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HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice
I'm reading through Side Jobs while waiting for the new book to come out. I really liked Molly's action sequences: she can't do the brute force approach that Dresden does, but instead she uses veils, misdirection, and emotional manipulation to succeed, and it's a really nice change of pace from "and then I blew everything up." I would like to see more of that.

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Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib
There's a new October Date? Dead chuffed. I really like that series, it's the antithesis to Dresden.
I like InCryptid too, but that ones a bit eyeroll worthy and the three main characters all sound exactly alike (even the bloke)

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

hollering okay so

Anita Blake: books 1-5 are named after clubs or bars or restaurants that the characters visit in the book

Anita Blake 6: titled "The Killing Dance" I haven't seen any bars named that so far so I was curious

APPARENTLY it's not a bar, it's a fancy term that were-critters use for sex. The author literally titled this book "Sex", or "The loving"

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

StrixNebulosa posted:

The author literally titled this book "Sex", or "The gently caressening"
:colbert:

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib
Yeah, Anita Blake goes downhill (or much better, depending on your desire for teh sexxors) from there.

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good

HisMajestyBOB posted:

I really liked Molly's action sequences: she can't do the brute force approach that Dresden does, but instead she uses veils, misdirection, and emotional manipulation to succeed, and it's a really nice change of pace from "and then I blew everything up." I would like to see more of that.

Because I just finished Death Masks, chiming in to remind you that it was 14 year old Molly who suggested Dresden have bondage sex with his vampire girlfriend. Hence creating the baby and driving the entire plot of Changes.

I actually finished my re-read of October Daye a month or two back, hyped for the new book.

RockyB fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jul 8, 2020

StonecutterJoe
Mar 29, 2016

Sloth Life posted:

Yeah, Anita Blake goes downhill (or much better, depending on your desire for teh sexxors) from there.

IIRC, Narcissus in Chains is where it goes full porn. There was a real stark dividing line with that series.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



StonecutterJoe posted:

IIRC, Narcissus in Chains is where it goes full porn. There was a real stark dividing line with that series.

I don't know. For me Obsidian Butterfly, specifically the rape of a minor toward the end, is when I had enough.

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib
Just imho and all but it goes downhill when she bonks the vamp. NIC is when it goes off the bleedin rails...

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

Sloth Life posted:

There's a new October Date? Dead chuffed. I really like that series, it's the antithesis to Dresden.
I like InCryptid too, but that ones a bit eyeroll worthy and the three main characters all sound exactly alike (even the bloke)

A Killing Frost releases September 1st, you can even preorder it!

I like it for that reason too, especially since there are multiple non- joke LGBT relationships and characters (I like the way Walter was handled, especially in the context of Faerie culture.) Although it is pretty white.

Akata Witch is next up on my list.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

DreamingofRoses posted:

Akata Witch is next up on my list.

I just finished this, and I liked it a lot. It's very much a novel for young adults, and written in a very simple style, but there's a lot of subtlety (and more than a few bites) beneath the surface.

It's also kind of a... tour novel for lack of a better term. There's an overall plot but it's there to give the barest bit of structure to the actual story in which Sunny (the protagonist) learns about magic and the secret society that's grown up around it. None of that is a complaint at all.

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!
You might want to go straight to Akata Warrior because it gets a lot better.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

A lot better than a really good book? I'm in!

(Actually it's Who Fears Death by the same author I'm probably going to read next).

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!

docbeard posted:

A lot better than a really good book? I'm in!

(Actually it's Who Fears Death by the same author I'm probably going to read next).

Everything they have done is good.

Same for everything N.K. Jemesin has done, too.

I'm backtracking through stuff by Martha Wells after reading the Murderbot books.

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


What the gently caress why is peace talks 15 bucks for a Kindle edition

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Ramadu posted:

What the gently caress why is peace talks 15 bucks for a Kindle edition

That's what books cost.

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

biracial bear for uncut posted:

Everything they have done is good.

Same for everything N.K. Jemesin has done, too.

I'm backtracking through stuff by Martha Wells after reading the Murderbot books.

N. K. Jemisin is amazing and very often heartbreaking and I read/finished her Shattered Earth trilogy while my mom was in the hospital/shortly after she died and the Afterword (IIRC) of the last book left me in tears. I think The City We Became is her latest, right?

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

DreamingofRoses posted:

N. K. Jemisin is amazing and very often heartbreaking and I read/finished her Shattered Earth trilogy while my mom was in the hospital/shortly after she died and the Afterword (IIRC) of the last book left me in tears. I think The City We Became is her latest, right?

It is, and it's fantastic.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

biracial bear for uncut posted:

What a surprise, more White Court bullshit and cringe writing about how much Jim Butcher Dresden wants to gently caress Lara and/or Mab. :

I don't know. The fact that Dresden called them monsters, beautiful monsters but still monsters didn't make me think that. He seemed understandably scared by both of them. And kind of angry about it.

Really with these first chapters I've noticed a definite lack of the whole BOOBS'RE AWESUM poo poo he's done in the past.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
Rereading Turn Coat and Dresden mentions that Hexus is hard to aim and calibrate specifically. My immediate thought is that at some point he might accidentally break someone's pacemaker. That would gently caress him up pretty good.

Up Circle
Apr 3, 2008

Everyone posted:

I don't know. The fact that Dresden called them monsters, beautiful monsters but still monsters didn't make me think that. He seemed understandably scared by both of them. And kind of angry about it.

Really with these first chapters I've noticed a definite lack of the whole BOOBS'RE AWESUM poo poo he's done in the past.

thats cuz he ain't seen some titties yet

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


jivjov posted:

That's what books cost.

books suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!

DreamingofRoses posted:

N. K. Jemisin is amazing and very often heartbreaking and I read/finished her Shattered Earth trilogy while my mom was in the hospital/shortly after she died and the Afterword (IIRC) of the last book left me in tears. I think The City We Became is her latest, right?

It's probably the best urban fantasy I'm likely to read for a long time (until the sequel comes out).

I mean, it's really loving good and the fact this thread isn't talking about it is a crime.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Beachcomber posted:

Rereading Turn Coat and Dresden mentions that Hexus is hard to aim and calibrate specifically. My immediate thought is that at some point he might accidentally break someone's pacemaker. That would gently caress him up pretty good.

Yeah, that comes up a few times in the series, where he can't visit injured friends in ICU because he might blow out their life sustaining stuff, or even worse some random bystander in a room he walks past.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

jivjov posted:

Yeah, that comes up a few times in the series, where he can't visit injured friends in ICU because he might blow out their life sustaining stuff, or even worse some random bystander in a room he walks past.

Right, but I'm talking about when he deliberately causes it to happen. That's human death caused directly by magic, even though it's an accident.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

It's worth noting that a failed pacemaker doesn't have to be immediately catastrophic

Chronic patients may be 'Pacemaker Dependant' but it's just an aid that's perfectly survivable in the short term for many.

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

Deptfordx posted:

It's worth noting that a failed pacemaker doesn't have to be immediately catastrophic

Chronic patients may be 'Pacemaker Dependant' but it's just an aid that's perfectly survivable in the short term for many.

Failed is not the same as catastrophic damage

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Giving October Daye a try and so far it’s just a series of October getting attacked, fainting, getting saved and patched up only to be attached again. Does it get better?

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!
You can have a little heart failure, as a treat.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



DreamingofRoses posted:

Failed is not the same as catastrophic damage

Yeah, catastrophic would be the battery, as small as it is, exploding in the body.

Aerdan
Apr 14, 2012

Not Dennis NEDry

Deptfordx posted:

It's worth noting that a failed pacemaker doesn't have to be immediately catastrophic

Chronic patients may be 'Pacemaker Dependant' but it's just an aid that's perfectly survivable in the short term for many.

But modern technology doesn't just fail, it tends to fail messily. See the scene where he's on the Larry Fowler show, for instance.

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib

Avalerion posted:

Giving October Daye a try and so far it’s just a series of October getting attacked, fainting, getting saved and patched up only to be attached again. Does it get better?

Yes, and no. There's progression in her character and capabilities to some extent. She doesn't do 'cool badass who blow poo poo up' like Dresden or Verus.
Definitely on the Mercy Thompson end of the scale if you read those.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Avalerion posted:

Giving October Daye a try and so far it’s just a series of October getting attacked, fainting, getting saved and patched up only to be attached again. Does it get better?

In my opinion it gets better, but other characters start joking about how she's constantly covered with her own blood. She starts saving herself more.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

Beachcomber posted:

Right, but I'm talking about when he deliberately causes it to happen. That's human death caused directly by magic, even though it's an accident.

I think to break a Law of Magic, it has to be intentional.

Still, that's one reason Dresden (and other reasonably responsible/competant magic-users tend to have/move battles away from crowds).

I admit that as crossovers go, I'd love to see Harry have to deal with A Wizard

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

Everyone posted:

I think to break a Law of Magic, it has to be intentional.

Jim Butcher posted:

But if the substance of the consequences of the act itself does not have its own inherent quality of good or evil, then how can the /intentions/ behind it determine a similar quality? “Really, I was only trying to provide a better quality of life for my family and my employees. It wasn’t my intention to destroy that particular species of flower in the rain forest that cures cancer.” “I was just trying to give those Injuns some blankets. It wasn’t my intention to expose them to smallpox and wipe out hundreds of thousands of innocent people.” “I just wanted to get that book finished while working two jobs and finishing a brutal semester of grad school. It wasn’t my intention to screw up the name of Bianca’s personal assistant whose death had motivated her to go all power hungry to get revenge on Harry.”

There’s some old chestnut about good intentions serving as base level gradient on an expressway that goes somewhere, but I can’t remember the specifics right now. :) While I agree that the /intentions/ of the person taking action are not without significance, they carry far less weight than the /consequences/ of that action.

“I meant to shoot him in the leg and wound him, not hit the femoral artery and kill him, so I should not be considered guilty of murder,” is not something that stands up in a court of law /or/ in any serious moral or ethical evaluation. You had the weapon. You knew it was potentially lethal, even if you did attempt to use it in a less than fully lethal fashion. (Or if you DIDN’T know that, you were a freaking idiot playing with people’s lives, something really no less excusable.) But you chose to employ the weapon anyway. The consequences of those actions are /yours/, your doing, regardless of how innocent your intentions may have been.

Similarly, if you meant to drill that ^@#%er through the eyes, if you had every intention of murdering him outright, but you shot him in the hand and he survived with minor injuries, again the consequences overshadow your intentions. You might have made a stupid or morally questionable choice, but it isn’t like anyone *died* or anything. He’s fine (at least in the long term), you’re fine, and there are fewer repercussions–regardless of your hideous intentions.
So if Dresden ices up a sidewalk and an old lady slips and falls on it he is just as culpable as if he immolated her

Edit:I'm not really sure how far out Jim has considered second order effects though tbh, his example is lethal force used in an attempted nonlethal way.

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jul 10, 2020

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

Hub Cat posted:

So if Dresden ices up a sidewalk and an old lady slips and falls on it he is just as culpable as if he immolated her

Edit:I'm not really sure how far out Jim has considered second order effects though tbh, his example is lethal force used in an attempted nonlethal way.

It doesn't really sound like he's fully thought it through.

If somebody sics a killer drone on Dresden and he Hexus it and that Hexus incidentally makes the heart of some nearby dude with a pacemaker explode, does that break the First Law? Apparently so, by his logic.

It does make me wonder about a story set, say, three hundred years in the future with everybody cyborged up the rear end and wizards are terrified to so much as breath wrong lest they crash whole cities or something.

Everyone fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jul 10, 2020

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Everyone posted:

It doesn't really sound like he's fully thought it through.

If somebody sics a killer drone on Dresden and he Hexus it and that Hexus incidentally makes the heart of some nearby dude with a pacemaker explode, does that break the First Law? Apparently so, by his logic.

It does make me wonder about a story set, say, three hundred years in the future with everybody cyborged up the rear end and wizards are terrified to so much as breath wrong lest they crash whole cities or something.

It'll almost certainly be different in 300 years. Go back 300 years and wizards made milk turn sour. It changes with the times.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

Ornamented Death posted:

It'll almost certainly be different in 300 years. Go back 300 years and wizards made milk turn sour. It changes with the times.

Well, sure, but 300 years ago if a wizard went to a farm and soured some milk, he just soured the milk on that farm. He didn't sour all milk everywhere because milk was on some super-universal wifi connection. Figure 300 years from now everything will be connected to everything else everywhere. A Hexus fuckup in, say, Texas, might wipe out the grid in Indonesia or something.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Yeah, it seems to be something that's really damned inconvenient but not usually deadly...so in 300 years maybe wizards are a walking wi-fi dead zone bubble, but the tech itself doesn't burn out anymore.

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Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

jivjov posted:

Yeah, it seems to be something that's really damned inconvenient but not usually deadly...so in 300 years maybe wizards are a walking wi-fi dead zone bubble, but the tech itself doesn't burn out anymore.

Still, we know that it can be deadly. Otherwise Harry wouldn't be so reluctant to go to hospital for fear of harming patients.

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