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Cyrano4747 posted:There there little librarian, it's OK. Books still matter. The Nottingham library has a copy of Hersey's book. Sandwiched between The Greatest Generation and something by Stephen Ambrose. 
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Look at these hipsters all into books made of paper.
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May 9, 2014 21:12
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Do you know what would survive the EMP after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? Not eBooks.
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May 9, 2014 21:23
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Insane Totoro posted:Do you know what would survive the EMP after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? Do you know what would survive the firestorms after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? Not books. well, not many of them. Everybody here go read A Canticle for Leibowitz if you haven't already
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May 9, 2014 21:26
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Today I wear my Already Read It badge with pride.
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May 9, 2014 21:27
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Do you know who would survive the giant mess after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? Not goons. Alternately: "That's not fair. That's not fair at all. There was time now. There was all the time I needed...! That's not fair!"
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May 9, 2014 21:29
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Yeah, but who would survive Godzilla? Apparently Air & Space interviewed a couple of airmen at Kadena about how to deal with a Godzilla attack. One guy gives joke answers. The other one takes the question relatively seriously. "And if he goes underwater, the Navy can deal with him"
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May 9, 2014 23:01
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Great documentary on the Vulcan Bomber/initial Falklands conflict here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEFe-dh_UpI Edit: It highlights just how poo poo a condition the bombers were in when the war/conflict first broke out. I assumed they were kept more up to date! DrAlexanderTobacco fucked around with this message at 23:46 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 23:44
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do you know what would survive the firestorms after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? I know that each one that does could be worth 100 caps each!
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Veritek83 posted:Yeah, but who would survive Godzilla? They're out there every day protecting us from Godzilla. And don't forget pirates. And jellyfish - those whack invertebrates will sting you, old school! Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 01:06 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 00:09
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Cyrano4747 posted:well, not many of them. Everybody here go read A Canticle for Leibowitz if you haven't already Seconded.
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Insane Totoro posted:Do you know what would survive the EMP after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? Yet if we move to eBooks, it means some regime/administration in the future could get cooperative states to decide what everyone gets to read on their eBook! Besides, libraries are *inefficient* structures in this day and age - real estate we could repurpose into something useful, like a new mega-chain bank!  Also, if you want a truly depressing post-apocalyptic reading experience, read Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban. The entire book is in phoenetic English that looks exactly how people loving type now because writing skills have taken a poo poo since texting and education standards slipped. Then realize that it's written like that because it's being recounted by a person with no formal education. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 07:24
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Feersum enjin (Fearsome engine) by Iain M. Banks is like that every other chapter. It really messes with your head.
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May 10, 2014 11:34
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do you know what would survive the firestorms after a Cold War style exchange of nukes? One of the interesting Cold War relics in Finland is the system of free library copies (the system existed before 1945). Everything published in Finland is required to be filed into seven different libraries (one of which is the national library), to preserve cultural heritage. This includes stuff like magazines so all the libraries have a complete set of every porn mag ever published in Finland. Most of that stuff is at least here in my city placed in huge underground vaults under the universities.
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Caconym posted:Feersum enjin (Fearsome engine) by Iain M. Banks is like that every other chapter. It really messes with your head. I've read posts from people on the Internet for years, that book should be simple.
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Kemper Boyd posted:One of the interesting Cold War relics in Finland is the system of free library copies (the system existed before 1945). Everything published in Finland is required to be filed into seven different libraries (one of which is the national library), to preserve cultural heritage. This includes stuff like magazines so all the libraries have a complete set of every porn mag ever published in Finland. The US does (or perhaps did) something similar- the Federal Depository Library System. Every state capital city, DC plus a handful of territories. The collection list includes things like college yearbooks and STD info pamphlets.
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:
That's amazing, I had no idea that they'd allowed their IFR capability to atrophy so completely. For those who didn't watch it, apparently they hadn't refueled Vulcans in flight for *20 years* because they considered it too dangerous and they had to do some rapid re-engineering to even get their hands on enough parts to assemble a working system. And then they had to, you know, train the crews how to do it. Obviously being in such proximity to the Soviet Union makes such a capability less important, but still, this was during a period of time where the US was keeping B-52s up in the air, constantly, 24 hours a day.
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Phanatic posted:And then they had to, you know, train the crews how to do it. Obviously being in such proximity to the Soviet Union makes such a capability less important, but still, this was during a period of time where the US was keeping B-52s up in the air, constantly, 24 hours a day. The US stopped 24 hour airborne alerts in 1968 after a series of crashes, culminating in the Thule Chrome Dome crash with nuclear weapons on board. Ground alerts were continued but there wasn't anything up in the air continuously past 1968.
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Kemper Boyd posted:One of the interesting Cold War relics in Finland is the system of free library copies (the system existed before 1945). Everything published in Finland is required to be filed into seven different libraries (one of which is the national library), to preserve cultural heritage. This includes stuff like magazines so all the libraries have a complete set of every porn mag ever published in Finland. I can imagine Raiders of the Lost Porno being a huge hit three hundred years from now.
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Phanatic posted:That's amazing, I had no idea that they'd allowed their IFR capability to atrophy so completely. For those who didn't watch it, apparently they hadn't refueled Vulcans in flight for *20 years* because they considered it too dangerous and they had to do some rapid re-engineering to even get their hands on enough parts to assemble a working system. And then they had to, you know, train the crews how to do it. There's a Thatcherite Labour-burn in there somewhere, I'm sadly not British enough to extract it
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StandardVC10 posted:I can imagine Raiders of the Lost Porno being a huge hit three hundred years from now. People 2000 years from now will be very confused about what cable-men and pizza delivery boys did in the 21st century.
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May 10, 2014 23:06
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Party Plane Jones posted:The US stopped 24 hour airborne alerts in 1968 after a series of crashes, culminating in the Thule Chrome Dome crash with nuclear weapons on board. Ground alerts were continued but there wasn't anything up in the air continuously past 1968. Ground alerts stopped in the 90s. Both were redundant with ICBMS/SLBMs, and rather dangerous.
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Party Plane Jones posted:The US stopped 24 hour airborne alerts in 1968 after a series of crashes, culminating in the Thule Chrome Dome crash with nuclear weapons on board. Ground alerts were continued but there wasn't anything up in the air continuously past 1968. One of the crashes was precisely caused by in-flight refueling, killing everyone in the tanker and half the crew of the bomber, and causing lasting nuclear contamination over more than two square kilometers of Spanish soil. Story ended with a Spanish guy claiming salvage rights on one of the nukes which had sunk in the Mediterranean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 23:47 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 23:44
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Party Plane Jones posted:The US stopped 24 hour airborne alerts in 1968 after a series of I was referring to the 20 year period of time during which they lost the ability to IFR the Vulcans, I didn't mean to suggest that we were doing that with B52s during the early 80s.
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Sorry if this was already shared. Video demonstrating how tanks are able to overcome a few ditches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Oohqtr83Q Not as long as I'd remembered, sadly 
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Agean90 posted:People 2000 years from now will be very confused about what cable-men and pizza delivery boys did in the 21st century. They fixed the cable?
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May 11, 2014 01:38
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Why is that pizza delivery man laying pipe? That's not his job!
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bitcoin bastard posted:Why is that pizza delivery man laying pipe? That's not his job! He's not laying pipe, he's delivering the sausage.
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The economy must have been really bad if that woman is willing to prostitute herself for pizza.
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MrChips posted:They fixed the cable? Indeed 
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May 11, 2014 03:53
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MrChips posted:They fixed the cable? Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.
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Phanatic posted:That's amazing, I had no idea that they'd allowed their IFR capability to atrophy so completely. For those who didn't watch it, apparently they hadn't refueled Vulcans in flight for *20 years* because they considered it too dangerous and they had to do some rapid re-engineering to even get their hands on enough parts to assemble a working system. And then they had to, you know, train the crews how to do it. Obviously being in such proximity to the Soviet Union makes such a capability less important, but still, this was during a period of time where the US was keeping B-52s up in the air, constantly, 24 hours a day. Not only that, but they made a point to state just how much had been forgotten since WW2 - including conventional bombing runs! Even though the mission itself was sort of a flop, I'm impressed they pulled it off.
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Well they did achieve what they set out to do, its just the mission itself probably wasn't that worthwhile in the first place given the amount that had to be done to drop 1 bomb on the runway.
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Heliosicle posted:Well they did achieve what they set out to do, its just the mission itself probably wasn't that worthwhile in the first place given the amount that had to be done to drop 1 bomb on the runway. Well, the intention was to completely gently caress up the runway so it was unusable before the main task force arrived. They achieved reaching Port Stanley, dropping bombs and withdrawing without taking damage, for sure - But the runway itself wasn't really damaged. Most planes were able to operate off it effectively, IIRC C130s and their main fast jet. It was repaired within 24 hours. Only one bomb actually hit the runway. The rest damaged the surrounding area. I think the mission still held merit as it must have scared the Argies a fair bit, considering it was a lone bomber they didn't detect until it was something like 60 seconds out. It proved that the UK took the situation seriously and weren't hoping to just intimidate through gunboat diplomacy. It didn't stop Argentina from sinking the HMS Sheffield with a jet-launched Exocet though so 
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IIRC, the one bomb thing was intentional, since they bombed the runway at an angle. If you try to bomb along the length at night there is a good chance you'll miss the runway entirely. And the Argentinians never operated jets from Stanley, they had some weird light propeller strike plane there that ended up doing very little in the war.
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May 11, 2014 13:16
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Pucara. Also, I think it made it very clear that if we could hit the FI we would also be able to have a go at BA.
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ArchangeI posted:IIRC, the one bomb thing was intentional, since they bombed the runway at an angle. If you try to bomb along the length at night there is a good chance you'll miss the runway entirely. And the Argentinians never operated jets from Stanley, they had some weird light propeller strike plane there that ended up doing very little in the war. You're right, they had the Pucara there! My mistake. If you were to show the chaps in the Vulcan this image before they took off, I'd doubt they'd view that as a successful strike - From a perspective based on damage to the airfield.  (Bomb from the first mission circled) monkeytennis posted:Pucara. That's true as well, if I remember correctly the Argentinian air force moved their actual jet forces a little further inland after the strike.
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:That's true as well, if I remember correctly the Argentinian air force moved their actual jet forces a little further inland after the strike. Not just "a little further inland," they pulled the majority of their Mirage IIIs all the way back to Buenos Aires and basically kept them completely out of the war from that point on because they figured if the Brits were crazy enough to put together a mission to plant Martin's bomb on the Port Stanley runway, they were probably crazy enough to try and strike Buenos Aires.
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monkeytennis posted:Pucara. Apparently a Sea Harrier got a guns kill on one of them, which is probably the last NATO guns kill on a fixed wing aircraft. edit: Reagan offered an Iwo-Jima class boat if the Brits lost an aircraft carrier to Argentina. 
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Party Plane Jones posted:Apparently a Sea Harrier got a guns kill on one of them, which is probably the last NATO guns kill on a fixed wing aircraft. Yep. The entire crew would have been "discharged" and then hired as contractors and some other black magic to make them legal combatants without actually having to ask Congress. The paperwork was ready, this could have happened pretty easily. e: apparently what I've read conflicts with what's on Wikipedia. I'll try to look into it at work tomorrow. Red Crown fucked around with this message at 23:19 on May 11, 2014 |
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