Razputeen posted:

i am pretty sure it is clear to everyone that whatever else is true i am, in fact, criticizing you. this may be difficult but please note that you are feeling the emotion you feel when your print copy of tv guide says there is a show about trains on, but there is not

mediadave posted:

https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/881489982690611200

mediadave posted:

https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/881489982690611200

fishmech posted:

No, you're flailing like the smoothbrain you are because it was pointed out by multiple people that your belief in Hersh's poo poo and other known wrong stuff makes you look like a clown. And once again, the hilariously sad fact that you went and registered a whole new account to dodge a probation within 30 minutes. Take your pills, Tezzor.


Didn't he do this before the referendum he held too, or was that less explicit in the original Turkish?

Punkin Spunkin posted:

Can both of you fucks, center right mediocrity and schizoid tankie, respectively, respectfully, plz stop ruining this thread with ur slap fight? Thanks

mediadave posted:

https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/881489982690611200

Razputeen posted:

i definitely agree that it is hilariously sad that i get banned for irritating the likes of you but i suspect we think this is for different reasons

Rincewinds posted:

It would be funny considering they supported Erdogan crusade against HDP, except for the part where everybody are hosed.

Razputeen posted:

i'm a schizoid tankie not because i have affirmatively said anything positive about hersh or his story at all, but rather because i note that implausible stories based on anonymous sources are totally fine with these Very Serious People when they are just trivialities like justifying a war or assassination or saying that the president drinks russian hooker pee and loves it

Punkin Spunkin posted:

Squalid posted:

I mostly remember you earnest posting about your conversion to Quakerism

Ardennes posted:

At least to me, openly going after the CHP (which has more or less has been around in some form since the fall of the Ottoman Empire) is well pretty unprecedented (I will be happy to be corrected). The HDP itself has already been relatively neutered, and the MHP has already been co-opted but the CHP was always one constant (left) in Turkish politics.

To be honest, I think Erdogan would be better off just turning it in sham opposition party than dismantling it out right.

(Also it would be loving dark if the only offical opposition left were the f'ing Grey Wolves and friends.)

Tweezer Reprise posted:

In all SA spats, I figure the odds-on favorite is always fishmech, just due to his sheer longevity.

I also actually quite enjoy reading fishmech's posts and don't quite get the -themed beef goons sometimes have with him.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/qatar-formally-respond-saudi-led-list-monday-170702202036876.html

seems kuwait got the GCC to give Qatar another 48 hours. i assume they are trying to talk the saudies out of this poo poo.

Al-Saqr posted:

What are they going to do? They've already done everything they can short of either a full starvation blockade or an invasion, if they do either of those it's pretty much the end of the GCC as a functioning unit.

Punkin Spunkin posted:

I mean, if by US right you mean their supporters then I wager most of them don't even know Qatar is a country that exists. How many Trump supporters are even aware of or give a flying gently caress about something as fundamental as like, the Shiite/Sunni divide?
The politicians don't actually unironically believe in anything so that doesn't matter.

Punkin Spunkin posted:

I mean, if by US right you mean their supporters then I wager most of them don't even know Qatar is a country that exists. How many Trump supporters are even aware of or give a flying gently caress about something as fundamental as like, the Shiite/Sunni divide?
The politicians don't actually unironically believe in anything so that doesn't matter.

Whoever Controls Benghazi Controls Libya posted:

In February 2014, [Khalifa Haftar] appeared on television and announced the dissolution of the elected parliament, meeting only ridicule. “The coup that wasn’t,” people called it. Then, that summer, amid Benghazi’s intractable violence, he found his opening. With just a few hundred followers drawn from disaffected army units and eastern tribes, and some dilapidated aircraft, he launched Operation Dignity to take on the city’s Islamist militias. Within a year, his forces controlled most of the east. The campaign was unsanctioned by the Tripoli government and would soon throw the country into civil war.

Operation Dignity, Haftar explained to me then, sought not only to drive out the Islamists, but to reclaim the honor of the uniformed officers who’d been sidelined by militias. He complained that the officers of the ex-regime were paid far less than untrained Islamist militias with ties to jihadists, and blamed the situation on the corruption of the parliament and civilian leadership in Tripoli. Most importantly, though, Haftar wanted to remake Libya’s politics by expunging political Islamists, especially from the Muslim Brotherhood, who he accused of complicity in the violence. This goal aligned neatly with the policies of Egyptian strongman Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, whose speeches Haftar copied and whose military and political support would prove vital.

quote:

But Haftar had erred. By attacking the Islamists, he had lumped moderates together with jihadists and, as time wore on, the balance of power shifted to the radicals, bolstered by an influx of Tunisians, Egyptians, and other foreigners. In early 2015, the Islamic State arrived and exploited the chaos. Islamists who might’ve reconciled with the Libyan state were killed off or exiled, or they cast their fates with the so-called caliphate.

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In Misrata, I met several of the militiamen who’ve shipped weapons to the Islamists fighting Haftar. They complain that his war has stoked a new nativism among some of the eastern tribes allied with Dignity. Those whom these tribes deemed not native to Benghazi and the east they brand as ghuraba, or “westerners.” No matter that Misratan families had migrated to Benghazi centuries ago, settling in the city’s downtown, where they thrived as traders and builders. Now, tribes who came to Benghazi in recent decades from its rural environs accused them of not belonging. Even worse, they labeled the Misratans Turks or Circassians, references to the Misrata’s historical links with the Ottoman Empire. “This is a tribal racism,” said one of them.

quote:

Another byproduct of Operation Dignity has been a surge in conservative Islam in Benghazi and across the east. Despite the common portrayal of Haftar as secular and anti-Islamist, he has co-opted and supported conservative, Saudi-inspired Salafists. These so-called “quietist” Salafists embrace a doctrine of loyalty to a sitting political ruler and hostility to more activist and jihadist forms of Islamism, like the Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. Unsurprisingly, they joined Dignity from the beginning. They later sent a delegation to Saudi Arabia to secure a fatwa from their clerical mentor in Saudi Arabia authorizing support for Haftar.

In recent months, the pro-Haftar Salafists have attempted to consolidate their control of security affairs and social life in Benghazi and to the east. They field their own militia, and deploy it across the city’s frontlines. They are also active in prisons; I met one of them who works on the theological “rehabilitation” of captured jihadists. The Salafists also function as a sort of morality police. They have confiscated and burned books deemed heretical and shut down an “Earth Day” celebration, branding it as un-Islamic. Their influence unnerves many of Haftar’s liberal supporters: They thought he’d restore security and oust the Islamists, not unleash Islamists of his own.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

awful as gently caress, but gently caress em. the stupid fucks should have figured this was coming when they joined up with isis. still horrible. apparently the russians are part of some russian PMC that is made up of veterans from the Chechen wars judiging from the facebook page.

Human Grand Prix posted:

This is a poor line of thinking. Torture is never ok or justifiable.

Al-Saqr posted:

The retard Assad supporter quoted here is correct. shame he's too much of a shithead to realize how big a hypocrite he is.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

I am not defending the torture. It's hosed up and it never works. All I was saying in my petty way was I am not gonna weep over some Isis soldiers falling into the Russians hands.

Duckbag posted:

It's OK to murder the people. They're enemies of the people. Obviously.

steinrokkan posted:

I find it darkly humorous that the militantly xenophobic Islamist currency depicts the place of Christs's second coming, from which he shall unite all people of the Books in peace.

LeoMarr posted:

I voted for dobald trump because hillary would have already had us balls deep in syria. shed have orderedthe NFZ rapidly and none of the chemical aytacks would have happened however the cards would have all been on the table. T has kept us afloat in syria without raising sails far enough to defer our course. were setting up bases in east syria. they arent going anywhere. qatar is our ally. we wont let SA invade tbem this whole spat is dumb. T knows this. this is why he has been quote presidential i. his approach to the crisos. thanks GOD for T

Al-Saqr posted:

The retard Assad supporter quoted here is correct. shame he's too much of a shithead to realize how big a hypocrite he is.

Al-Saqr posted:

Who's arguing this?

Razputeen posted:

i'm a schizoid tankie not because i have affirmatively said anything positive about hersh or his story at all, but rather because i note that implausible stories based on anonymous sources are totally fine with these Very Serious People when they are just trivialities like justifying a war or assassination or saying that the president drinks russian hooker pee and loves it

LeoMarr posted:

I voted for dobald trump because hillary would have already had us balls deep in syria. shed have orderedthe NFZ rapidly and none of the chemical aytacks would have happened however the cards would have all been on the table. T has kept us afloat in syria without raising sails far enough to defer our course. were setting up bases in east syria. they arent going anywhere. qatar is our ally. we wont let SA invade tbem this whole spat is dumb. T knows this. this is why he has been quote presidential i. his approach to the crisos. thanks GOD for T

Al-Saqr posted:

Who's arguing this?