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College towns scheduling local elections during the summer is SOP IME.
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It’s hilarious reading the NextDoor stupidity. My favorite was someone complaining about “another college student food place” instead of “an adult eating establishment that’s good for kids.” Nobody wants Fuddruckers lady, also the poo poo that’s here is already awesome (Burgers and Brew is awesome and the kid loves their sweet potato fries), and college students are what keeps this city going. Otherwise we’d be another suburb of Sacramento, or more like Dixon. Also there already are family friendly eating establishments. Doing my part to support more low-income housing and apartment projects while squeezing corporate chains to give bribes to the local community!
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Apr 2, 2018 04:28
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withak posted:College towns scheduling local elections during the summer is SOP IME. It's stupid but I kind of get the townie mentality. Students know nothing about the town when they arrive, then peace out before any policies they voted on get implemented. No, students should not be disenfranchised, but yeah I get it. Davis is pretty idyllic as far as geographic setting, food, culture, recreation, raising kids. It's basically a decaf Berkeley. It's probably the best city in the central valley despite it's problems. And yes we all know how low that bar is.
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Apr 2, 2018 05:03
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Yeah I'm also an aggie and quite liked it and miss it quite a lot. Rents were cheap $600/mo for a 1br in 2009, very friendly and easy to bike everywhere, good transit (if you didn't bike for some reason), very good and cheap food, nugget owns, nice parks, and close proximity to the bay, sacrament for interns/work, or sierra nevadas for fun. If I ever got a job in Sac for like Caltreans or DWR, and I've been keeping an eye out for positions, I'd consider moving there, tho I hear it's gotten insanely expensive. Probably because everyone else has the same idea. I also later went to Berkeley for my MS and still live here (rent control owns ty). There's many good things but I think I liked Davis more in a lot of ways, especially as someone who likes to bike everywhere our bike system here loving sucks and roads are clogged to the brim with angry hemorrhoid-busting commuters following Waze or whatever making it a dangerous nightmare. But my job in is in SF and can't really beat a 35 minute ride.e
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Apr 2, 2018 05:56
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Davis is a silly little town where you can get ticketed for playing your car radio after 6pm. Some years back in Davis they built some addon to the freeway, turns out it displaced a bunch of local frogs or their migrating habits of crossing the freeway. People were complaining about all the poor dead frogs. So they build a frog thoroughfare under the freeway specifically for amphibious purposes. Turns out a couple years later they realize local birds got wise to all the frogs coming out of one tunnel and now the ecosystem is thrown off. Last I heard I think now they are building like a complex frog catapult similar to a salmon cannon to solve the problem. Davis is great.
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Apr 2, 2018 11:05
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Xaris posted:If I ever got a job in Sac for like Caltreans or DWR, and I've been keeping an eye out for positions, I'd consider moving there, tho I hear it's gotten insanely expensive. Probably because everyone else has the same idea. Yeah the real estate is getting weird - the start of more “what would you sell your house for” stuff is happening.
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Apr 2, 2018 14:15
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:It's stupid but I kind of get the townie mentality. Students know nothing about the town when they arrive, then peace out before any policies they voted on get implemented. No, students should not be disenfranchised, but yeah I get it. I agree! People over 65 should not vote.
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Apr 2, 2018 15:08
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Assuming the average student can be assed to vote in local elections.
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Apr 2, 2018 15:11
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Assuming the average student knows there are local elections
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Apr 2, 2018 16:26
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:BTW the latest Patreon-only Chapo is all about San Francisco's housing bullshit and very enlightening, at least to a royal dumbass like me who lives in SoCal. I heard this over the weekend, and their guest really wasn't good. They tried to float some "YIMBYs are a bunch of broke-brained ancaps!" bullshit, which is a fun idea but doesn't at all take into account that people get routinely blocked from building in SF because of the chance it could ruin someone's view or cause shade to fall on another city building at certain times of the day. I don't blame the Chapos for believing this but a better guest would have been good, and I think actually more entertaining.
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Apr 2, 2018 16:40
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cheese posted:
Well there's your whole fuckin' problem and it doesn't matter what the gently caress you do until tons more units are built. Social policy is the cherry on top, and policies like rent control universally fail unless you've already fixed the supply and demand side of things. There are essentially no historical or present day counter examples to the contrary, even in countries that have/had dictatorial level control over housing policy. Like even in countries that made home ownership illegal you almost instantly see black markets forming and people getting priced out and on and on. Anonymous Zebra posted:In Zurich, when I lived there, there was an extreme housing shortage despite the already ridiculous density of homes. It was at a point where all 600 units in a new apartment complex were filled before the first brick was laid and the wait list was 3000 people long. I really don't think people understand how different on nearly every level the US is from Europe, in geography, population distribution, size, and so on. That being said there's a lot more that can be done in this area in specific locations, but there's very good reasons why commuter rail isn't as big in the US as in Europe. The most obvious issue is size alone-- infrastructure costs do not scale linearly, and for rail in particular the costs go exponentially through the loving roof as area you need to cover grows linearly. And although Zurich in particular did not have this, for many European cities the wars were a boon for city planning. On the other hand, you have that the US is already developed for a particular type of transportation infrastructure (car centric) and this presents lots of problems for the railification of the US. If we wiped cities off the map and redid thing today of course you would do it very differently, but the fact remains you have to solve problems given the hand you are dealt, not the one you want. But I disagree with your overall point-- with few exceptions there is no obvious reason you can't keep supply up with demand, although it is true you can't do so and 'preserve character'.
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Apr 2, 2018 18:24
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Anonymous Zebra posted:By all means, keep building homes in urban areas, but realize that the real solution is trains and public transport, and you will never out build the growth a high economic urban area experiences. Tokyo just built an rear end-ton of housing and it's affordable. And they have great public transit. You can and should do both.
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Apr 2, 2018 18:24
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Jaxyon posted:Tokyo just built an rear end-ton of housing and it's affordable.
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Apr 2, 2018 18:30
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FilthyImp posted:Don't Japanese homes depreciate to the point that new home buyers just raze and rebuild? Also in places with crazy home prices, isn't it the land itself that comprises the bulk of the home value? edit: double also, is the thing about tearing down homes and rebuilding them every few decades true for large condo/apartment complexes too? Because my intuition is that it's not. I have a hard time believing people are going "well it's been thirty years, guess it's time to tear down this 6-story, 60-unit complex in Tokyo." Cicero fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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Apr 2, 2018 19:13
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we voted down Measure S in LA (development restrictions) and just anecdotally i see a LOT of construction all over, especially hollywood. lots of the houses that used to be like a duplex with another duplex back house are getting demod and turned into property-line-touching max-height apartment complexes and while it's surely not enough we'll see if it has any impact on rents, probably not. in my little bungalow cluster the rent-controlled unit i rented 6 years ago is now $800+/mo under its sister units when they turn over. You probably need to build enough inventory to hit the top of the demand curve before you see any downward pressure on rent, lord knows where that fucker is. somewhere up in the drat stratosphere.
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Apr 2, 2018 19:41
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FilthyImp posted:Don't Japanese homes depreciate to the point that new home buyers just raze and rebuild? Kinda-sorta, there's some truth and some FUD to that, but it's not the sort of thing that's directly comparable to other countries either way. See eg https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2014/03/31/how-tos/japans-30-year-building-shelf-life-is-not-quite-true/ One thing I didn't know before skimming that is the "30 years" thing is in part due only to stats being kept for buildings being torn down - i.e. it's not "every building in the country lasts only 30 years" but "buildings that happen to be getting torn down for any reason, are 30 years old on average". There's also (AFAIK) a strong cultural component of "problem? rebuild!!" and "need house? build new!" due in part to centuries of disasters (quakes, fires, tsunami) necessitating frequent rebuilding. Even their historic castles and temples often got rebuild every generation or two, whether they required it or not. All that said, now I'm curious if Jaxyon's statistics are about rebuilding or about adding additional total housing capacity. I assumed the latter, since overall supply/demand economics still apply regardless of any cultural/governmental differences.
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Apr 2, 2018 19:46
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Skyscraper posted:I heard this over the weekend, and their guest really wasn't good. They tried to float some "YIMBYs are a bunch of broke-brained ancaps!" bullshit, which is a fun idea but doesn't at all take into account that people get routinely blocked from building in SF because of the chance it could ruin someone's view or cause shade to fall on another city building at certain times of the day. I don't blame the Chapos for believing this but a better guest would have been good, and I think actually more entertaining. Yeah the ep is free now and I just listened. The whole issue seemed really bogged down in online arguments, and the DSA guest didn’t do a good job of refuting the “...But first the revolution” point.
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Apr 2, 2018 22:02
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HelloSailorSign posted:“an adult eating establishment Pick one. Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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bitprophet posted:All that said, now I'm curious if Jaxyon's statistics are about rebuilding or about adding additional total housing capacity. I assumed the latter, since overall supply/demand economics still apply regardless of any cultural/governmental differences. I didn't post any specific statistics, but there's numerous articles out there about how affordable Tokyo is for a city it's size. https://medium.com/land-buildings-identity-and-values/what-is-the-secret-to-tokyos-affordable-housing-266283531012 Anecdotally, huge swaths of tokyo are 8+ stories with good public transit and rent is not nearly as high as LA.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Pick one. Their definition of adult is "boring with kids and our night out at the olive garden is the highlight of our week"
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Anonymous Zebra posted:In Zurich, when I lived there, there was an extreme housing shortage despite the already ridiculous density of homes. It was at a point where all 600 units in a new apartment complex were filled before the first brick was laid and the wait list was 3000 people long. I mean, while the housing shortage is particularly acute in SF proper, the entire SF bay area has extremely expensive housing and a lot of the same issues. The greater SF bay area, by itself, has a GDP somewhat higher than Switzerland, with about the same population, in half the area. So in that sense, you are correct that this is fundamentally not just an urban planning problem, but it's also not something that can be easily solved by just moving further away.
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Xaris posted:Yeah I'm also an aggie and quite liked it and miss it quite a lot. Rents were cheap $600/mo for a 1br in 2009, very friendly and easy to bike everywhere, good transit (if you didn't bike for some reason), very good and cheap food, nugget owns, nice parks, and close proximity to the bay, sacrament for interns/work, or sierra nevadas for fun. It is getting insane. If you stay in one place you get to watch your rent go up at least $100 every year. My rent is currently $300 more for a 1bd than my mom's mortgage on a two story, 5bd 3bh house in Fresno (not that I would want to ever move back there  ). If you want to work in Sac living in West Sac makes way more sense, and you get to skip the nightmarish causeway commute to boot.
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Orange County Delende Est https://twitter.com/drvox/status/980992490852384769 https://twitter.com/drvox/status/980993176247836673
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The Glumslinger posted:Orange County Delende Est jesus christ
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Apr 3, 2018 22:06
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isnt rohrbacher the guy that's openly on moscow's payroll
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Smythe posted:jesus christ not in Orange County 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:isnt rohrbacher the guy that's openly on moscow's payroll Correct.
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Apr 3, 2018 22:26
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It made me laugh, at least: https://twitter.com/RepRoKhanna/status/980618233605697536 https://twitter.com/ValisJason/status/981039000721833984
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TaintedBalance posted:As someone who went to UC there, it is INSANE how much the City of Davis really tries to ignore the fact that the only reason it is relevant is because of the UC being there. The place turns into a ghostland during the holidays as people visit home. As someone who works at UCD I find those are wonderful times. I actually get to eat at restaurants without waiting forever or having to sneak out at 11:00.
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Apr 4, 2018 16:44
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acksplode posted:I'd really like them to acknowledge that the only lasting solution is more housing, and then get into the more worthwhile debate of where that housing gets built, how it gets funded, and who owns it. I guess Matt Bruenig heard my prayer. His think tank just published a paper today that's provoking a lot of conversation on Twitter: A Plan to Solve the Housing Crisis Through Social Housing
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Apr 5, 2018 21:52
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Combine that with a state-wide, public bank providing the loans and let's go!
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Apr 5, 2018 22:47
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I'm all for it as long as we don't gently caress it up like before. If such a program were proposed in more concrete fashion, I'd like to see whoever was putting it forth talk in detail about mistakes made with past public housing programs in the US, and how we're going to avoid them this time (likely by drawing from successful examples elsewhere).
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Apr 5, 2018 23:13
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Their definition of adult is "boring with kids and our night out at the olive garden is the highlight of our week" Man I hate that place. Wife likes to go there and it always goes something like this "im not going there, the food is poo poo and I'll have to listen to someone's screaming kid" Cut to one hour later I'm eating lovely food with a kid screaming next to us.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Man I hate that place. Wife likes to go there and it always goes something like this "im not going there, the food is poo poo and I'll have to listen to someone's screaming kid" 
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Apr 6, 2018 22:39
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Aeka might I suggest Joe's Italian on Alessandro? I haven't been there in a literal decade but it was really good when I did go. Good vibe too, far as I can remember.
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CPColin posted:Combine that with a state-wide, public bank providing the loans and let's go! DSA and Berniecrats helped get a CA public bank added to the CA Dem party platform a month or two ago.
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Apr 7, 2018 06:39
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acksplode posted:I feel like I'm without a country when it comes to CA housing policy. There's a capitalist neoliberal element in YIMBYism that grosses me out, but the DSA doesn't seem to acknowledge the urgency in building that's demanded by the housing crisis. I found the Chapo episode really disappointing. They mock the straightforward logic of building more housing to accommodate pent-up demand (what the gently caress else are you going to do?), and Shanti's calls to action at the end of the episode were to get involved with tenant rights organizations -- hardly a bad thing to get involved with, but all the eviction protections in the world aren't going to solve the housing crisis. I'd really like them to acknowledge that the only lasting solution is more housing, and then get into the more worthwhile debate of where that housing gets built, how it gets funded, and who owns it. acksplode posted:I guess Matt Bruenig heard my prayer. His think tank just published a paper today that's provoking a lot of conversation on Twitter: A Plan to Solve the Housing Crisis Through Social Housing  This is part of the DSA CA joint statement on SB 827 summary from March. You are not on your own in DSA in thinking that we need a lot more housing. Cicero rightly acknowledges that the 1960s urban renewal attempts at public housing were horrifically broken, but that is a uniquely American experience in public housing and other countries have done it successfully.
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fermun, what sort of timeline do you believe is realistic for the construction of public housing in California? And I don't mean how long would it take if everyone magically agreed to do it today. How much time would it take for this state, with the people who live in and run it today, to build an amount of housing that would affect the housing crisis?
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fermun posted:DSA and Berniecrats helped get a CA public bank added to the CA Dem party platform a month or two ago. Great! Can't wait for the Senate to pass a bill starting a state bank and Assembly Speaker Rendon to table it!
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Weembles posted:fermun, what sort of timeline do you believe is realistic for the construction of public housing in California? as long or longer than the super train??
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