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WrenP-Complete posted:Locations where gas is available or has run out are being tracked here: http://tracker.gasbuddy.com/ Added to the OP.
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enraged_camel posted:Sir... SIR! We, in civilized societies, are rich. Why then are the many poor? Why this painful drudgery for the masses? Why, even to the best paid workman, this uncertainty for the morrow, in the midst of all the wealth inherited from the past, and in spite of the powerful means of production, which could ensure comfort to all in return for a few hours of daily toil? The Socialists have said it and repeated it unwearyingly. Daily they reiterate it, demonstrating it by arguments taken from all the sciences. It is because all that is necessary for production — the land, the mines, the highways, machinery, food, shelter, education, knowledge — all have been seized by the few in the course of that long story of robbery, enforced migration and wars, of ignorance and oppression, which has been the life of the human race before it had learned to subdue the forces of Nature. It is because, taking advantage of alleged rights acquired in the past, these few appropriate to-day two-thirds of the products of human labour, and then squander them in the most stupid and shameful way. It is because, having reduced the masses to a point at which they have not the means of subsistence for a month, or even for a week in advance, the few only allow the many to work on condition of themselves receiving the lion’s share. It is because these few prevent the remainder of men from producing the things they need, and force them to produce, not the necessaries of life for all, but whatever offers the greatest profits to the monopolists. In this is the substance of all Socialism. Take, indeed, a civilized country. The forests which once covered it have been cleared, the marshes drained, the climate improved. It has been made habitable. The soil, which bore formerly only a coarse vegetation, is covered to-day with rich harvests. The rock-walls in the valleys are laid out in terraces and covered with vines bearing golden fruit. The wild plants, which yielded nought but acrid berries, or uneatable roots, have been transformed by generations of culture into succulent vegetables, or trees covered with delicious fruits. Thousands of highways and railroads furrow the earth, and pierce the mountains. The shriek of the engine is heard in the wild gorges of the Alps, the Caucasus, and the Himalayas. The rivers have been made navigable; the coasts, carefully surveyed, are easy of access; artificial harbours, laboriously dug out and protected against the fury of the sea, afford shelter to the ships. Deep shafts have been sunk in the rocks; labyrinths of underground galleries have been dug out where coal may be raised or minerals extracted. At the crossings of the highways great cities have sprung up, and within their borders all the treasures of industry, science, and art have been accumulated. Whole generations, that lived and died in misery, oppressed and ill-treated by their masters, and worn out by toil, have handed on this immense inheritance to our century. For thousands of years millions of men have laboured to clear the forests, to drain the marshes, and to open up highways by land and water. Every rood of soil we cultivate in Europe has been watered by the sweat of several races of men. Every acre has its story of enforced labour, of intolerable toil, of the people’s sufferings. Every mile of railway, every yard of tunnel, has received its share of human blood. The shafts of the mine still bear on their rocky walls the marks made by the pick of the workman who toiled to excavate them. The space between each prop in the underground galleries might be marked as a miner’s grave; and who can tell what each of these graves has cost, in tears, in privations, in unspeakable wretchedness to the family who depended on the scanty wage of the worker cut off in his prime by fire-damp, rock-fall, or flood? The cities, bound together by railroads and waterways, are organisms which have lived through centuries. Dig beneath them and you find, one above another, the foundations of streets, of houses, of theatres, of public buildings. Search into their history and you will see how the civilization of the town, its industry, its special characteristics, have slowly grown and ripened through the co-operation of generations of its inhabitants before it could become what it is to-day. And even to-day; the value of each dwelling, factory, and warehouse, which has been created by the accumulated labour of the millions of workers, now dead and buried, is only maintained by the very presence and labour of legions of the men who now inhabit that special corner of the globe. Each of the atoms composing what we call the Wealth of Nations owes its value to the fact that it is a part of the great whole. What would a London dockyard or a great Paris warehouse be if they were not situated in these great centres of international commerce? What would become of our mines, our factories, our workshops, and our railways, without the immense quantities of merchandise transported every day by sea and land? Millions of human beings have laboured to create this civilization on which we pride ourselves to-day. Other millions, scattered through the globe, labour to maintain it. Without them nothing would be left in fifty years but ruins. There is not even a thought, or an invention, which is not common property, born of the past and the present. Thousands of inventors, known and unknown, who have died in poverty, have co-operated in the invention of each of these machines which embody the genius of man. Thousands of writers, of poets, of scholars, have laboured to increase knowledge, to dissipate error, and to create that atmosphere of scientific thought, without which the marvels of our century could never have appeared. And these thousands of philosophers, of poets, of scholars, of inventors, have themselves been supported by the labour of past centuries. They have been upheld and nourished through life, both physically and mentally, by legions of workers and craftsmen of all sorts. They have drawn their motive force from the environment. The genius of a Séguin, a Mayer, a Grove, has certainly done more to launch industry in new directions than all the capitalists in the world. But men of genius are themselves the children of industry as well as of science. Not until thousands of steam-engines had been working for years before all eyes, constantly transforming heat into dynamic force, and this force into sound, light, and electricity, could the insight of genius proclaim the mechanical origin and the unity of the physical forces. And if we, children of the nineteenth century, have at last grasped this idea, if we know now how to apply it, it is again because daily experience has prepared the way. The thinkers of the eighteenth century saw and declared it, but the idea remained undeveloped, because the eighteenth century had not grown up like ours, side by side with the steam-engine. Imagine the decades that might have passed while we remained in ignorance of this law, which has revolutionized modern industry, had Watt not found at Soho skilled workmen to embody his ideas in metal, bringing all the parts of his engine to perfection, so that steam, pent in a complete mechanism, and rendered more docile than a horse, more manageable than water, became at last the very soul of modern industry. Every machine has had the same history — a long record of sleepless nights and of poverty, of disillusions and of joys, of partial improvements discovered by several generations of nameless workers, who have added to the original invention these little nothings, without which the most fertile idea would remain fruitless. More than that: every new invention is a synthesis, the resultant of innumerable inventions which have preceded it in the vast field of mechanics and industry. Science and industry, knowledge and application, discovery and practical realization leading to new discoveries, cunning of brain and of hand, toil of mind and muscle — all work together. Each discovery, each advance, each increase in the sum of human riches, owes its being to the physical and mental travail of the past and the present. By what right then can any one whatever appropriate the least morsel of this immense whole and say — This is mine, not yours?
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coyo7e posted:Uhh dude, the fire is so big it jumped the Columbia River INTO Washington, yesterday. Yeah. Something like ten or fifteen acres. I mean maybe it'll blow up but for now it's 99.9% on the Oregon side.
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gently caress Whitey posted:The human race has travelled far since, those bygone ages when men used to fashion their rude implements of flint, and lived on the precarious spoils of the chase, leaving to their children for their only heritage a shelter beneath the rocks, some poor utensils — and Nature, vast, ununderstood, and terrific, with whom they had to fight for their wretched existence. Yes but have you considered that the Big Bang Theory is in its 11th season?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:When is the last time you did that? I haven't seen a cool technology breakthroughs thread since like 2009 D&D used to be mostly people posting RSS feed style "a thing happened" news stories and so it felt like it made sense to post just random news stories about some new technology "a thing happened". Now it's way more a politics rather than news forum so "they made a 14 atom transistor" wouldn't be a thing to post in D&D like it used to be. Like even a thread that was "just post science news" stuff wouldn't fit in super well with current D&D posting trends. So instead I'll post my international lunchs  "3 Kofta sticks and 3 pieces shish tawook and a grilled chicken breast, served with rice plate, French fries, green salad, sesame paste salad and bread" 55LE ($3.03).
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Dumb Lowtax posted:When is the last time you did that? I haven't seen a cool technology breakthroughs thread since like 2009 Please don't encourage him to jack off about science, he's dumb as a box of rocks and gets mad when people don't show sufficient love to Science
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I want this in audiobook form w/ Helen Mirren. e- Or David Atterborough!
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I propose that ooccs new gimmick be not posting enthusiastically about literally anything because he's dumb as gently caress and has not improved as a poster in the ten years since I started posting
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Ok I'm going to say something controversial: Verrit is dumb as gently caress but it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to solve one of the most pressing problems in society: the complete politicization of fact.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Please don't encourage him to jack off about science, he's dumb as a box of rocks and gets mad when people don't show sufficient love to Science How do you know if he evidently hasn't done it in a decade? I think I asked for a breakthroughs subforum once in QCS, didn't happen. There's web articles out there dedicated to individual discoveries but no combined discussion, nowhere to go for looking ahead any farther than that.
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Trabisnikof posted:Ok I'm going to say something controversial: Verrit is dumb as gently caress but it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to solve one of the most pressing problems in society the complete politicization of fact. Yeah this website for pro Hillary meme like objects endorsed by Hillary is an attempt to counter politicization of fact
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/ByRosenberg/status/905924051373355009 Well, we have capital punishment. I mean, while it's here, we may as well use it.
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Trabisnikof posted:Ok I'm going to say something controversial: Verrit is dumb as gently caress but it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to solve one of the most pressing problems in society: the complete politicization of fact. I'm sorry but I just can't take anything you say seriously unless you can give me a authentication code for your opinions. You'll also have to fill out form 3b-1 and submit it to the proper authorities before waiting for three months so that your authentication code can be authentified.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:How do you know if he evidently hasn't done it in a decade? Because hes posted more recently than that and his posts now are just as bad as they were back then? What kind of question is this
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A lovely Reporter posted:Added to the OP. Thank you! The Irma doc is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Um3j5mHkS7bR72Zc625qtQ0P1QRNCXPGtIMx7HWKNbI/ The Harvey doc is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CJJj_MbjasVI3cxCWoRvg9DFJJTlb8LjI9n-sIpXglg Definitely the traffic/gas links are the ones I've been giving out the most so those are good to link!
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Trabisnikof posted:Ok I'm going to say something controversial: Verrit is dumb as gently caress but it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to solve one of the most pressing problems in society: the complete politicization of fact. You don't get points for trying to solve a big problem if your idea is dumb as gently caress. Like my idea to switch to sheep only for meat because the albedo of their wool will reflect sunlight away from the Earth and counteract global warming, that is an attempt to solve the most pressing matter in human history, but it's dumb as gently caress.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yeah this website for pro Hillary meme like objects endorsed by Hillary is an attempt to counter politicization of fact It isn't a counter it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to create a space for tribal facts in a world where facts are all politicized. Verritt isn't trying to undo it is a dumb attempt to win the fact wars.
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KickerOfMice posted:I want this in audiobook form w/ Helen Mirren. It has come about, however, in the course of the ages traversed by the human race, that all that enables man to produce, and to increase his power of production, has been seized by the few. Sometime, perhaps, we will relate how this came to pass. For the present let it suffice to state the fact and analyse its consequences. To-day the soil, which actually owes its value to the needs of an ever-increasing population, belongs to a minority who prevent the people from cultivating it — or do not allow them to cultivate it according to modern methods. The mines, though they represent the labour of several generations, and derive their sole value from the requirements of the industry of a nation and the clensity of the population — the mines also belong to the few; and these few restrict the output of coal, or prevent it entirely, if they find more profitable investments for their capital. Machinery, too, has become the exclusive property of the few, and even when a machine incontestably represents the improvements added to the original rough invention by three or four generations of workers, it none the less belongs to a few owners. And if the descendants of the very inventor who constructed the first machine for lace-making, a century ago, were to present themselves to-day in a lace factory at Bâle or Nottingham, and demand their rights, they would be told: “Hands off! this machine is not yours,” and they would be shot down if they attempted to take possession of it. The railways, which would be useless as so much old iron without the teeming population of Europe, its industry, its commerce, and its marts, belong to a few shareholders, ignorant perhaps of the whereabouts of the lines of rails which yield them revenues greater than those of medieval kings. And if the children of those who perished by thousands while excavating the railway cuttings and tunnels were to assemble one day, crowding in their rags and hunger, to demand bread from the shareholders, they would be met with bayonets and grape-shot, to disperse them and safeguard “vested interests.” In virtue of this monstrous system, the son of the worker, on entering life, finds no field which he may till, no machine which he may tend, no mine in which he may dig, without accepting to leave a great part of what he will produce to a master. He must sell his labour for a scant and uncertain wage. His father and his grandfather have toiled to drain this field, to build this mill, to perfect this machine. They gave to the work the full measure of their strength, and what more could they give? But their heir comes into the world poorer than the lowest savage. If he obtains leave to till the fields, it is on condition of surrendering a quarter of the produce to his master, and another quarter to the government and the middlemen. And this tax, levied upon him by the State, the capitalist, the lord of the manor, and the middleman, is always increasing; it rarely leaves him the power to improve his system of culture. If he turns to industry, he is allowed to work — though not always even that — only on condition that he yield a half or two-thirds of the product to him whom the land recognizes as the owner of the machine. We cry shame on the feudal baron who forbade the peasant to turn a clod of earth unless he surrendered to his lord a fourth of his crop. We call those the barbarous times. But if the forms have changed, the relations have remained the same, and the worker is forced, under the name of free contract, to accept feudal obligations. For, turn where he will, he can find no better conditions. Everything has become private property, and he must accept, or die of hunger. The result of this state of things is that all our production tends in a wrong direction. Enterprise takes no thought for the needs of the community. Its only aim is to increase the gains of the speculator. Hence the constant fluctuations of trade, the periodical industrial crises, each of which throws scores of thousands of workers on the streets. The working people cannot purchase with their wages the wealth which they have produced, and industry seeks foreign markets among the monied classes of other nations. In the East, in Africa, everywhere, in Egypt, Tonkin or the Congo, the European is thus bound to promote the growth of serfdom. And so he does. But soon he finds everywhere similar competitors. All the nations evolve on the same lines, and wars, perpetual wars, break out for the right of precedence in the market. Wars for the possession of the East, wars for the empire of the sea, wars to impose duties on imports and to dictate conditions to neighbouring states; wars against those “blacks” who revolt! The roar of the cannon never ceases in the world, whole races are massacred, the states of Europe spend a third of their budgets in armaments; and we know how heavily these taxes fall on the workers. Education still remains the privilege of a small minority, for it is idle to talk of education when the workman’s child is forced, at the age of thirteen, to go down into the mine or to help his father on the farm. It is idle to talk of studies to the worker, who comes home in the evening crushed by excessive toil with its brutalizing atmosphere. Society is thus bound to remain divided into two hostile camps, and in such conditions freedom is a vain word. The Radical begins by demanding a greater extension of political rights, but he soon sees that the breath of liberty leads to the uplifting of the proletariat, and then he turns round, changes his opinions, and reverts to repressive legislation and government by the sword. A vast array of courts, judges, executioners, policemen, and gaolers is needed to uphold these privileges; and this array gives rise in its turn to a whole system of espionage, of false witness, of spies, of threats and corruption. The system under which we live checks in its turn the growth of the social sentiment. We all know that without uprightness, without self-respect, without sympathy and mutual aid, human kind must perish, as perish the few races of animals living by rapine, or the slave-keeping ants. But such ideas are not to the taste of the ruling classes, and they have elaborated a whole system of pseudo-science to teach the contrary. Fine sermons have been preached on the text that those who have should share with those who have not, but he who would act out this principle is speedily informed that these beautiful sentiments are all very well in poetry, but not in practice. “To lie is to degrade and besmirch oneself,” we say, and yet all civilized life becomes one huge lie. We accustom ourselves and our children to hypocrisy, to the practice of a double-faced morality. And since the brain is ill at ease among lies, we cheat ourselves with sophistry. Hypocrisy and sophistry become the second nature of the civilized man. But a society cannot live thus; it must return to truth or cease to exist. Thus the consequences which spring from the original act of monopoly spread through the whole of social life. Under pain of death, human societies are forced to return to first principles: the means of production being the collective work of humanity, the product should be the collective property of the race. Individual appropriation is neither just nor serviceable. All belongs to all. All things are for all men, since all men have need of them, since all men have worked in the measure of their strength to produce them, and since it is not possible to evaluate every one’s part in the production of the world’s wealth. All things are for all. Here is an immense stock of tools and implements; here are all those iron slaves which we call machines, which saw and plane, spin and weave for us, unmaking and remaking, working up raw matter to produce the marvels of our time. But nobody has the right to seize a single one of these machines and say, “This is mine; if you want to use it you must pay me a tax on each of your products,” any more than the feudal lord of medieval times had the right to say to the peasant, “This hill, this meadow belong to me, and you must pay me a tax on every sheaf of corn you reap, on every rick you build.” All is for all! If the man and the woman bear their fair share of work, they have a right to their fair share of all that is produced by all, and that share is enough to secure them well-being. No more of such vague formulas as “The Right to work,” or “To each the whole result of his labour.” What we proclaim is THE RIGHT TO WELL-BEING: WELL-BEING FOR ALL! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Please don't encourage him to jack off about science, he's dumb as a box of rocks and gets mad when people don't show sufficient love to Science Science is good and cool and the world would be better if more dumb people like me liked science instead of the default being that dumb people hate science.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I propose that ooccs new gimmick be not posting enthusiastically about literally anything because he's dumb as gently caress and has not improved as a poster in the ten years since I started posting politifact rates this question: autistic i quotes the wrong post but whatever
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Trabisnikof posted:It isn't a counter it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to create a space for tribal facts in a world where facts are all politicized. Verritt isn't trying to undo it is a dumb attempt to win the fact wars. So it's not trying to solve it then, just perpetuate it
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Randbrick posted:Your first mistake is assuming the empyrean glory of verritt would suffer some sweating meat creature to "sign up" for it, like some filthy bio organism shaking it's feces flecked mate attraction appendages in some humid flesh space Hey if Big Bird can do it, so can I!
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evilweasel posted:yes, many, overturning every sane lower court decision on this poo poo I am curious if someone sued one of the arbitration companies yet...
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Trabisnikof posted:Ok I'm going to say something controversial: Verrit is dumb as gently caress but it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to solve one of the most pressing problems in society: the complete politicization of fact. It emphatically is not that, at all Trabisnikof posted:It isn't a counter it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to create a space for tribal facts in a world where facts are all politicized. Verritt isn't trying to undo it is a dumb attempt to win the fact wars. it's this which is totally different from what you said the first time and also bad sit on my Facebook fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Trabisnikof posted:It isn't a counter it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to create a space for tribal facts in a world where facts are all politicized. Verritt isn't trying to undo it is a dumb attempt to win the fact wars. Not a technology problem, an HR problem. HR always passing the buck.
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Trabisnikof posted:Ok I'm going to say something controversial: Verrit is dumb as gently caress but it is a dumb as gently caress attempt to solve one of the most pressing problems in society: the complete politicization of fact. Nah. It doesn't address the politization if fact because it approaches fact as an agent of not only a specific political agenda but of a specific political person. I think the reality is there are multiple existing avenues to jusge the fact value of claims and quotes and stories, but the problem is almost no one actually cares.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Science is good and cool and the world would be better if more dumb people like me liked science instead of the default being that dumb people hate science. It would actually be pretty much the same because you contrubute nothing of value with your frothing masturbation over science as a concept Also gj deleting "John Deere bought an ai company" like that proves your point and isn't classist as gently caress you shithead
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KickerOfMice posted:I want this in audiobook form w/ Helen Mirren. This isn't Helen Mirren, but it's pretty listenable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7XAXtVjkw and now whitey can stop copy pasting tl;drs that will be quoted in full for several pages. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You don't get points for trying to solve a big problem if your idea is dumb as gently caress. Like my idea to switch to sheep only for meat because the albedo of their wool will reflect sunlight away from the Earth and counteract global warming, that is an attempt to solve the most pressing matter in human history, but it's dumb as gently caress. Well gently caress, now what am I going to do with all these flocks of sheep I just bought
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:D&D used to be mostly people posting RSS feed style "a thing happened" news stories and so it felt like it made sense to post just random news stories about some new technology "a thing happened". Now it's way more a politics rather than news forum so "they made a 14 atom transistor" wouldn't be a thing to post in D&D like it used to be. Like even a thread that was "just post science news" stuff wouldn't fit in super well with current D&D posting trends. It's sort of a shame there isn't a place for that sort of thing here, anymore, though. Like it would have set perfectly well in D&D or GBS at some point, but D&D being "the place where you choose the hill you want to die on" doesn't leave a lot of room for the "discussion" part of it anymore, and GBS is an enormous, embarrassing garbage fire of bigotry and low effort, low-hanging fruit jokes that doesn't engender discussion at all. I guess I have to admit that I probably wouldn't even see it now that I mostly navigate the forums through my control panel. Oh well.
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I tracked down this image to make sure it was real: it's from the Seattle Times but it was submitted to a Photoshop thread on Reddit because it's so unbelievable. Climate change in America. jpeg
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VitalSigns posted:Well gently caress, now what am I going to do with all these flocks of sheep I just bought Let me tell you about my plan to desalinate the ocean with consumer grade tropical fish tanks.
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Today in LOL GOP news: https://twitter.com/thegarance/status/905985767884951552
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VitalSigns posted:Well gently caress, now what am I going to do with all these flocks of sheep I just bought Hold on how many do you have? Let's see. 1... 2... 3... 4... 5... ... ... 6... 7... 7... Seven by seven, and you have what looks like four by five units of those, so twenty times 49, you have 980 sheep. That's a lot of sheep!
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