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Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

other tampa goons back me up on this because i don't remember the details very much but we had like, a sting operation against uber drivers in our city and so the state government disbanded the entire city-level regulatory agency that regulates that poo poo and passed a law saying nobody can restrict uber stuff on a city level, under the guise of passing "state-level regulations" for how uber must certify drivers for "consistency across the state," which, surprise!, were basically what uber was already doing

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:10

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Just-In-Timeberlake: Aug 18, 2003

http://www.clickhole.com/article/je...SocialMarketing

quote:

Jeff Bezos Just Tossed A Nail-Studded Baseball Bat On The Floor Between The Mayors Of Pittsburgh And Kansas City And Asked Who Really Wants The Second Amazon HQ

NEWS
Posted Oct. 24, 2017
LIKE
The mayors of Pittsburgh and Atlanta about to fight.
As Amazon executives review bids placed by cities who want to house the company�s second headquarters, it�s anyone�s guess who will win out. But we may now have a clue who the early frontrunners are: Tech insiders are reporting that Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos just tossed a nail-studded baseball bat on the floor during a meeting with the mayors of Pittsburgh and Kansas City and asked them to prove how much they want the second Amazon headquarters.

Industry experts say the civic leaders initially laughed off Bezos� suggestion, but are now taking it seriously after the executive poured himself a glass of fine bourbon, took one long sip, and simply said, �Thousands of highly skilled jobs that will need filling.�

According to reports, Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto was in the process of pleading with Bezos, insisting that surely there must be another way to decide this without appealing to man�s baser instincts, when Kansas City Mayor Sly James cut in to insist that neither man would ever consider harming the other, no matter how great the opportunity. James trailed off mid-sentence when Bezos rang a bell and the mayor of Tampa Bay entered the room on all fours like a dog, apparently blinded from a recent eye trauma, to shakily hand Bezos a cigar that the e-commerce mogul immediately lit as he kicked his feet up onto his desk.

�Maybe I�ll just go with Tampa then,� Bezos said through puffs of his Arturo Fuente, which caused James and Peduto to steal quick glances at the bat between them.

The infrastructure investments Amazon has promised to make in its city of choice alone explain why both mayors are now hesitantly inching closer to the bat, sweat forming at their temples. Insiders say that Mayor James has finally taken off his sports coat and glasses, though he reassured Mayor Peduto that it was simply because the room was warm and in no way because the jacket would limit his range of motion to deliver blows of a nail-studded baseball bat.

Sources have confirmed that Bezos had grown tired of the mayors� dithering, telling them that this was all �rather unfortunate� and making his way toward the door. But, just as he was about to exit the room, the mayors both lunged toward the bat with everything they had, so it looks like both cities are still totally in contention for HQ2.

Good on you, Pittsburghers and Kansas Citians, you�ve definitely picked leaders that are in it to win it. We wish both cities luck in proving they�re worthy of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:12

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

infernal machines posted:

they have magic.

i've seen articles about theoretical peer-to-peer info sharing from vehicles in the area, completely ignoring how there's nothing even approaching a standard for autonomous sensors, data formats, etc.

I read a journal article that was basically the opposite: entirely focused on just how goddamn hard the processing and communications arrangement would be because it is basically race conditions all the way down, clock sync is nearly impossible, and packets aren't the only thing that can collide. I seem to recall it also concluded that complexity goes up faster than exponentially with vehicle and lane count and that attempting to scale by adding computation units was likely going to be counterproductive due to the additional race condition checks that would be required.

I wish I had saved it. I think it was in one of the IEEE journals.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:14

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

ate all the Oreos posted:

p much. lots of people, even smart people who should know better, think machine learning is some exponential process that one day will just hit the part of the curve that flies off to infinity and suddenly we'll have god-AI.

from what i've heard from actual researchers though, there's tons and tons of saddle points and local minima and all sorts of other random bullshit in that graph that computers constantly get stuck in, and we're not even sure what lies beyond that bullshit (if anything)

https://twitter.com/danevandyck/status/751447473407684609

(he cannot)

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:14

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

this'd be a huge derail to get into discussing very deeply, but this is a wide-ranging assumption that it is somewhat invisible to people; deep learning techniques have had a of success when getting data thrown at them, but there is no actual argument or proof why they must necessarily keep going towards perfection in every scenario we imagine, such as self-driving cars

that is, there may be a combinatorial explosion inherent in the self-driving task when mapped onto the deep learning structure (i.e. neural networks of some simple topologies), and they may never improve to the level people keep expecting. sure we are seeing progress now, but it may be approaching perfect self-driving only in the way you can approach going to the moon by climbing higher in a tree

it's not, "they perfectly self-drive", it's, "they self-drive 10x better than peeps"
not a low bar, not an impossibly high bar. w/o rain, I think googcar is getting close (and only googcar)

we knew that as soon as you poke a single goddamn thing combinatorial explosions fall out in neural net land, and we've known that since the 60's. but backprop already is a O(n^(2r)) to O(rn^2) speed improvement anyhow per minibatch so you know

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:15

EIDE Van Hagar: Dec 8, 2000; Beep Boop

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

don't forget the best part: magical intersection management

goddamn think about how terrifying that would be to experience

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:15

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

qirex posted:

66% of downtown sf traffic citations are issued to tnc drivers [estimated to be 20% of traffic], the bulk of them are for stopping where they shouldn't and driving in the bus/taxi lane

if you know anything about the sfpd they pretty much don't enforce traffic laws like ever so the reality is far, far worse

holy moly

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:16

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Shifty Pony posted:

I read a journal article that was basically the opposite: entirely focused on just how goddamn hard the processing and communications arrangement would be because it is basically race conditions all the way down, clock sync is nearly impossible, and packets aren't the only thing that can collide. I seem to recall it also concluded that complexity goes up faster than exponentially with vehicle and lane count and that attempting to scale by adding computation units was likely going to be counterproductive due to the additional race condition checks that would be required.

I wish I had saved it. I think it was in one of the IEEE journals.

yeah, it pretty obviously doesn't work for low-latency realtime poo poo like organizing traffic flow, but i've seen this poo poo come up every year or so like clockwork since the darpa grand challenge was a thing

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:16

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

C.H.O.M.E posted:

goddamn think about how terrifying that would be to experience

the grannykiller intersection design

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:18

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

ate all the Oreos posted:

p much. lots of people, even smart people who should know better, think machine learning is some exponential process that one day will just hit the part of the curve that flies off to infinity and suddenly we'll have god-AI.

from what i've heard from actual researchers though, there's tons and tons of saddle points and local minima and all sorts of other random bullshit in that graph that computers constantly get stuck in, and we're not even sure what lies beyond that bullshit (if anything)

in constraint satisfaction problems, they even have a phase diagram spelled out like in physics and poo poo, with a region in the phase diagram where Nature basically says "lol go gently caress yourself"

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:19

crabrock: Aug 2, 2002; I

AM

MAGNIFICENT

ate all the Oreos posted:

p much. lots of people, even smart people who should know better, think machine learning is some exponential process that one day will just hit the part of the curve that flies off to infinity and suddenly we'll have god-AI.

from what i've heard from actual researchers though, there's tons and tons of saddle points and local minima and all sorts of other random bullshit in that graph that computers constantly get stuck in, and we're not even sure what lies beyond that bullshit (if anything)

it will reach a limit, and then the smarty smart mans at the computer factory will write a new code and it will be better.

i think even flawed computer driving machines will kill fewer people than people currently do.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:19

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

bump_fn posted:

https://twitter.com/michaelarria/status/932634112048992257

...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of the Dead would be a good motto for Tesla

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:19

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

https://twitter.com/danevandyck/status/751490901252329472

no poo poo

bob dobbs is dead posted:

it's not, "they perfectly self-drive", it's, "they self-drive 10x better than peeps"
not a low bar, not an impossibly high bar. w/o rain, I think googcar is getting close (and only googcar)

when you can stop qualifying that statement it'll stop being an impossibly high bar.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:19

post hole digger: Mar 21, 2011

hifi posted:

the type of people that eat pico de gallo.

look at how stupid you are

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:19

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

qirex posted:

if you know anything about the sfpd they pretty much don't enforce traffic laws like ever so the reality is far, far worse

yea you can run reds infront of them and they'll just shake their head. literally see it happen constantly

about the only time i see them do enforcement is like hov lane near bryant at 4pm, or the harrison-3rd st shitshow usually has a traffic cop.

tho you can p much drive in the bus-only lanes there, since there's like 100 cars infront of you and after you that they aren't going to pull you over

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:20

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

crabrock posted:

it will reach a limit, and then the smarty smart mans at the computer factory will write a new code and it will be better.

this is a religious belief at this point. it's a statement of pure faith

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:21

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

crabrock posted:

i think even flawed computer driving machines will kill fewer people than people currently do.

hope they can see through all inclement weather and understand missing pavement delineation and damaged signs like a human can or else it's a total nonstarter

b/c right now it looks like you'd need strong ai to do those things lol

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:22

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

C.H.O.M.E posted:

goddamn think about how terrifying that would be to experience

that's not even the scariest computer driving gif, I remember seeing a different one that tried to find a way to eliminate red lights entirely by tweaking follow distances so that intersecting traffic would be able to zip between vehicles without anyone involved slowing down

# ? Nov 20, 2017 20:22

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost