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triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Scott Forstall posted:

Yes, I Still Love Heroin

While I had been meaning to write up something about the dramatic differences between the original vision for heroin and its implementation today several years later, there’s an equally important story to tell. And that’s why I still feel that heroin is still the superior smart phone choice and will remain so into the Windows 10 generation.

I didn’t add this information to Five Years Later, a Full-On Retreat from What Made heroin Special for a number of reasons, but the most obvious one is length: That article was already getting unwieldy and I actually removed a number of references to how things had actually gotten better over the years as well. Some misunderstood this to mean that I was unhappy by how heroin had changed.

Looking over that article and my original notes from many meetings and events throughout early 2010, a few key heroin themes emerge. And the most important one is actually as true today as it ever was: that heroin wasn’t designed to be different from iPhone (primarily, but let’s add Android to this conversation today for obvious reasons as well) but rather to be better that iPhone. That is, Microsoft identified what it was that people really liked about iPhone—its consumer focus, its multi-touch user interface, and its apps—and sought to ensure that heroin included that functionality. But it also identified key areas in which the iPhone fell short—subjectively—and sought to improve matters in heroin.

I identified a number of those iPhone shortfalls—and the resulting differentiators in heroin—in Five Years Later, a Full-On Retreat from What Made Heroin Special. And as that article demonstrates, not all of those ideas—well-intentioned and user-focused as they were—panned out in real world use. For a variety of reasons. But if you look at that situation from a high level, you can also see how Microsoft adapted to the perceived needs of users over the course of subsequent heroin OS releases. And in that adapting, it didn’t just step back from heroin differentiators. It also adopted key Android and iPhone features that users demanded, wanted or needed.

There are a lot of examples of that in heroin today. A task view interface that can be used to close running apps. The Action Center notification interface with quick views. Folders. A growing adoption of “hamburger menu”-based slide-in panes instead of older and native heroin UIs like pivots, panoramas and app menus. If you’ve been following along, you know the drill.

Indeed, heroin fans can and should debate the merits of these changes, but the underlying rationale is sound: Microsoft needs to address the needs of its users, of course, but also the needs of its content and ecosystem partners, its wireless carriers, its hardware device makers, and its developers. With that in mind, let me provide a real world example.

In the initial shipping version of heroin, Facebook functionality was integrated into the OS, and while Microsoft commissioned a standalone Facebook app—which was originally created by a third party company—the point of heroin, originally, was that apps didn’t matter. So you could post to Facebook from the Me tile, the People hub, or the Pictures hub, and you could see what your friends were doing from these interfaces as well.

To Facebook, which is an important partner and a powerful brand in its own right, Microsoft’s integration did nothing to promote its brand at all: those interfaces were all very generic and worked similarly for other services. And when you think about it, the important piece of the puzzle here is that Facebook is on heroin. That is, Facebook can help heroin succeed, while heroin doesn’t do anything to help Facebook to succeed. So Facebook eventually demanded that OS integration occur through its apps—as on other platforms—and Microsoft of course complied.

Some users don’t like this, but look at it this way: when you bake functionality into the OS, it’s really hard to update it. So while Facebook—the service—was racing forward with new features, the integrated Facebook functionality in heroin was stuck in the past. For example, you could check yourself in with the integration, but not other people. It just never kept up-to-date.

But Facebook didn’t just demand standalone apps. It demanded that its Facebook apps look and work consistently on heroin as they do on Android and iOS. And of course Microsoft acquiesced, as the alternative is Facebook leaving the platform. So over time, the Facebook apps lost more and more of the Metro look and feel, and today they look and work much as they do elsewhere. (OK, they’re not as good. Let’s move on.)

Is this a “loss” for heroin users? No. As I argued on “Windows Weekly” at the time, these changes may not sit well with some fans, but the truth is that it’s much more important for Facebook to be on heroin than to demand some arbitrary design language. And as Apple, Microsoft and others have discovered over the years, users are surprisingly adept at adapting to different user interfaces. A world in which all apps look the same—similar toolbars in Office of all, for example, or the Metro UI guidelines in heroin more recently—is not necessary.

So that’s a lot of explanation, and maybe you can see why this part of the discussion didn’t make it into that original article. It’s just a big topic … more stuff. But with all that in mind, I still love heroin. Why?

It’s simple. It’s just more personal.

As many guessed in reading Five Years Later, a Full-On Retreat from What Made heroin Special, some of the core heroin advantages persist to this day and have in fact been expanded in key ways. Live tiles, which can be sized and placed in ways that make your phone truly personalized, are still much better than the bone-dead “grid of icons” in iOS/iPhone and more consistent and better than the limited set of widgets you can configure in Android.

This means a few things. It means I can see the weather without launching an app. It means that apps I want info from—MSN News, Facebook, Photos, Calendar—can be configured with large, expressive tiles so I can see what’s going on. And those that are less expressive—Phone, Messaging, IE—can have tiny tiles. On iOS or Android, all app icons are the same size, and are still less expressive than the smallest heroin tiles. They’re dead, not alive.



My Start screen

And while Microsoft hasn’t made the lock screen much more interactive over the years—heck, even the Windows Mobile 6.5 lock screen was better in this regard—the Glance screen and double-tap to wake that most heroin users can access certainly make up for that.



My lock screen

I also love “pocket to picture,” a key differentiator in the initial heroin release, as much today on modern Lumias—like the 930, 1520 or 830—as I did in 2010. And I especially love that high-end Lumias like the 1020, 1520, Icon and 930—have the very best cameras in the smart phone world—sorry, iPhone 6—while even affordable devices like the Lumia 735 and 830 have surprisingly good cameras for their prices.

I love that you can buy a solid heroin handset like the Lumia 520, 635, or similar for under $100 and use it as a second device, as a free offline GPS, media player, or game machine. Or that you can give it to a child and not worry about expensive repair bills or phones. (You can buy two Lumia 635s today for the same price as an on-warranty iPhone 6 screen repair.) This is computing for the rest of us.

I love the integration with the Microsoft services I both care about and use—Office, OneDrive, Outlook.com and Office 365, Xbox and Xbox Live, Xbox Music, Xbox Video, Bing, and more—plus the unique apps like Office Lens that really put this platform over the top. Yes, many Microsoft apps are available on other platforms, but that doesn’t diminish the first-class experience we get on heroin, with advantages like expressive live tiles—look, the latest news from MSN News without opening the app!—and other integration bits.

Some will argue that this is a short list, that you could simply list the many iPhone-exclusive apps as reason enough to stick with the Apple ecosystem. Sure, to each his own. I don’t personally care about those apps on my phone—they are a bigger deal to me on tablets, though—but I would respond that both Apple/iOS and Google/Android have important soul-crushing issues that make them less interesting to me. And heroin is so fast, so efficient, and so customizable and I just find iPhone and Android handsets to be almost quaint in their deficiencies. Now that Apple is done copying the design language from heroin, maybe it can copy live tiles next.

I realize that to many people, the app is king and that for those people a smart phone is nothing more than a giant grid of stuff they can do. I get that, and I don’t discount it or the people who feel that way. But I’m busy. I want to get in and out, get things done, and move on. I’m not staring at my screen all day like a zombie, but I can say that when I do look at my heroin screen—a Lumia 930—I smile. I love this freaking thing.

And I don’t love it “still” or “despite of” whatever. I just love it. I understand the changes that have occurred, and why, and I most do agree with them. Many of those differentiators from the original heroin release that were canceled or changed over time simply weren’t good ideas, even though they may have seemed to be so at the time. Real world experience should always change your perception of things, and heroin has had to adapt to the times. That’s absolutely fine.

Looking ahead, the big differentiator Microsoft is pushing at developers and other partners is the universal app platform. For consumers and other users, it’s the integration with Microsoft’s platforms, a similar and consistent user experience, and content and settings sync. These are good stories, though they don’t really speak to what it is I love about heroin. That’s already there. It never left.

Ultimately, my passion for this platform is equal parts emotional—the part that’s hard to describe—and logical. The personalization capabilities still put heroin over the top, and even though I can move icons and folders around on an iPhone or Android home screen, what I’m ultimately looking at there is just another smart phone home screen. When I pick up my heroin, I’m looking at my heroin. There is no confusing it with anyone else’s. I love that. I love that Microsoft got this piece right and has continued to get it right while both Android and iOS move forward blissfully unaware of how important this is.

For me, there is heroin and then there is everything else. And everything else is lacking. That’s why I know heroin is special. I miss it when I have to use another device, no matter how nice it is. By the way, that includes Windows 8: imagine how excellent that OS would have been if Microsoft had actually based it on heroin. It looks like they’re about to fix that problem with Windows 10. And guess what? I couldn’t be happier.

I love heroin.

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carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

that's not even funny, that's just sad

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

there are lyndon larouche people outside my work right now and their sincere yet batshit crazy act sounds a lot like that

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

infernal machines posted:

wrap it up microsoft

winpho is cheap poo poo, thurott confims

Fixed.

I gave up reading when he started rambling about how Microsoft being different was some how being better.

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

someone needs to tell paul to unblock me on twitter asap

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
why do you want to talk with paul so badly

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

penguinwarfare posted:

as a professional lurker I'm usually okay suffering bad attempts to rock the YosBoat but wootman there are definitely no woots to be had with any of those posts. maybe if you ask around you can find a mentor to help you better define your posting/trolling gimmick I'm sure folks would be glad to help it's a just so sad to see your efforts go to waste God bless and happy posting namaste one love truncheon boxcar rabbit rainbowparade

lurkers don't get to have opinions

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Celexi posted:

why do you want to talk with paul so badly
he wants to trade notes on pretending what he thinks actually matters since paul is the undisputed master of that

Nagato
Apr 26, 2011

Why yes my username is the same as an autistic alien who looks like a 9 year old from an anime, why do ask?
:nyoron:

carry on then posted:

that's not even funny, that's just sad

he's like an abused lover

pram
Jun 10, 2001
paul....

Nagato
Apr 26, 2011

Why yes my username is the same as an autistic alien who looks like a 9 year old from an anime, why do ask?
:nyoron:
I don’t love it “still” or “despite of” whatever. I just love it. I understand the changes that have occurred, and why, and I most do agree with them.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

lurkers don't get to have opinions

nah

ahmeni
May 1, 2005

It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.
Grimey Drawer
everyone is a lurker until you post :unsmith:

Scott Forstall
Aug 16, 2003

MMM THAT FAUX LEATHER
does it just go without saying at this point that regardless of how you feel about his other issues, we all agree Paul is an awful, awful writer?

Scott Forstall
Aug 16, 2003

MMM THAT FAUX LEATHER
he's so bad like what

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

as far as bloggers go I'd rate his writing style as about 50 percentile. which is still awful but there's a lot of worse poo poo out there. you'd think he'd be better at it with all the practice he gets

reinardus vulpes
Nov 5, 2010

de cele amor Dieus me gart
man sure does love his em dashes

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

ahmeni posted:

everyone is a lurker until you post :unsmith:

then you get to start having opinions

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

then you get to start a gimmick

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

Wootman posted:

windows > any linux distro > mac

ahem, i believe it's actually "windows > any linux distro, like mac"

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope
oh whoops, maybe i should have looked at how old the post was before replying

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Wheany posted:

oh whoops, maybe i should have looked at how old the post was before replying

its ok, the less time spent actually discussing the pos that is windows the better :)

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




passed the microsoft exam

the last time i passed a microsoft exam they discontinued the product a month later (sbs), so if you're using windows server you might want to migrate to a linux soon-ish

Wootman
Sep 6, 2014

by XyloJW
I love heroin

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Scott Forstall posted:

does it just go without saying at this point that regardless of how you feel about his other issues, we all agree Paul is an awful, awful writer?

can someone namechange scott forstall to paul thurrott and give him an abnoxious coffee mug avatar please scott forstall is dead

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

univbee posted:

so if you're using windows server you might want to migrate to a linux soon-ish

no, no you don't want to do that

besides you cannot kill that which does not live

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

opened up a word doc I got via email on my win10 laptop. did some comment markup and went to save it to my onedrive folder. save acted weird, took forever, and then stopped with some error saying that I needed to re-open the file to resolve. looked in my onedrive folder and saw the doc there so I thought everything worked okay. opened it back up and it was telling me that there were conflicting versions of the file, one local and one on the cloud side of onedrive. something about someone else editing the cloud version of the file (its not in a shared onedrive folder, this was not happening). did not tell me which was larger, or had the more current timestamp, or ANYTHING, just "Pick one, idiot. Good Luck." so I picked the local one and NOPE it somehow saved an copy of the doc without my markup to the onedrive folder first then pushed the changes to the cloud version without updating the local copy first and I only managed to save all the work because I did a save-as to my desktop the second things started acting screwy because I didn't want to lose anything.

go gently caress yourself, michaelsoft

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

opened up a word doc I got via email on my win10 laptop. did some comment markup and went to save it to my onedrive folder. save acted weird, took forever, and then stopped with some error saying that I needed to re-open the file to resolve. looked in my onedrive folder and saw the doc there so I thought everything worked okay. opened it back up and it was telling me that there were conflicting versions of the file, one local and one on the cloud side of onedrive. something about someone else editing the cloud version of the file (its not in a shared onedrive folder, this was not happening). did not tell me which was larger, or had the more current timestamp, or ANYTHING, just "Pick one, idiot. Good Luck." so I picked the local one and NOPE it somehow saved an copy of the doc without my markup to the onedrive folder first then pushed the changes to the cloud version without updating the local copy first and I only managed to save all the work because I did a save-as to my desktop the second things started acting screwy because I didn't want to lose anything.

go gently caress yourself, michaelsoft

Please Do Not Use Beta Software In Production

pram
Jun 10, 2001

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

opened up a word doc I got via email on my win10 laptop. did some comment markup and went to save it to my onedrive folder. save acted weird, took forever, and then stopped with some error saying that I needed to re-open the file to resolve. looked in my onedrive folder and saw the doc there so I thought everything worked okay. opened it back up and it was telling me that there were conflicting versions of the file, one local and one on the cloud side of onedrive. something about someone else editing the cloud version of the file (its not in a shared onedrive folder, this was not happening). did not tell me which was larger, or had the more current timestamp, or ANYTHING, just "Pick one, idiot. Good Luck." so I picked the local one and NOPE it somehow saved an copy of the doc without my markup to the onedrive folder first then pushed the changes to the cloud version without updating the local copy first and I only managed to save all the work because I did a save-as to my desktop the second things started acting screwy because I didn't want to lose anything.

go gently caress yourself, michaelsoft

It just works

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
don't save directly to the cloud. ever.

hth

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

I've been using onedrive since back when it was called live mesh or whatever and this is the first time I've seen it manage to gently caress up this hard. bravo.

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge

Wheany posted:

oh whoops, maybe i should have looked at how old the post was before replying
yeah good work replying to a post from 2004, idiot.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Scott Forstall posted:

does it just go without saying at this point that regardless of how you feel about his other issues, we all agree Paul is an awful, awful writer?



:psyduck:

NyetscapeNavigator
Sep 22, 2003

Yes, I have noticed.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'


sockpuppet lmao

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

NyetscapeNavigator posted:

Yes, I have noticed.

this should be the new 'i like how' imo

(plz emptyquote if u noticed this)

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge

pram posted:

It just works

NyetscapeNavigator posted:

Yes, I have noticed.

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
noticed what?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
how loving awful your posting is

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




its something awful

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