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Count Roland posted:An outright Saudi invasion of Qatar seems pretty unlikely, but maybe they could stir poo poo up? Organize a coup, or protests in the streets, and then move their troops in to "maintain stability" or some such? Saudi send APCs and troops to Bahrain during protests there, though with the permission of Bahrain's rulers.
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Eh, they don't have anything on Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDvG6mByIpU
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From that ultimatum, I really can't work out whether Saudi Arabia is gearing up to invade Quatar or if we're just seeing the consequences of a tiny number of absolute monarchs making up foreign policy according to their whims of the moment. I guess we'd know if SA was concentrating forces at the Quatar border?
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Whats tragic?They were autocrats and strongmen , Hohenzollern, Habsburg and Romanov can all rot.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:54
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The Qatari government has predictably rejected the list of demands - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40391224 So I guess now we wait until the 3rd of July to see if the Saudis have any kind of follow up action planned.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:11
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Holy crap this is legit amazing. Also excited that I understand some of the words because of Urdu.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:21
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54.4 crowns posted:Whats tragic?They were autocrats and strongmen , Hohenzollern, Habsburg and Romanov can all rot. Because if there is war, it could spread or get worse. Iran and turkey could get involved as could we.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Eh, they don't have anything on Iraq. Please more of this. Do we have any Kurdish blues or something? edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyLZLiosfT0 second edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-ygIInLSUk last edit I promise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGvbx2q1yf0 CherryCola fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 18:25
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Nope I lied, found a Peshmerga rapper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nsO0XeGmlo oh man the monologue at the end is great. HEY ISIS THIS IS A LAND OF PEACE AND ALSO THE LAND OF DESTROYING THE TERRORISM. heck yeah CherryCola fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 18:38
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CherryCola posted:Nope I lied, found a Peshmerga rapper. Pesh got flow.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:43
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This is the best derail in the history of the thread.Flayer posted:The Qatari government has predictably rejected the list of demands - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40391224 The UAE's foreign minister is quoted as saying the alternative isn't escalation, so it could just be that this blockade will continue indefinitely and the GCC will expel Qatar. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 18:49
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Personally I think this wins in the category of best music video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0X5zz2GsA
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Jun 24, 2017 18:57
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There has been a good deal of fighting taking place close to the Israeli border all throughout the day. Naturally some of that ended up bleeding into the Golan heights in the form of shelling. Israel mad the usual reply and decided to share some footage. https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/878675970181431296
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Jun 24, 2017 22:13
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I'm sure that was very smart and will absolutely not keep fueling low key rumors that Israel gives undercover support to daesh.
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Jun 24, 2017 22:57
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Personally I think it's cool Israel is helping Islamist forces.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:17
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Yes, this is a tried and true tactic with no downside really.
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CherryCola posted:Please more of this. Do we have any Kurdish blues or something? Not blues, but Kurdish pop is...certainly something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLMtTQsiW6I Bonus points for r  ution google ron paul
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Helly Luv is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1zTJFrDKQs ...I should scrub my browser history tonight.
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Jun 25, 2017 07:42
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https://twitter.com/ajaltamimi/status/878678327258730500 New Al Qaeda offensive in Quneitra.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:50
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Seymour Hersh had a piece published in Welt claiming the US narrative about the Khan Sheikhoun attack is false, but it's a load of crap based on a single source. I've picked it apart here https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/06/25/will-get-fooled-seymour-hersh-welt-khan-sheikhoun-chemical-attack/ It not only contradicts the US version of events, but also the Russian and Syrian version.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:09
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Brown Moses posted:It not only contradicts the US version of events, but also the Russian and Syrian version. maybe the truth really is in the middle
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Jun 25, 2017 11:16
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Brown Moses posted:Seymour Hersh had a piece published in Welt claiming the US narrative about the Khan Sheikhoun attack is false, but it's a load of crap based on a single source. I've picked it apart here Now taking bets on whether both Welt and Hersh are going to ignore your piece completely. I'm giving it a 1:200 for ignorance! Roll up roll up!
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Jun 25, 2017 11:30
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Welt has published Hersh's evidence https://t.co/CfUOjiV8Wb
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Brown Moses posted:Welt has published Hersh's evidence  So... it's one guy in the White House talking with some dude in Syria about how evil the CNN is? What the gently caress
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Jun 25, 2017 12:22
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I think he's right to be angry in this instance, but Erdogan never misses the chance to remind everyone that he'd like to make Turkey Ottoman again. https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/878948624411086848
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Not sure if Pakistan counts as Middle East, but holy gently caress: Overturned oil tanker explodes in Pakistan, killing 148. Apparently people were trying to collect fuel from a crashed tanker when the whole thing went up. Somebody may have had the bright idea of having a cigarette and the police couldn't control the crowds.
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khwarezm posted:Not sure if Pakistan counts as Middle East, but holy gently caress: Overturned oil tanker explodes in Pakistan, killing 148. It was in a relatively impoverished area of Pakistan too, loads of small farmers and such.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:47
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Who reads this and thinks it's a real conversation?quote:AS: Russians are being extremely reasonable. Despite what the news is reporting they are still trying to deconflict and coordinate the air campaign.
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Brown Moses posted:Who reads this and thinks it's a real conversation? Those Russians are being so reasonable. Reasonable and nice. Russia good. Russia... friend?
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Brown Moses posted:Who reads this and thinks it's a real conversation? I like to imagine the parenthetical after "rebel weapon cache" (a legitimate target) wasn't just an editorial insertion but was actually pronounced somehow by the soldier
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Squalid posted:I like to imagine the parenthetical after "rebel weapon cache" (a legitimate target) wasn't just an editorial insertion but was actually pronounced somehow by the soldier That is actually possible. But it should probably be written with commas, like this, instead of parentheses! 
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has Hersh just become bad, or was he always this bad?quote:Going back to the attack site, this ignoring or ignorance of contradictory information is also apparent. Open source material from the day of the attack, as well as satellite imagery analysis by various sources (including this excellent piece by the New York Times) consistently point to the same impact sites, one of which is the specific crater claimed to be the source of Sarin released on the day of the attack. None of these point to the structure described by Hersh, nor is there any evidence of a site as described by Hersh being attacked. Journalists visited the town soon after the attack, and made no mention of the site as described by Hersh. he didn't even check if the site he reports as being attacked even exists???
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Brown Moses posted:Who reads this and thinks it's a real conversation? I... guess I do? Why wouldn't it be?
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:has Hersh just become bad, or was he always this bad? Seems once Hersh has his anonymous source telling him stuff any other information doesn't matter. Like I say in the article, if Hersh can provide the co-ords of the attacked site we can all go look on satellite imagery on Terraserver that shows the town before and after the attack, a 500lb bomb leaves clear damage, so it should be no problem to spot. The really dumb bit for me is how Russia supposedly did all this monitoring and intel gathering, yet when they presented their counterclaim to claims from locals and the US they told a different version of events, with a different type of target, attacked in a different location, at a different time. If Hersh is telling the truth there's no reason for them not to tell the truth, and they should have plenty of footage of the attacked site (and likely the moment of impact), yet they choose not to share any of it and instead lie about it for no good reason. I know Russia lies a lot about events in Syria, but this is lying to make them look more guilty, not less.
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That Hersh article is super embarrassingly bad.
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Count Roland posted:I... guess I do? Why wouldn't it be? Because it's really neat and suggestive of the narrative promoted by Hersh, while conveniently sidesteps any verifiable or falsifiable claims. And also because there's no proof that this discussion ever happened, or that these people even exist. It reads like an exchange between two imaginary people written by a struggling tom clancy pen name author.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:01
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Syrian rebels are actually just drug addicts who are experimenting with stronger and stronger forms of inhalants.
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Count Roland posted:I... guess I do? Why wouldn't it be? Well, it is very odd to say the least. I wonder why it was felt necessarily to omit the name of the Security Adviser, as typically a journalist would want to be able to get a confirm/deny from them on the transcript. American Soldier is also an oddly vague job title. From the transcripts they apparently have access to high level intelligence and direct communication with the Russians, and in fact somehow has better access to this information than the Security Adviser, who for some reason is asking him about the Russian response rather than officials in State or NSA. If it is to protect these sources, well there's not a long list of people who would have the authority to know this kind of information and presumably the government would also have the transcripts anyway. It is also unusually direct for this kind of raw transcript. Usually if you are reading communications like this the relevant lines will be interspersed with a lot of extraneous details. Someone on the staff of the National Security Council is probably going to be calling a base with some very specific business reason, and these kinds of revelations tend to appear within the context of some other conversation. These are unusually focused. Even accounting for tight editing by Welt these are surprisingly focused. Most suspicious of all is the American Soldier's line where he says "I guess it really didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump." This is very unusual. The military takes being non-political very seriously and this kind of outburst would definitely not be expected in a professional conversation with someone who's office might be in the West Wing. Nothing impossible in these transcripts, but they do stretch credulity. lollontee posted:Because it's really neat and suggestive of the narrative promoted by Hersh, while conveniently sidesteps any verifiable or falsifiable claims. And also because there's no proof that this discussion ever happened, or that these people even exist. It reads like an exchange between two imaginary people written by a struggling tom clancy pen name author. edit: basically this. Tom Clancy could probably write more convincing dialogue.
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Sergg posted:Syrian rebels are actually just drug addicts who are experimenting with stronger and stronger forms of inhalants. Sounds like the plot to Jacob's Ladder.
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