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bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

I agree. Hence why I posted it

# ? Mar 24, 2016 00:36

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# ? May 31, 2024 02:09

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Helsing posted:

It's a nice thought if you ignore all his domestic incidents and drunk driving antics.

To me the moment that made me most sympathetic for Ford was that impromptu press conference that his mom and sister gave (the same sister who was later taped smoking crack with him). They basically said, and I'm barely paraphrasing here, that "Rob is fine, he just needs to lose some weight." Probably one of the most irresponsible displays of parenting / being a supportive sibling that I have ever witnessed in the public realm. Ford was visibly killing himself in front of the entire city and his family was enabling him.

Between that and having Doug for a big brother, it's much easier to understand how Ford ended up the way that he did.

I just tend to agree with the notion that if Rob Ford had stayed out of politics, and instead lived a life of football practice and hot dogs, he might have been a much happier, healthier person - while sparing everyone a lot of grief. He clearly had a very toxic family life and I think it's good to reflect on the role that can play in shaping a person. People don't emerge from the womb with evil in their hearts. Most people don't wake up thinking "today I'm going to attack my spouse."

# ? Mar 24, 2016 00:54

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR

Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

ZShakespeare posted:

The worst thing to happen to unions was getting legitimized and regulated. It removed all their teeth by controlling what they are allowed to do. See: every high profile strike in the last 5 years where they just got legislated back to work.

Yeah, but the government no longer has the power to say "we're imposing whatever contract we want, you're going back to work, and you have no recourse," so...

# ? Mar 24, 2016 01:28

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

ZShakespeare posted:

The worst thing to happen to unions was getting legitimized and regulated. It removed all their teeth by controlling what they are allowed to do. See: every high profile strike in the last 5 years where they just got legislated back to work. No meaningful change will occur from within the legal framework because it is designed very specifically to prevent that.

The meaningful change would have to be unions willing to break the law on behalf of their members, just like the old days. Of course, in that case, they would not be as profitable for the ringleaders. They would have to go underground and operate like mobsters. Doesn't figure into a successful political career as well.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 01:47

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I was away from the city for most of the Ford years, did he really read the paper while driving?

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:00

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

Frosted Flake posted:

I was away from the city for most of the Ford years, did he really read the paper while driving?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/busy-rob-ford-admits-to-reading-while-driving-1.1278580

"he's a good mayor because he's just as awful as I am :downs:

" -average canadian

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# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:02

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

At what point is this country beyond saving

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:08

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

quote:

the mayor denied accusations that he gave the middle finger to Ottilie Mason and her six-year-old daughter

Now we'll never know if he actually flipped off that little girl or not.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:24

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Helsing posted:

In particular, many of today's most powerful unions (or at least their elected leaders) have every incentive to accommodate themselves to the system. The Ontario Liberals have been really good at picking the strongest unions, giving them very narrowly targeted concessions, and then shutting out the rest of the labour movement. I could make a larger effort post later on how the double whammy of Bob Rae and Mike Harris really destroyed any solidarity in the labour movement if anyone is interested in hearing more about this.

I don't know why you're accusing me of dismissing militant tactics, either in the past or the present. If anything I'd like to see more militancy.

And I think your own perspective ignores the extent to which unions restrain militancy. The representatives of organized labour are typically among the most conservative and cautious voices at any anti-globalization demo, they're often the most conservative voices in social democratic parties, and public sector and construction unions are some of the most important contributors to the ongoing electoral fortunes of the Ontario Liberal Party, which isn't exactly a friend to labour or the working class.

Unions are a highly useful tool but their limitations need to be recognized alongside their strengths. Have you ever been involved in a strike that wasn't actually supported by your unions central bureaucracy? Have you ever been at an NDP convention and watched the union guys acting as informal whips for the party bureaucracy? Seeing that kind of poo poo didn't make me anti-union, but it did give me a deeper appreciation of why many people, including many on the left, are so skeptical about organized labour. And they have good reason to be much of the time.

I used to think this way, and I suppose I'd say I still do feel this way to a large degree, but the more you read the history of the last 40 years the more you realize that it isn't this simple. People didn't just give up on striking or labour militancy because they forgot how effective these things are. There were a series of brutal struggles between labour and capital throughout North America and the result was an almost total defeat for labour.

My post history in every CanPol thread going back years is riddled with invocations of the power of the labour movement and the necessity of integrating labour into any future leftist coalition or movement. But there has to be some kind of recognition of what went wrong in the past, and what continues to go wrong in the present. Just as the left cannot afford to ignore organized labour, it also can't afford to ignore the very real flaws in Canadian labour unions.

You keep talking about limitations, defeat and accommodations but you're not saying why this is unique to organized labour. Pointing out that a worker's leadership can be coopted is no different than pointing out a non-union workforce is basically powerless.. so what? It's still the best tool people have in their daily life. It's the only option for advocating for yourself if you are working a vulnerable, poorly paid job. What other option is there? Voting? Think that's going to change income inequality and improve people's working conditions? I've participated in militant shop floor action that has gotten serious results for myself and others. Just because it wasn't "sanctioned" by the union doesn't mean it wasn't organized job action. Direct action on the floor by workers is effective and it's why unions exist in the first place. They're a natural progression from that first action. Problem is you put your job on the line every time you do that. Do you think the average person is desperate enough to do that?

Things being imperfect doesn't mean they're not working. The destruction of unions is complicated and something that can't be argued in a single post. But I'm sure we can agree it isn't because of an inherent flaw in industrial organizing and action. There are global forces and structural shifts in the nature of labour that have allowed multinational conglomerates to destroy workers ability to withdraw their labour.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:30

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Would sympathy strikes or a general strike help university unions or is that just not going to happen in today's climate?

# ? Mar 24, 2016 02:54

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

RBC posted:

You keep talking about limitations, defeat and accommodations but you're not saying why this is unique to organized labour. Pointing out that a worker's leadership can be coopted is no different than pointing out a non-union workforce is basically powerless.. so what? It's still the best tool people have in their daily life. It's the only option for advocating for yourself if you are working a vulnerable, poorly paid job. What other option is there? Voting? Think that's going to change income inequality and improve people's working conditions? I've participated in militant shop floor action that has gotten serious results for myself and others. Just because it wasn't "sanctioned" by the union doesn't mean it wasn't organized job action. Direct action on the floor by workers is effective and it's why unions exist in the first place. They're a natural progression from that first action. Problem is you put your job on the line every time you do that. Do you think the average person is desperate enough to do that?

Nothing I've said is unique to organized labour, in fact my exact words were that "without some kind of socialist or social democratic orientation, labour unions are just another interest group fighting for their piece of pie".

Unions have a big role to play in any realistic left wing strategy and obviously in many individual workplaces they are crucial but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be candid about the flaws many unions have, and it doesn't mean unions or their members are beyond reproach.

quote:

Things being imperfect doesn't mean they're not working. The destruction of unions is complicated and something that can't be argued in a single post. But I'm sure we can agree it isn't because of an inherent flaw in industrial organizing and action. There are global forces and structural shifts in the nature of labour that have allowed multinational conglomerates to destroy workers ability to withdraw their labour.

I think that ZShakespeare has a point when he says that the legitimization and regulation of labour unions was also, in many ways, contributed to their eventual downfall. Legalization and regulation left the labour movement dependent on the state rather than it's own membership. In the short term that provided some protection and stability, but in the long term it created complacency and left labour vulnerable to government legislation.

Frosted Flake posted:

Would sympathy strikes or a general strike help university unions or is that just not going to happen in today's climate?

In many cases it would be illegal to strike because of grievances at another workplace, especially if you're in-between the agreed upon contract negotiation periods. The legal regulation of unions is largely set up to let employers have stable and predictable planning regarding the possibility of job actions.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 03:34

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Ikantski posted:

Now we'll never know if he actually flipped off that little girl or not.

We know.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 03:55

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

CLAM DOWN posted:

I'm guessing Not Guilty too. Even though that piece of poo poo is guilty as gently caress, the crown completely botched their case.

It probably will be Not Guilty because although he's unquestionably a serial creep the particular cases he's being charged on have not been prosecuted well.
I'm curious to see, assuming he gets his symbolic 'not guilty', if he manages to actually get another media job somewhere and attempt a comeback. It won't be at the CBC obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a shot at hosting something more commercial in the US market and it'll be interesting to see if it works.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 04:14

Brandon Proust: Jun 22, 2006; "Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

Hal_2005 posted:

So, how many of you continue to identify as Liberal voters now that every single one of Justins promises made in October 2015 is now broken ?

I didn't vote Liberal, but we got the census back and Trudeau has otherwise been has exactly terrible as I expected, so I'm not really disappointed with the election results. a++, would open a good bottle of wine to celebrate harper being kicked out again

# ? Mar 24, 2016 04:17

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Brandon Proust posted:

I didn't vote Liberal, but we got the census back and Trudeau has otherwise been has exactly terrible as I expected, so I'm not really disappointed with the election results. a++, would open a good bottle of wine to celebrate harper being kicked out again

No no the Liberals outflanked the NDP from the left this time. Didn't you hear the media narrative?

# ? Mar 24, 2016 04:20

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

No no the Liberals outflanked the NDP from the left this time. Didn't you hear the media narrative?

I love this narrative. It really has no truth to it since the Liberals hardly budged from their "We will think about possibly maybe setting up a committee that would consider thinking about issues on the left" and was all about Mulcair being a doofus and shooting himself in the foot, but that doesnt make a good front page tag for Macleans or CBC show.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 04:25

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

flakeloaf posted:

The student union at Carleton voted to stop supporting cystic fibrosis charities because that's a disease of white men.

lol isn't the CF fundraiser thing what all of Carleton frosh week is based around? At least that's what I remember.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 04:27

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Mar 24, 2016 05:56

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

the bad decision only lasted a week.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/carleton+backtracks+shinerama+decision/1018761/story.html

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Mar 24, 2016 06:27

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

The Crown seems to have really dropped the ball, so Not Guilty wouldn't shock me. Having said that, with the witnesses they had I don't know how they could have done better.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 12:09

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Yes, though you wouldn't know it these days because it's mostly about being obnoxious on street corners and mugging people in exchange for stickers.

PWC released a report today suggesting that SSC ought to outsource 1700 jobs. I can't help but think that this was Harper's plan all along: Take over a big thing, do it so badly that the organization hums with discontent, then get a corporate crony to step up and save us from those inefficient, fat sucking public servants.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Mar 24, 2016 12:50

terrorist ambulance: Nov 5, 2009

Job of the Crown is to present relevant evidence to the court, not to ensure he's convicted at all costs. They didn't "drop the ball" and thinking that they did misapprehends the purpose of the prosecution service.

Also it's difficult to call a case when you weren't there for the evidence, it usually sounds a lot different in the room than it does when told afterwards. Not guilty is not a bad guess because that's how like 50% of sex assault trials end anyways but it's not for certain

# ? Mar 24, 2016 13:11

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

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# ? Mar 24, 2016 13:32

brucio: Nov 22, 2004

Outsourcing that many SSC jobs would be such a disaster, way worse than it is now

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:08

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Dreylad posted:

Mayor Tory aims to lure U.S. tech talent with mention of �divisive� politics (Toronto Star)

This article is hilariously stupid. Yeah, I'm sure all of the SF software engineers pulling in $150,000+ are just dying to move to Toronto.

quote:

The mayor said that on his April 4 to 6 trip to San Francisco and Silicon Valley he will make the case for U.S. companies and venture capital to invest in the Toronto area, especially given the low Canadian dollar.
Tory also noted an estimated 300,000 expat Canadians work in Silicon Valley and that �more than 50 per cent of U.S. innovation is initiated by immigrants to that country and first-generation Americans.�
�That is a huge opportunity for us to attract knowledge workers to Canada,� Tory notes.
�We have all been watching the divisive politics happening to our south and there is growing evidence that it is causing many U.S. residents to look seriously at Canada as an option.
�You may think I�m joking but I�m not. Just last week, Waterloo-based company Sortable put out a recruitment ad featuring Donald Trump�s face and asking the question �Is it time to move back to Canada?��
�While we�re in the U.S., we�ll be asking that same question. And we will be celebrate the diversity of our ecosystem and the fact that we have CEOs and founders of all backgrounds, both male and female.�

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:10

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Trees and Squids posted:

This article is hilariously stupid. Yeah, I'm sure all of the SF software engineers pulling in $150,000+ are just dying to move to Toronto.

$150 is an entry salary in SV, I doubt expats would point to politics as the reasoning to leave their golden goose and come back home.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:13

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

terrorist ambulance posted:

Job of the Crown is to present relevant evidence to the court, not to ensure he's convicted at all costs. They didn't "drop the ball" and thinking that they did misapprehends the purpose of the prosecution service.

Also it's difficult to call a case when you weren't there for the evidence, it usually sounds a lot different in the room than it does when told afterwards. Not guilty is not a bad guess because that's how like 50% of sex assault trials end anyways but it's not for certain

Yeah there's really no way of knowing what's going to happen even if you were in the room. I've seen (well, read) judges convict on the flimsiest of evidence and acquit defendants in cases that looked like slam dunks.

One think I'm sure of, if Ghomeshi is found guilty he'll appeal. :toxx:

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:13

Count Roland: Oct 6, 2013

BattleMaster posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/busy-rob-ford-admits-to-reading-while-driving-1.1278580

"he's a good mayor because he's just as awful as I am " -average canadian

From the article:

quote:

And last July, the mayor denied accusations that he gave the middle finger to Ottilie Mason and her six-year-old daughter after the mother accosted him for talking on his cellphone while driving.

Rob Ford's death is sad because we don't get comedy gems like this any more.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:14

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

One think I'm sure of, if Ghomeshi is found guilty he'll appeal.

That's like saying if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow you'll toxx yourself.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:15

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Yeah there's really no way of knowing what's going to happen even if you were in the room. I've seen (well, read) judges convict on the flimsiest of evidence and acquit defendants in cases that looked like slam dunks.

One think I'm sure of, if Ghomeshi is found guilty he'll appeal.

El Scotch posted:

That's like saying if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow you'll toxx yourself.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:18

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Well alright then brainiacs, if he's found not guilty do you think the crown appeals? I want to see some toxxes and no you don't get to read the judgment first...

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:23

heehee: Sep 5, 2012; haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win

I think a decision will be made :toxx:

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:28

terrorist ambulance: Nov 5, 2009

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

One think I'm sure of, if Ghomeshi is found guilty he'll appeal.

Yeah but appealing credibility assessments / findings of fact. If it comes to that, good luck Ghomer

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:28

terrorist ambulance: Nov 5, 2009

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Well alright then brainiacs, if he's found not guilty do you think the crown appeals? I want to see some toxxes and no you don't get to read the judgment first...

Crown right to appeal is limited in criminal cases, so it really depends on how the judgment comes out

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:30

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Perhaps a curve ball, NOT GUILTY of Sexual Assault, but GUILTY of Choking to Overcome Resistance.

I think Ghomeshi will blink within 120 seconds following the verdict :toxx:

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:32

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

brucio posted:

Outsourcing that many SSC jobs would be such a disaster, way worse than it is now

Is that even possible?

Shared services is very very very bad. I'm sure if those jobs were outsourced it would continue to be very very very bad.

My understanding was that its entire raison d'être was to facilitate outsourcing of government services anyway.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:32

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

You guys are cowards, let's see some commitment.

Take my money Lowtax. :toxx:

guilty verdict on sexual assault charges.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:33

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

We're mocking PK not toxxing ourselves on the Q kings sexual encounters gone awry.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:36

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Well alright then brainiacs, if he's found not guilty do you think the crown appeals? I want to see some toxxes and no you don't get to read the judgment first...

I feel lucky to live in a society where the quality of evidence in the ghomeshi trial results in a not guilty. :toxx:

: Ghomeshi will be moving out of his mom's house shortly.

# ? Mar 24, 2016 14:38

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Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

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