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So, uh, I'm thankfully finally wrapping up my Voyager run through. I never thought I'd see someone outcreep Geordi on the holodeck, but somehow Seven pulled it off. This loving show.
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Astroman posted:Well since it's set 10 years before TOS Fuller was cagey about this, because when he said "ten years pre-TOS," he dodged follow-up questions asking if he meant ten years prior to The Cage, or prior to Where No Man Has Gone Before. If it's ten years before The Cage, then that ties into my theory about the overall arc being about the Tarsus IV blight (since Fuller said the story was about an event mentioned but never fully explored in TOS). Of course, again, since Fuller got kicked to the curb back in October, and he only wrote two scripts plus the season outline, God only knows what, if any, of his material still remains.
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Mar 22, 2017 02:23
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It's more likely Fuller wanted to leave than didn't.
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Mar 22, 2017 02:40
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Setting it 10 years before The Cage, ie the 2240s, would be much much better. You'd have far fewer of the TOS era officers in positions of authority--even guys like Pike and Decker would be junior officers. The only one of note would be April. Kirk and the younger gen would be children and have no reason to show up at all. Besides the Vulcans, most people from Enterprise would be dead except Archer who supposedly dies the day after the Enterprise NCC 1701 is launched in 2245. Which would actually be a good cameo for Scott Bakula in old age makeup. Hell, you could end the show with the launch of the 1701, and on that note, there would be no Constitution Class starships in service, or 1-2 at best. You'd be in a sweet spot where a lot of Kelvin-era ships are being phased out if not already gone but the ships of TOS aren't invented yet. This gives a lot more freedom to design "new" stuff and tech without it being anachronistic, because it's an era we've never seen on screen. I would feel a lot better about the show if I heard it was in the 2240s.
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Mar 22, 2017 03:20
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If only they put half as much thought into it as goons do
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Timby posted:Fuller was cagey about this, because when he said "ten years pre-TOS," he dodged follow-up questions asking if he meant ten years prior to The Cage, or prior to Where No Man Has Gone Before. If it's ten years before The Cage, then that ties into my theory about the overall arc being about the Tarsus IV blight (since Fuller said the story was about an event mentioned but never fully explored in TOS). I'm pretty dubious about it being the blight. Conscience of the King is a good episode, but I doubt many fans have been clamoring for an explanation of it, since we already got the salient backstory in the episode itself. Also, and this part is important, Kirk was there. We don't really find out what he was doing there or how he was involved, but the fact remains that, if you were doing a story that doesn't include Kirk you'd avoid Tarsus IV like it was the plague. Now it's possible they're planning to cast a young Kirk and include him in the story, but I don't think they'd do that for the simple reason that Pine-Kirk may yet get another movie and I doubt they want to get a lot of confusing questions about the timelines or get in a big pissing match over character rights. Besides, they cast a bunch of Klingons and, as far as I know, they didn't have anything to do with Tarsus IV. My guess is that we're going to finally get a real explanation of the "misunderstanding" that started the Klingon-Federation cold war. That's a genuinely unexplored part of the Trek backstory that people have been wondering about for 50 years, it fits the stated time period (well MA says it started a little earlier, but it could still inform the series even if its set a few years later), and it has a lot more resonance with the franchise as a whole than any number of events that are only mentioned in a single episode. I'm pretty sure I suggested it before they cast a single Klingon and now I'm all but certain it's what we're going to get.
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Watch "Generations" for the first time in a long time. It certainly stinks, but the fight between the Enterprise and the Duras' sisters bird of prey is legitimately good. Brent Spiner is loving terrible, hams it up so bad with the emotion chip. It's too long, so if they'd just dropped his plot all together, it would have been an OK film with a lovely ending. Kirk's death is such a kick in the balls; he was right in the Nexus, the universe owed him one, and Picard should have just left him alone. If you can leave the Nexus to any time, how about you just go back to when you have Sauron in your goddamn custody right after picking him up off the lab and go "Hey Worf, arrest that dude"? PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:34
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Y'know, the Eugenics Wars took place between 1992 and 1996, and resulted in the death of over 30,000,000 people, but Voyager seems to ignore this every time an episode takes place in that decade. The Eugenics Wars apparently never happened in Voyager's timeline. Either that, or the writers played fast and loose with canon dates.
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Mar 22, 2017 11:00
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I would rather have a quietly retconned Eugenics Wars over Star Trek trying and dismally failing to be gritty yet again.
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Mar 22, 2017 11:13
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MikeJF posted:Shall we start a betting pool on references to the Enterprise slash it cameoing? Pilot episode, as was the pre-ENT tradition to carry over something from a previous series. Edit: random thought, which Dax is the one alive during the ST:D timeline? Emony's boning Dr. McCoy, right?
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Mar 22, 2017 11:54
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I'm guessing they'll cameo T'Pol as the hand-off. Emony's the Dax alive during DSC, she met McCoy when he was young, before he became a doctor.
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Mar 22, 2017 11:58
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Wasn't Blalock the only actor who liked the franchise anyway? Then again, maybe they'll just try to pretend Enterprise never happened. I know I do.
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The_Doctor posted:Oh hey, a garbage scow. Laddie, don't ye think ye should rephrase that?
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Mar 22, 2017 14:12
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Sometimes I get the feeling this thread is caught in a temporal causality loop.
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Drone posted:Sometimes I get the feeling this thread is caught in a temporal causality loop. So what is it? 
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Mar 22, 2017 15:09
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skasion posted:Wasn't Blalock the only actor who liked the franchise anyway? Then again, maybe they'll just try to pretend Enterprise never happened. I know I do. Jolene Blalock was a huge trekkie and I think I've read that she hated being forced into the "sex appeal" role lol tits
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Mar 22, 2017 15:26
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PostNouveau posted:Kirk's death is such a kick in the balls; he was right in the Nexus, the universe owed him one, and Picard should have just left him alone. If you can leave the Nexus to any time, how about you just go back to when you have Sauron in your goddamn custody right after picking him up off the lab and go "Hey Worf, arrest that dude"? Or a bit farther back and warn your no-longer-estranged loving family that they're all about to burn to death in agony. And send Kirk back to the Enterprise B to punch Soran there.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:30
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ENT was such a critical and commercial failure I can't help but think they'd want a TOS character to do the "handoff" in Discovery. The main cast seems unlikely since they'd all be junior officers or not in Starfleet at that point. Sarek, maybe? He's supposed to be in this, right?
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Mar 22, 2017 15:37
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They should just have an Enterprise character because this is realistically going to be Enterprise 2.0 at best.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:42
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King Hong Kong posted:They should just have an Enterprise character because this is realistically going to be Enterprise 2.0 at best. I'd be fine with Scott Bakula showing up as "Admiral Archer" or some such kind of like how they referenced him in nutrek. And then have Jonathan Frakes as the cook 
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Mar 22, 2017 15:45
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All of the Star Trek we see is just the establishing story bits of Jonathan Frakes' holopornos.
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I want a low budget CGI Riker because Frakes is wayyyy too old to even do what they did on enterprise.
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VitalSigns posted:All of the Star Trek we see is just the establishing story bits of Jonathan Frakes' holopornos. 
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grilldos posted:It's more likely Fuller wanted to leave than didn't. Fuller made it clear in his December interview that he didn't jump, he was pushed. Pakled posted:Sarek, maybe? He's supposed to be in this, right? Sarek, portrayed by James Frain, is part of the regular cast. At this point in his career, he's an astrophysicist. Timby fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 17:08
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I forget, did they ever mention previously that Sarek served in Starfleet? Or maybe it's a T'Pol thing where he is a liaison to the Vulcan Science Academy or whatever
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FlamingLiberal posted:I forget, did they ever mention previously that Sarek served in Starfleet? Or maybe it's a T'Pol thing where he is a liaison to the Vulcan Science Academy or whatever Considering Sarek didn't speak to Spock for many years because of Spock's decision to join Starfleet, I'd say he probably hasn't joined up himself. Or maybe he did and he had a horrible experience and that's why he didn't want Spock to do it, who knows.
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Powered Descent posted:Considering Sarek didn't speak to Spock for many years because of Spock's decision to join Starfleet, I'd say he probably hasn't joined up himself. There's a scene that was written but not filmed for "Journey to Babel," during Amanda's infodump, in which she says that Sarek was an originally an astrophysicist before he decided to follow in his father's footsteps as a diplomat. Fontana took it out because it weakened Sarek's resentment against Spock if diplomacy hadn't been his first and only job -- why would Sarek be so pissed off if his first choice of career was as a scientist, just as his son's? Timby fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Knowing just how emotional Vulcans truly are, if Sarek was a scientist before becoming a diplomat - his resentment towards Spock becomes much more fascinating.
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Gonz posted:Y'know, the Eugenics Wars took place between 1992 and 1996, and resulted in the death of over 30,000,000 people, but Voyager seems to ignore this every time an episode takes place in that decade. Not to defend Voyager, but who loving cares? Totally fine with them retconning the Eugenics wars to have taken place sometime between present day and Star Trek. That way they can make comparisons to present day without their hands being tied by a throwaway line in TOS. The same goes for loving viewscreens in Enterprise. Christ, Goons.
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Wow, had no idea James Cromwell was in TNG before he was Cochrane. Season 3 is great.
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Astroman posted:... A number of prominent officers from TOS should be serving as well, some in lower ranks than we saw them later--Pike, Number One, Spock, Doctors Boyce and Piper, Garth of Izar, future "Commander of Starfleet" Henry Morrow, future Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Marcus from the JJverse, future Commodores like Stone, Mendez, Wesley, Matt Decker. Like it or not, Kirk is an active officer, either in the Academy or on the Farragut depending on the exact year of the show. ... You could definitely get some good backstories of some other characters, too. Captain Ron Tracey might have a deal go bad on him and put him on the path to the events of The Omega Glory. Roger Korby might be the Federation answer to Indiana Jones for an episode or two. Lieutenant Stiles might be attending a lot of funerals..  Devote an episode to the grand opening of a new colony on some little ol' planet on the Fed frontier called Cestus III.. I could also see Paramount exerting some influence and force someone to stick Garth of Izar into one of the first episodes.. Garth will be portrayed as a well meaning-but-bumbling tactical officer just to gently caress with the Axanar tards. Anywhere but a starship's bridge, he is a total fuckup.  No, worse than Barkley. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Garth of Izar should have a full flowing mane of rich space-locks, like his namesake, Garth of Aurora Illinois.
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Kingtheninja posted:Wow, had no idea James Cromwell was in TNG before he was Cochrane. Season 3 is great. There are a lot of "Whoa, it's that person" appearances in TNG beginning with Season 3. Off the top of my head, Harry Groener is Tam Elbrund in Tin Man, Christopher "Shooter McGavin" McDonald in Yesterday's Enterprise, Murdock shows up as Barclay for the first time, and Saul Rubinek was Kivas Fajo.
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Binary Badger posted:You could definitely get some good backstories of some other characters, too. They should show Garth of Izar being awesome and do his whole story just to really gently caress with the Axanar people
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Kingtheninja posted:Wow, had no idea James Cromwell was in TNG before he was Cochrane. Season 3 is great. He's in a DS9 too, playing the risk-averse Gamma quadrant merchant getting ripped off by Quark.
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MikeJF posted:I'm guessing they'll cameo T'Pol as the hand-off. Yep, it was around 2245 so we could see Emony. Not sure how important a gymnast from Trill and a college student from Georgia who's not even pre-med would be to intergalactic politics though, so that would be pure fan service.
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Onwards with Issue 3 of TOS Vol. 2, "Target: Enterprise!" Get some sleep, Klaa. Klaa gets word that Kirk is out and about and promptly abandons Klingon hay rolling. I had no idea what this sequence was referring to as a kid.  Braniacbassador tries to make his diplomacy pitch under heavy firepower. He isn't very good at this.  They regroup and Spock comes to the conclusion that the only reason one side wants peace is because they're at the brink of losing the war on Chronian III. Braniacbassador stays behind to mediate.  Kirk's captain's log recorder seems a bit... off...  He hands it over to Scotty to investigate.  goon_IT_job.png  They check in with Brainiacbassador. It's not going too well. But before they can get him out of there, a Bird of Prey decloaks:  Klaa   What the gently caress Sulu? Those aren't torpedoes. God drat it  Klaa has all power to forward shields, leaving nothing for his flank, peppering Enterprise from an angle while Enterprise returns phaser fire. Kirk figures out if they keep on going like this, they'll lose.  His instructions to helm and the transporter room:  owned  These panels reinforce my suspicion that Kirk, while clever, is actually just constantly winging it out here in the Alpha Quadrant 24/7  Braniacbassador gets beamed back and is in poor shape. Righteous Kirk anger up ahead.  He enlists transporter ensign Tuchinsky in a cunning plan - did he temporarily dye his hair black for a split second?  They beam down and Chekov wastes a fool.  Time for a two-page for this -   Spock initiates the next page with quintessential understated ice-burn.  Kirk is strangely relaxed for someone who is about to get legally/militarily turbofucked. I guess it's same galaxy, different day for him. Issue Fin.  Up Next: The Klingon Ambassador reads a hardcore book! The Captain Addresses the Crew! Sulu Love Triangle! Prelude to Turbofucking! Desparately trying to write over the Scotty-Uhura STV romance! Klingons and Nasguls in agreement! The Federation Rules Consultant appears!
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^^^ Nice job, Pacra! Oh, once again, footnote time.. The transporter officer, Sara Tuchinsky, is based yet again on real-life Sara Tuchinsky who was an editor at Marvel Comics that Peter David worked with. Peter really gets around, huh? I believe David has written other real life folks into his writing, but I'll be damned if I can remember any who weren't female. Whatevs. sbaldrick posted:They should show Garth of Izar being awesome and do his whole story just to really gently caress with the Axanar people No, because Alec Peters already did this and made himself Garth so he could be his own Mary Sue in Prelude to Axanar. If I were Paramount I'd make Garth a drooling knucklehead just to gently caress with his Axanar, that way people will definitely be able to differentiate between 'canon' and 'whatever Alec Peters thinks is the TOS universe.' Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Rewatching Rascals and I had a terrible thought. Keiko is sad because Molly wants her mommy to read her a story, but doesn't recognize her. So I thought, couldn't they go to the holodeck and do an overlay with Keiko's former appearance and voice? Then I involuntarily extrapolated from there to Keiko's other problem and wished I was a better person. Also, lol at Picard fondling his hair.
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Beachcomber posted:Rewatching Rascals and I had a terrible thought. Holodeck teledildonics would be terrifying to contemplate for exactly this reason.
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