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I assume that the courts wouldn't have granted the freeze if there was no grounds.
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An Angry Bug posted:Nope. GW doesn't even have the grounds to file it, but they're doing it anyway. They want to hurt him economically so he's forced to settle, because otherwise the courts are going to rightfully take GW to the cleaners. This has been a long time coming.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 18:58 |
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Belay that twin-link order
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:02 |
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Direwolf posted:So I saw the end turns of a Deathwing vs Green Tide Orks game this past weekend, and I'm pretty sure there were more dead Terminators by the end than Orks. Medusas, Thudd Guns, and Volkite Culvrins will do some nasty work. Phosphex would actually be pretty comical here, since it would force the orcs to take multiple dangerous terrain checks and slow them down. Hard to beat Myrmidon Distructors though: x12 Volkite Culvrins = x15 dead every turn @ 40" e: would actually kill more since the invulns are only for half the guys, it would be closer to 24 per turn without saves BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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no one cares about 30k but you and me
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:07 |
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There are some other 30k in 40k hams in here. Its getting more and more acceptable and with the new FW chaos book brining legion stuff to the dark god armies I'm expect more and more people to get exposed to it. I actually love the idea of the green tide list. Its what I imagine when I think of orcs.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:12 |
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MasterSlowPoke posted:I assume that the courts wouldn't have granted the freeze if there was no grounds. Stays or injunctions or other such temporary measures can be granted based on surprisingly spurious grounds, from what I've seen. (I'm not 100% sure what the distinctions are and I know an asset freeze isn't the same thing as either, but hopefully you see my point.) You could see it sometimes in the gay marriage cases where the anti-gay side would ask for something to keep marriages from going through right away and the court would say yeah, have another few weeks, even though everyone knew that the eventual strikedown of the ban was more or less a fait accompli. Obviously nerdgames aren't in the same sphere of relative importance as civil rights, but in this case they have the relevant similarity of the court granting a temporary thing when the end result is pretty much sewn up. Maybe just because they don't want GW to be able to claim any mistreatment or have any recourse when all is said and done.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:17 |
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It's a pretty common legal tactic, in order to destroy smaller businesses. I'm honestly surprised that it didn't happen sooner. He could maybe counter sue for abuse of process but those are difficult to prove.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:21 |
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A stay just prevents the ruling of a count until an appeal is heard. It's a whole 'nother ballpark. The courts don't freeze the assets of a defendant on the whim of the plaintiff.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:21 |
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Dice Discussion : I still maintain that Chessex dice are hot garbage and not worth purchasing ever.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:23 |
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What alternatives are there? The brick of D6s is pretty drat convenient.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:24 |
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First of all, a stay and an injunction are hugely different things. Either way there is a huge difference between getting a stay of proceedings and freezing the assets of a company.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:26 |
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I use sharped edged mini casino dice. Casino dice for life but yea I avoid Chessex just because they're dice literally are unbalanced. I'll try and dig up the picture someone made of them cutting open 10 of the chessex dice. Generally they have air bubbles inside them or are actually lop sided. They're really cheaply made. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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An Angry Bug posted:Nope. GW doesn't even have the grounds to file it, but they're doing it anyway. They want to hurt him economically so he's forced to settle, because otherwise the courts are going to rightfully take GW to the cleaners. This has been a long time coming. A judge granted it... so clearly there is SOME grounds for it. Otherwise it would have just been tossed.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:31 |
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Judges can do whatever the gently caress they want basically. A judge can literally call your mother a whore and tell you that you were conceived by the anti christ and you can't do anything.( As long as he's in court) Just because that judge found groudns for it doesn't mean anything. They have a huge amount of discretion that's why we have an appeals process.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:32 |
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But, as pointed out, a stay of judgement is entirely different to an asset freeze. Something is going on here a bit more interesting than the usual.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:36 |
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Okay, yeah, I was pretty unclear on the terminology, sorry. Stay and injunction were linked in my mind for some reason.Ghost Hand posted:A judge granted it... so clearly there is SOME grounds for it. Otherwise it would have just been tossed. But the point remains that as Hollismason said, it could be just a standard thing? They might not grant it on a whim but they might also just be saying 'yeah, freezing the assets so they can't do business while we wait for an appeal is within the umbrella of reasonable legal requests.' Where, of course, we define 'reasonable' as 'poo poo a high-powered corporate counsel can get away with.'
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:36 |
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Ghost Hand posted:A judge granted it... so clearly there is SOME grounds for it. Otherwise it would have just been tossed. GW won a judgment in the previous iteration of these suits and the assets are being frozen in anticipation of discovery, not any additional wrongdoing.
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Hollismason posted:I use sharped edged mini casino dice. Casino dice for life but yea I avoid Chessex just because they're dice literally are unbalanced. I'll try and dig up the picture someone made of them cutting open 10 of the chessex dice. Generally they have air bubbles inside them or are actually lop sided. Do they make mini dice? The problem with a lot of the other dice makers is that, while better quality, they are large and you can't buy them in a brick.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:40 |
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"Casino dice" is one of my trigger words in 40k.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:41 |
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ah yes the guy who thinks 'judges can do whatever the gently caress they want' unironically is the person you should be listening to about legal issues
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:47 |
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You can get small casino dice they're not as large as the normal casino dice, the small casino dice make a good brick. Honestly, I have had these casino dice for like ever. I wouldn't begin to know where to get new small casino dice. I heard good things about Game Science but they did not make casino dice.REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:ah yes the guy who thinks 'judges can do whatever the gently caress they want' unironically is the person you should be listening to about legal issues They pretty much can. They have a wide scope when it comes to things. I'm not saying the thing is groundless just that it's not like a unusual thing for them to do this. It's pretty common especially in lawsuits involving businesses. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Hollismason posted:
It's this happening in the UK? I don't know how their systems differ from those in the US, but I'm betting it involves more powdered wigs and fancy costumes. Maybe they have to see if the Chapterhouse guy weighs more than a goose.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:54 |
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grim-dark-steam-punk
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 19:59 |
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hey you know what's cooler than a bunch of goons not really getting the law? a huge box of FW stuff ft dog 3 predator executioners and a Typhon. can't wait to get started on it
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Squifferific posted:It's this happening in the UK? I don't know how their systems differ from those in the US, but I'm betting it involves more powdered wigs and fancy costumes. Maybe they have to see if the Chapterhouse guy weighs more than a goose. It's in the US, and the asset freeze has apparently come on the back of GW reopening settlement negotiations, surprise surprise There was meant to be a hearing where the Chapterhouse guy could fight the asset freeze on the 23rd, but that has now been pushed back to the 11th, after he's spent money on getting a flight to the hearing - which GW graciously allowed a brief unfreeze for - and adding another 2 weeks where he can't earn any money. Pretty obvious now it's the GW legal team trying to brute force a settlement, and apparently every settlement they have offered to date involved Chapterhouse admitting liability and shutting up shop. This is begging for gold chains and an A Team van paint job NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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God, the Contemptor is so so SO much better than a regular dreadnought. I really need to get around to assembling mine. I got two close combat arms for it, 'cause they look really nice and I mostly plan to paint it up as a display piece, rather than actually run it.
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I've got a team-up tourney coming up first thing November and I need some list input. It's 1000 points a piece and my partner is taking lots o' big demons with lots o' summoning power. I was going to compliment him with CSM fire support. Here's the list I came up with: - Chaos Lord: Combi-bolter, Gift of mutation, Mark of Slaanesh, Power Sword, Sigil of Corruption - 5 Noise Marines:Icon of Excess, x3 bolters, noise champ w/ Combi bolter and CCW, x1Blastmaster - Chaos Rhino: Combi bolter, Havoc Launcher, Warpflame gargoyles - 5 Noise Marines: Icon of Excess, x3 bolters, noise champ w/ Combi bolter and CCW, x1Blastmaster - Chaos Rhino: Combi bolter, Havoc Launcher, Warpflame gargoyles - 5 Havocs: Icon of Excess, x4 Missile Launchers w/ Flak Missiles, Aspiring Champ w/ Combi bolter and CCW - 3 Obliterators: Mark of Nurgle The thought behind this is let the demons take the close combat. There is no need for me to have any close combat capability, right? There was a Heldrake in the mix but I chose the Havocs instead because they come out on the first turn and should provide some decent anti-air with the flak missiles, right? The point total is 989 per battle scribe, so i have a little to play with. Am I missing anything? Lord Thrust fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Big Willy Style posted:I've been waiting for this day. What a lovely aftermarket parts supplier and the hobby will be better off without them. I'm behind on warhams drama, what has chapter done to make them lovely??
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Moola posted:I'm behind on warhams drama, what has chapter done to make them lovely?? Hes a generally really lovely person with terrible customer service and even worst casting quality. He's made all of his money by ripping people off (not just GW, but other small sculptors) and again, is a horrid human being. Also from the court documents it seems the judge imposed the asset freeze to stop him clearing all of chapterhouses assets outside of the company and claiming bankruptcy when the time comes to pay his $25,000 fine. This is a common thing in cases like this where its highly likely the person won't be able to pay their fine. They sell it all for a nominal fee to a trusted friend/family member, declare bankruptcy and go off to work for this person doing exactly the same job they had before, just that person is the 'director' in name. serious gaylord fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Post 9-11 User posted:"Casino dice" is one of my trigger words in 40k. loving seriously. And in a game of 40k you are rolling so many dice that the little imperfections in Chessex dice (or whatever) will balance out because the little imperfections will help you as much as they hurt you. Von Humboldt posted:Eldar are primarily Serpents, but you still sometimes see SEERSTAR (which is a bunch of Warlocks and Farseers with stacked powers to me nearly invincible) do alright. That build's becoming increasingly unpopular, though. Necrons are primarily a ton of flyers, but there are a number of other vicious options for them - Pylons, Catacomb Command Barges, Annihilation Barges, and Wraiths can all be incorporated into strong builds. Of course, they're up for a new book soon, so that might shake them down. Tau is still mainly Riptides and Broadsides with Markerlight support, but how you bring that support and fill the rest of your points is up to you. Farside is still fairly solid. However, the Codex as a whole has slid down a bit in 7th, so keep that in mind. It's not bad, of course, just weaker. Knights are cool, but they're normally a detachment for another force - Space Marines with a Knight, for instance. This is a pretty good summary. I also posted what the current meta is at my shop. rjderouin is clearly leaning Tau and/or knights which is fine. I only play a little bit of Tau, so I think Abuse Puppy will be a better source of advice but you are on the right track. 3+ riptides, 3+ broadsides, and then markerlights and scoring. I don't think Tau are as strong as they use to be now that 7th hit and knights are kind of a pain in the dick to handle with Tau shooting but if you can solve that problem you will be ducky. Basically when I list build I think "how do I handle fliers, wave serpents, and knights (imperial and wraith). Solve those problems and you have a tourney contender. e: my current meta from a few pages ago. Naramyth posted:Scrubs.
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serious gaylord posted:Hes a generally really lovely person with terrible customer service and even worst casting quality. He's made all of his money by ripping people off (not just GW, but other small sculptors) and again, is a horrid human being. Might also have contributed to why GW picked on his company for this. Still, even if he is lovely, it would be shittier for everyone if GW won because they are vastly overreaching, which is why he has top of the tree lawyers doing pro-bono work for him. serious gaylord posted:Also from the court documents it seems the judge imposed the asset freeze to stop him clearing all of chapterhouses assets outside of the company and claiming bankruptcy when the time comes to pay his $25,000 fine. This is a common thing in cases like this where its highly likely the person won't be able to pay their fine. They sell it all for a nominal fee to a trusted friend/family member, declare bankruptcy and go off to work for this person doing exactly the same job they had before, just that person is the 'director' in name. Lawyer guy says it's being done to force him back to the negotiating table, as his legal team considered themselves in such a strong position that they ended contact with GW and were waiting for the court ordered mediation to end and the appeal to move to the next court.
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REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:no one cares about 30k but you and me I care, it's just most of my friends refuse to play my admech! (Not entirely without reason)
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Lord Thrust posted:I've got a team-up tourney coming up first thing November and I need some list input. It's 1000 points a piece and my partner is taking lots o' big demons with lots o' summoning power. I was going to compliment him with CSM fire support. Here's the list I came up with: Daemons can do some limited shooting, like warpfire stuff, right? I'd try to complement with anti-tank/armor stuff. Also you have like 20 models in a 1000 point list. I have nearly as many terminators in my 1000 point Deathwing list, you've got a lot of extraneous upgrades here (and a combi bolter is never worth it, either pistol for the extra attack or combi-melta/plasma). Noise Marines aren't bad but isn't the whole point to have the special weapons? Havocs aren't terrible but Heldrakes are amazing. If you need anti-air how about an Aegis? Try this out: code:
Super killy I6 lord zooming around and mulching squads, 2 squads of super-shooty Noise Marines sitting behind fortifications, 2 rhinos for grabbing objectives or moving the squads if need be, a Quad Gun which is basically like a Havoc squad by itself except more accurate, and you still get Oblits and a Heldrake.
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30K question: Is there a way to do 30K in an escalation league style campaign? I've never done an escalation league but I just received my first Horus Heresy book and want to get my buddies into it. I've read many of the books, none of the other guys have, but a couple of them are aware of much of the story.
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book 3 has a kill team spinoff that has scaling points, maybe look into that?
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Direwolf posted:Daemons can do some limited shooting, like warpfire stuff, right? I'd try to complement with anti-tank/armor stuff. I really appreciate the fast input. I wanted a biker lord, for sure, but I'm afraid that no matter how killy and fast he is, he's going to die quick if he's alone. I also read somewhere that noise marines are REALLY for the free fearless and the blastmaster, if you're making them shooty, and the sonic blasters aren't much of an improvement on plain old bolters. I really like the Heldrake but I fear bad rolls keeping him off the board. Doesn't comms relay on the defense line take care of that? Hmmmmm? Any other thoughts?
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REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:no one cares about 30k but you and me I;m watching. I'm always watching for 30k.
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# ? Oct 20, 2014 21:41 |
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30k has no Tau. No Tau, no sell. Orks would also be acceptable, but they too are missing.
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Lord Thrust posted:I really appreciate the fast input. I wanted a biker lord, for sure, but I'm afraid that no matter how killy and fast he is, he's going to die quick if he's alone. I also read somewhere that noise marines are REALLY for the free fearless and the blastmaster, if you're making them shooty, and the sonic blasters aren't much of an improvement on plain old bolters. I really like the Heldrake but I fear bad rolls keeping him off the board. Doesn't comms relay on the defense line take care of that? Hmmmmm? Any other thoughts? If you want you could screen him with the Rhinos, but unless you do a full biker squad he's going to be alone at 1,000 points unfortunately. I've never used Noise Marines but they get a ton of ignores-cover shots with the blasters for their points, and will be super resilient with the Aegis. But CSM don't need to really worry about Morale much anyways, LD 9 will pass leadership checks 5/6 of the time, so if you're paying hte points tax just for Fearless there are probably better ways to spend it / get more bodies or something. Reserves come in on a 3+, then 3+, then automatic, so the odds of the Heldrake not coming in are super low. It happens, sure, but that Heldrake will do more damage and be more resilient than those Havocs, I guarantee. What kind of options do you have, model wise?
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