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If you're in Riverside, please don't re-elect Mike Hestrin for DA. https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/11/riverside-county-da-race-reformer-challenges-tough-crime-incumbent/602903002/ He's basically Gangs are Terrorizing Us Tough On Crime Mr. Punisher guy
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Reading though the local SF propositions right now. It says in the voter booklet that if both prop C and D pass, the one with the most votes will be enacted. Does that really mean I have to choose between tax money going to child care and education (C) OR housing and homelessness services (D)?
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Meanwhile in San Jose we've got the competing Measures B and C. Measure B: Allows unused land zoned for "employment lands" to be developed as residential. Sounds great, except only 20% of the land will be used for "seniors and veterans at below market value" while the rest will be used by the greedy rich developers sponsoring the measure to throw up a billion more luxury apartments almost nobody can afford. So that sucks. Measure C: Doesn't allow unused land zoned for "employment lands" to be developed as residential. Uh, unless the city council wants it to be that is, and then any approved plans pass an environmental review. If both of those happen then it can be developed as residential, and at least 50% of anything built has to be affordable to low-moderate income households. Which is great! Except it's very likely the city council will never let anything be approved ever because they hate further development. So my choices are "20% of this portion of unused land goes to seniors/veterans and the rest goes to the rich" or "50% of this portion of unused land goes to low-medium income households, unless the city council blocks any and all development plans, which they almost certainly will."  I love the dumb state, but I also really, really hate this dumb state. Sydin fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Jun 5, 2018 01:29
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fermun posted:Canvassers are trained to put people into categories at every contact attempt. The categories are typically Support/Oppose/Maybe/Did Not Respond. If you are in Maybe or Did Not Respond, they will attempt to contact you again, Oppose they will stop contacting you, Support they will stop contacting you until the Get Out The Vote effort begins unless you vote early. They will also stop contacting you if you vote early because your name will drop off the Department of Elections list of people who haven't voted yet. I voted over 2 weeks ago and today I got my first election text, from the ACLU, asking me if I wanted to learn about the district attorney elections in my district. I gave the ACLU money so they already have my phone number, but I don't think they bothered to check who had voted before texting me.
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Jun 5, 2018 01:35
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Sydin posted:Meanwhile in San Jose we've got the competing Measures B and C. I went for No on B and Yes on C b/c the first one is some developers trying to get cute and get around city permissions with a local measure + spamming out mailers with "you're killing your veteran grandpa, you monster". Even if the city council drags their feet, at least they have some small measure of public accountability.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Enjoy your Sophie's Choice, voters!  Well I guess ill go no on C and yes on D with the hope that G will pass (it funds education). Looking at the Lt Gov race, someone help convince me between Kounalakis and Bleich. They both have very similar stances on issues, experience, and endorsements. Any skeletons in either of their closets?
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Kuvo posted:Reading though the local SF propositions right now. It says in the voter booklet that if both prop C and D pass, the one with the most votes will be enacted. Does that really mean I have to choose between tax money going to child care and education (C) OR housing and homelessness services (D)? Yes, an important thing to remember is that San Francisco politics are largely driven by personal spite. So before Ed Lee died, Jane Kim already knew that she was going to be running for mayor and would be one of the 3 frontrunners, so she wanted to get a major legislative win before it. She met with a bunch of childcare providers and then wrote the ballot measure and worked with activist groups to get signatures to get it onto the ballot. After it was confirmed it was going to be on the ballot, the moderate supervisors Ahsha Safai, Jeff Sheehy, Katy Tang, Malia Cohen, and Mark Farrell wrote prop D with half the tax rate and a poison pill then got that on the ballot legislatively with the idea that they could defeat prop C with it and prevent Jane Kim from having a win. Props that raise taxes and go on the ballot through signature drives only need >50% majority to pass, props that raise taxes and go on the ballot legislatively need >2/3 majority to pass. No one is sure what happens if both get >50% but less than 2/3 and Prop D gets more votes than Prop C, however, the City Attorney says they believe that it will mean Prop C passes and Prop D doesn't, but some independent analysts say that it will mean both fail, and some proponents of Prop D have indicated they will sue if that result happens. Furthermore, the Coalition on Homelessness had been working on a ballot measure for the November ballot with the progressive supes which does a lot more than Prop D does, and if Prop D becomes law then it gives the moderates a way to attack that measure as a "we JUST raised taxes for homelessness" line of attack. It's spite all the way down! Leperflesh posted:I voted over 2 weeks ago and today I got my first election text, from the ACLU, asking me if I wanted to learn about the district attorney elections in my district. I gave the ACLU money so they already have my phone number, but I don't think they bothered to check who had voted before texting me. Yeah, some campaigns don't check very often or at all, but most do and voting early can reduce the amount of contact you get by voting early.
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Gayle McLaughlin has the Bernie stamp of approval so that was my pick. Didn’t really bother looking into Lt Governor candidates tbh
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Cicero posted:There are plenty of ways to deal with/fix prop 13 that don't involve booting seniors out of their home. You could let people forfeit increased home values in exchange for constrained property taxes, or just have a much narrower version of prop 13 specifically to deal with the grandma case (and get rid of it applying to commercial property, second/rental homes, being able to pass it on to heirs, getting the reduced taxes even when you can easily afford it, etc.). prop 13 (assuming it lives on immortal, like the vampire that it is) should obviously only apply to primary residences. seems a no-brainer
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Smythe posted:prop 13 (assuming it lives on immortal, like the vampire that it is) should obviously only apply to primary residences. seems a no-brainer extremely unwoke racism against corporate-americans ITT
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Mitsuo posted:I went for No on B and Yes on C b/c the first one is some developers trying to get cute and get around city permissions with a local measure + spamming out mailers with "you're killing your veteran grandpa, you monster". Even if the city council drags their feet, at least they have some small measure of public accountability. Yeah this is my thinking, although I'm not thrilled. The measure B sponsors are shady as gently caress and I'm not going to back them, but measure C feels like a piss poor counter. It's also backed by Liccardo and without getting into too much detail (I sort of work for the county) he's a massive anti-labor poo poo head and I'm loath to back anything he backs.
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Kuvo posted:Looking at the Lt Gov race, someone help convince me between Kounalakis and Bleich. They both have very similar stances on issues, experience, and endorsements. Any skeletons in either of their closets? I came to the same conclusion, so I voted for the lady over the old white guy. The yellow campaigning against Kounalakis is saying she's beholden to her big money corporate sponsors. 
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CrazyLittle posted:I came to the same conclusion, so I voted for the lady over the old white guy. The yellow campaigning against Kounalakis is saying she's beholden to her big money corporate sponsors. I voted for Ed Hernandez because some labor voter website that hit my de Leon,
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CrazyLittle posted:I came to the same conclusion, so I voted for the lady over the old white guy. The yellow campaigning against Kounalakis is saying she's beholden to her big money corporate sponsors. Her biggest corporate sponsor is her dad's company that donated $9M to her campaign, which overall has raised about $10M so far. I voted for Gayle McLaughlin, endorsed by Bernie's Our Revolution.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:If you're in Riverside, please don't re-elect Mike Hestrin for DA. Yeah, i voted for the other lady, she seemed OK. For the sheriff and police stuff I basically voted for whoever didn't have the police union support lol
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Jun 5, 2018 04:03
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The only robocalls/messages are for Genevieve Jones and Gavin Newsome, which meant I could cheer up some poor media intern's day by saying I'd vote for Jones.
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Jun 5, 2018 04:26
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Anybody have good arguments for/against the Persky recall? On the one hand yeah his handling of the Turner case was abject bullshit, but OTOH voters electing/recalling/having anything to do with judges frightens me.
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fermun posted:Her biggest corporate sponsor is her dad's company that donated $9M to her campaign, which overall has raised about $10M so far. Same. Normally I like to do a bit more research but it's hard to beat the Bernie Stamp of Approval these days. [five hours later] We regret to inform you that Bernie Sanders--
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Cup Runneth Over posted:[five hours later] We regret to inform you that Bernie Sanders-- Didn't beat the poo poo out of Alex Jones while he was stuck at LAX.
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Sydin posted:Anybody have good arguments for/against the Persky recall? On the one hand yeah his handling of the Turner case was abject bullshit, but OTOH voters electing/recalling/having anything to do with judges frightens me. I heard a decent explanation for a No vote from the public defender podcast Aider and Abettor, who are based in Santa Clara. Essentially their argument was we should be encouraging sentences other than maximum jail time, and recalling judges for not being tough enough on crime will influence them toward harsher sentences, and worsen mass incarceration. I voted No but wouldn’t lose sleep over a Yes vote so I dunno
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Trabisnikof posted:Don’t worry, with the political realities of Californian any goon expecting a sweet sweet payday when gramps finally kicks it will still get to keep it. Lol this is basically me except gramps kicked it and the entire estate’s tax basis is about the same as my condo I bought at the bottom of the recession. So many Californians are wrapped up in Prop 13’s generational gravy train it’s going to be insanely difficult to repeal
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The only robocalls/messages are for Genevieve Jones and Gavin Newsome, which meant I could cheer up some poor media intern's day by saying I'd vote for Jones. I’ve thrown a lot of time, sweat, and money into the Jones-Wright campaign cause she’s great and I appreciate your support.
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The sad thing is Villaraigosa's bid to run as a Republican on the Democratic ticket really works. My dad was about to vote for him because "not Newsom, good chance of top two Democrats" until I dove on him like a Secret Service bodyguard and explained what he was voting for.
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Sydin posted:Anybody have good arguments for/against the Persky recall? On the one hand yeah his handling of the Turner case was abject bullshit, but OTOH voters electing/recalling/having anything to do with judges frightens me. He has a history of being super gross with rich dudes and sex crimes. quote:For the campaign, though, it goes beyond Turner. On its website, it lists several other cases in which, according to the campaign, Persky “appeared to favor athletes and other relatively privileged individuals accused of sex crimes or violence against women.” Also, can I just say lmao @ the guy running for assessor in LA county who goes by the handle of John “Lower Taxes” Loew?
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If there's such a strong history of rape/abuse apology, I'll swallow my misgivings and vote yes. I really think judges should be removed from mob mentality and thus as far removed from voters as possible, but that's out the window if you abuse your position.
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judicial elections are very bad and tend to grossly distort the judicial system, but given that they currently exist in california there is no reason to not use them to get someone who shouldn't be on the bench off it but they really should be repealed
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evilweasel posted:judicial elections are very bad and tend to grossly distort the judicial system, but given that they currently exist in california there is no reason to not use them to get someone who shouldn't be on the bench off it yeop. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: most of the time I am super fuckin with electing judges and recalling judges as being dumb as hell, but this is that extraordinary circumstance where dude completely sucks.
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Sorry for the dumb question but are these the correct votes to cast today? http://www.dsa-la.org/dsa-la_primary_voter_guide Couldn't find a handy dandy SA-approved candidate guide in the OP
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Sydin posted:Anybody have good arguments for/against the Persky recall? On the one hand yeah his handling of the Turner case was abject bullshit, but OTOH voters electing/recalling/having anything to do with judges frightens me. The Wiggly Wizard posted:I heard a decent explanation for a No vote from the public defender podcast Aider and Abettor, who are based in Santa Clara. Essentially their argument was we should be encouraging sentences other than maximum jail time, and recalling judges for not being tough enough on crime will influence them toward harsher sentences, and worsen mass incarceration. Even now, that shitsucker is like "I can't believe people are so upset! I can't understand all the hate".
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Sorry for the dumb question but are these the correct votes to cast today? yeah same here, I didnt do my homework either! e: also this voter guide is a little sensationalist, to put it lightly. buglord fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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stone cold posted:yeop. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: most of the time I am super fuckin with electing judges and recalling judges as being dumb as hell, but this is that extraordinary circumstance where dude completely sucks. Yeah this is my stance in light of the fact that the Turner ruling is part of a pattern of being a piece of poo poo on violence against women. What particularly struck me was that he arguably broke sentencing laws to let Gunderson off the hook, which imo makes him unfit to be on the bench.
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FilthyImp posted:Ok, so that's not exactly honest since the issue isn't that the judge didn't pursue strict enough punishment, it's that he literally stepped in and said that the guy's punishment was way out of line with his sports accomplishments and would ruin this Fine Upstanding Young Man's prospects in life and basically slapped him on the wrist DESPITE there being like three witnesses pulling him off of the victim and DNA evidence. It's not an issue of encouraging Touch Crime stances, it's about a guy that has an obvious bias in sexual violence cases. it's a very honest criticism: one of the reasons judicial elections are so bad is judges only get removed for too lenient sentences, not too harsh ones. it's entirely consistent to decide that you won't support removing judges using them for sentencing to try to diminish that. no judge has ever gotten repealed for giving young black men too harsh a sentence, but "weak on crime" is generally the only way a judge does get tossed off the bench in elections. but it's also honest to realize "look this system exists and won't be abolished if we refuse to get rid of this shitlord so we might as well get a good result here" while supporting its overall abolishment.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Sorry for the dumb question but are these the correct votes to cast today? if you’re in CA-25 you should vote Katie Hill and not Jess Phoenix
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For Senator is just says "Not Feinstein" but who is the particular "not Feinstein" that we're all voting for?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:For Senator is just says "Not Feinstein" but who is the particular "not Feinstein" that we're all voting for? e. misread your post. Vote De Leon.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:For Senator is just says "Not Feinstein" but who is the particular "not Feinstein" that we're all voting for? Also I'm wary of the DSA voter's guide since they tell people that are already long-shotting Eastin to also consider La Riva, AND support Prop 72  evilweasel posted:it's a very honest criticism
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CPColin posted:I want de León win partly because I bet lots of software involved in reporting on the Senate won't be able to handle the ó properly.
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FilthyImp posted:De Leon is the closest to having a shot, but he's within the margin of error for losing to the Republican and ensuring we have no choice but to vote Feinstein again. So basically today is about getting De Leon to the final two, and then somehow engineering a miracle situation where he builds up his GOTV campaign to climb out of his 40 point deficit and beat a 90 year old. That voter guide also says that there's an argument to going Villarigosa, as he's close to being #2 and it denies Cox a platform. Which is not a bad strategy. The argument for 72 among people i've talked to is Prop 13 is going to be there forever and any water saving is good.
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