people want purity tests cause they're tired of getting dems full control of government for policies like singlepayer just for them to say "oops you didn't vote for the right type of dems better luck next time" Like this, this made me laugh, thanks! 
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Peachfart posted:Like this, this made me laugh, thanks! much like Hillary, I think you just confused California with the entire United States
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NewForumSoftware posted:Turns out quibbling about the definition of slavery works in both ways for centrists Too bad I'm not JeffersonClay calling you on your poo poo or I'd be as big a hypocrite as you are. Since you're the one quibbling about the definition of slavery from both sides.
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Peachfart posted:Like this, this made me laugh, thanks! talkin bout california. try to keep up centrist. i know your tiny brain has trouble with concepts like state governments
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yronic heroism posted:Too bad I'm not JeffersonClay calling you on your poo poo or I'd be as big a hypocrite as you are. Since you're the one quibbling about the definition of slavery from both sides. Reminder that the 13th amendment has a clause written in it to explicitly excuse prison slavery, not overseas migrant labor. But I mean, I don't think you're going to find anyone here who doesn't want to paint the entire capital class as immoral monsters so I guess I support you on your quest to do whatever it is you're trying to do
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I'm actually warming to the idea of purity tests. For example, is my candidate pure enough to not have owned slaves?
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reignonyourparade posted:Only if the other 40% is straight up opposed. If it's 60% support, 20% doesn't give a poo poo and 20% oppose then frankly those opposed are outnumbered 3 to 1.
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call to action posted:I'm actually warming to the idea of purity tests. For example, is my candidate pure enough to not have owned slaves? We are all slaves to capitalism, comrade.
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twodot posted:Not giving a poo poo about healthcare reform is opposition to healthcare reform. 60% agreement in a body, in theory, designed to attract and organize people of similar thought is abysmal (I realize the political parties are actually designed to confer wealth and power on its members and friends, but let's pretend otherwise for conversation). Even in theory parties in the US aren't designed to attract and organize people of similar thought because they're big tents. Bringing in something that a minority wants and the majority doesn't care about in of itself isn't even uncommon in coalition building. 60% is actually pretty drat good!
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reignonyourparade posted:Even in theory parties in the US aren't designed to attract and organize people of similar thought because they're big tents. Bringing in something that a minority wants and the majority doesn't care about in of itself isn't even uncommon in coalition building. 60% is actually pretty drat good! edit: "Democrats: only slightly less than half of us think you should just die."
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Call Me Charlie posted:For Nebraska and with a policy that was guaranteed to pass? Yeah. I love how you're all for incrementalism and making pragmatic choices when it doesn't affect you directly. Glazier posted:Nope, being anti-reproductive rights is as bad as being anti-civil rights for racial minorities. If you want to be pro-life then the GOP is over there. Oh, he knows. Call Me Charlie posted:And you wouldn't see people calling for a purge if it wasn't for the long documented history of centrists (or neoliberals or New Democrats or Third Way Democrats or whatever the gently caress you want to call them) intentionally marginalizing/sabotaging the progressive movement. Marginalizing the progressive movement by, say, supporting pro-life candidates? 
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Peachfart posted:We are all slaves to capitalism, comrade. Imagine I posted that Bors comic about being made of carbon here
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Fulchrim's latest example of reactionary idpol concern trolling on behalf of a powerful political leader is the most disgusting yet!
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The Kingfish posted:Fulchrim's latest example of reactionary idpol concern trolling on behalf of a powerful political leader is the most disgusting yet! Have you ever noticed that the more buzzwords a person puts into a sentence, the less they actually say?
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Fulchrim's concern trolling on behalf of Nancy Pelosi uses the language of identity politics to further a reactionary agenda??
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The Kingfish posted:Fulchrim's concern trolling on behalf of Nancy Pelosi uses the language of identity politics to further a reactionary agenda?? I'm not Fulchrim. That guy was loyal to the Dems in a creepy way. I just think you all are hilarious. But call me what you wish. 
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yronic heroism posted:What evidence do you have they aren't trying to win the general? If your only argument is "they lost to Trump
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Kilroy posted:They also lost to McConnell and Ryan. And Walker. And that Voldemort looking motherfucker in Florida. And many hundreds of other state and local races across the country. And in spite of all this the leadership hasn't really changed much. Normally when you lose a whole bunch of times you have the decency and the presence of mind to preserve what dignity you have left and resign. Not so with American Democrats though, who have no decency and prefer vanity to dignity. Define the leadership. DWS is out of the DNC. Harry Reid retired. The Obama administration is over. Hillary Clinton will get nowhere near the 2020 nomination if she tries. Aside from Pelosi, who are you talking about? yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Has anyone asked Pelosi what she means by "lively debate" because as far as I can tell the debate starts with "we're capitalists okay" and ends on "we're not ready for single payer". I mean I've got some creative interpretations of "lively debate" I can offer up but I'm sure it's not what she had in mind, and anyway I'm not really interested in debate: I'm interested in shutting down fascism, taking real steps to combat climate change, and actually helping people. Time we spend debating whether any of that poo poo is worthwhile is time we could be spending fixing those problems.
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The Kingfish posted:Fulchrim's latest example of reactionary idpol concern trolling on behalf of a powerful political leader is the most disgusting yet! I get the avatar/post combo. It's "leftist" Trump tweets!
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yronic heroism posted:Define the leadership. DWS is out of the DNC. Harry Reid retired. The Obama administration is over. Hillary Clinton will get nowhere near the 2020 nomination if she tries. Aside from Pelosi, who are you talking about? Dems' rising star meets with Clinton inner circle in Hamptons Truth be told the Democratic party is a fundamentally undemocratic organization no matter who is in charge, which is a big problem in and of itself. Of course it doesn't help much that the people with an iron grip on it disagree with me on just about anything important, and that they're going to keep that iron grip no matter how many humiliating losses they suffer. So there isn't really much reason to vote for Democrats, unless they also happen to be socialists which is almost never the case even at the local level and unthinkable at any level above that. I won't vote for anyone who isn't socialist, period. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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And for the record I don't actually have much of a problem with Chuck Schumer. He's a centrist but he at least cares about winning and I don't think there is another Democratic Senator - save for Sanders if we're counting him as a Democrat - with better political instincts. Pelosi is loving garbage though.
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When your party's inviting comparisons to the Washington Generals, that the leadership refuses to change is either a sign that they are deeply delusional and incompetent, or outright being paid to lose. Either way, when people's lives literally depend on Republicans being opposed, it means purging the leadership is a matter of self-defense.
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Dems are already leading the charge against the elements that could undermine us in 2020. Like uh, nurses unions https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/892213755328811010
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Motto posted:Dems are already leading the charge against the elements that could undermine us in 2020. Like uh, nurses unions quote:Harris’s defenders immediately took issue with DeMoro’s lack of enthusiasm.
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When was the last time referring to the Democrats as the "Party of FDR" wasn't darkly ironic, the way "Party of Lincoln" is today, with respect to the GOP?
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Mister Facetious posted:When was the last time referring to the Democrats as the "Party of FDR" wasn't darkly ironic, the way "Party of Lincoln" is today, with respect to the GOP? gently caress if I know. Back in Carter's day?
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i just dunno why centrists are pushing a slave owner again? is that the centrist demographic? slave owners and slavery fetishists?
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Accretionist posted:"Alt-left," huh? Well, if the DLC unironically thinks of itself as "left", then actual leftist views are in "extremist/minority view" territory.
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Condiv posted:i just dunno why centrists are pushing a slave owner again? Kilroy posted:The democrats are a waste
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centrists are already defending harris like she's the democratic nominee! https://twitter.com/DrTMarsh/status/892273759230451712 what kind of lgbtq supporter wishes unjust torture and imprisonment on a transgender person for not liking their candidate? the alt-center is disgusting and should not be tolerated 
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note how the guantanamo bay worshipping centrist scum sells himself as a leftist! but it's a cheap mask like yronic and wj wear, and when push comes to shove they'll support the comfortable status quo over helping anyone (and bully and threaten the less privileged while they're at it!)
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Condiv posted:what kind of lgbtq supporter wishes unjust torture and imprisonment on a transgender person for not liking their candidate? They don't really mean it, they're just trying to push her towards the center.
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