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I worded that bit weird but yeah I thought that Mel predicted a win for him and he lost. I forgot that he left her behind too. As far as the fetuses or burning a random nobody, what good is an offering to a god if it means nothing to you?
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I'm glad that folks in this thread are apparently under the impression that small bands of fighters have never meaningfully attacked large armies. 
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A Major Fucker posted:this soudns awesome Yeah
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Thread has turned into the virtual daznak pit, goon turning upon goon with barbed tongues and sarcasm in their pockets
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FooF posted:It's not like we've never seen this trope before:
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^^^^It's also Azor Ahai, the very hero Stannis is meant to embody.Scrree posted:The poo poo thing about Stannis burning Shireen is that while it does make sense for the scenario he's in, the scenario he's in is stupid and obviously written just to force his hand. He's in deep winter despite leaving the Wall in a timely manner, and the snows which blockade his men are easily overcome by Ramsey and his band of twenty ninja pryomancers. Moving an army with siege equipment is harder than moving twenty men familiar with the terrain and hand-picked for a difficult job. Winter's been coming for something like a trillion years, that there's a blizzard now is not completely unreasonable. You're right that it was something of a "perfect storm" set up to give Stannis this desperate choice, but that's not ham-fisted writing - that's just writing. Was what went down in King's Landing with Ned ham-handed, because if Robert had started feeling queasy he'd go home from the hunt early? Or the Twins ham-handed because Robb didn't decide something was off when Grey Wind started barking and sends his men in to check things out?
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Scrree posted:The poo poo thing about Stannis burning Shireen is that while it does make sense for the scenario he's in, the scenario he's in is stupid and obviously written just to force his hand. He's in deep winter despite leaving the Wall in a timely manner, and the snows which blockade his men are easily overcome by Ramsey and his band of twenty ninja pryomancers. Yeah
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Hey so what did Bronn have to do to become free? My dad walked in during that scene and started talking to me.
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rope kid posted:It's also Agamemnon/Iphigenia in Aulis. It's a convention of tragedy that is literally as old as fiction itself.
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sudo rm -rf posted:Hey so what did Bronn have to do to become free? My dad walked in during that scene and started talking to me. Got punched in the face by Areo Correction, elbowed in the face
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Doobie Keebler posted:I worded that bit weird but yeah I thought that Mel predicted a win for him and he lost. I forgot that he left her behind too. As far as the fetuses or burning a random nobody, what good is an offering to a god if it means nothing to you? Gendry seemed to do a lot. Well, Two outta three ain't bad anyways.
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sudo rm -rf posted:Hey so what did Bronn have to do to become free? My dad walked in during that scene and started talking to me. Have the same thing he did to the prince done to him.
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dik-dik posted:I'm glad that folks in this thread are apparently under the impression that small bands of fighters have never meaningfully attacked large armies. It's also happened several times in Game of Thrones itself.
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sudo rm -rf posted:Hey so what did Bronn have to do to become free? My dad walked in during that scene and started talking to me. The prince's bodyguard backhands him in the face
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The true heroes  oh captain my captain
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Is there anything Ramsay can't do? Just make the fucker king at this point. He probably did the raid without a shirt on to make himself even more badass.
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People are right that it's somewhat believable, and at least they addressed it with the "The guards must have fallen asleep or betrayed us", but still- the fact that a spy was able to get in and set the tent on fire and get out unscathed is pretty loving fantastical and the fact that they kept it offscreen is pretty silly.
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Scrree posted:The poo poo thing about Stannis burning Shireen is that while it does make sense for the scenario he's in, the scenario he's in is stupid and obviously written just to force his hand. He's in deep winter despite leaving the Wall in a timely manner, and the snows which blockade his men are easily overcome by Ramsey and his band of twenty ninja pryomancers. It's not about whether or not there's logic behind it. It's the fact there are overwhelming reasons to hate almost everyone except the Starks at this point and they aren't on enough to really hang on to. The show is becoming about Lucy pulling the football away even more-so than GRRM does it and it's getting old when they try to shove the joke into every episode.
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Dolash posted:Moving an army with siege equipment is harder than moving twenty men familiar with the terrain and hand-picked for a difficult job. Winter's been coming for something like a trillion years, that there's a blizzard now is not completely unreasonable. You're right that it was something of a "perfect storm" set up to give Stannis this desperate choice, but that's not ham-fisted writing - that's just writing. Was what went down in King's Landing with Ned ham-handed, because if Robert had started feeling queasy he'd go home from the hunt early? Or the Twins ham-handed because Robb didn't decide something was off when Grey Wind started barking and sends his men in to check things out? It gets a little far-fetched when every time something is going to go right for the "good" guys or something is going to go wrong for the "bad" guys everything lines up into place so it doesn't go down. There's also the problem of advertising the season as "the North remembers" and cutting out the two main plotlines that have the North getting any kind of revenge and then not making up for it in any way. zoux posted:It's also happened several times in Game of Thrones itself. You used an incorrect example in this very thread.
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a cop posted:People are right that it's somewhat believable, and at least they addressed it with the "The guards must have fallen asleep or betrayed us", but still- the fact that a spy was able to get in and set the tent on fire and get out unscathed is pretty loving fantastical and the fact that they kept it offscreen is pretty silly. They didn't even just destroy the food, they didn't even just destroy the siege weapons, they didn't even just kill hundreds of men They did all 3. Without a single casualty.
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Doobie Keebler posted:I worded that bit weird but yeah I thought that Mel predicted a win for him and he lost. I forgot that he left her behind too. As far as the fetuses or burning a random nobody, what good is an offering to a god if it means nothing to you? She gets the right vision but she misinterprets it. Stannis is motivated to kill his brother partly because Mel predicts that Renly will defeat him. quote:Melisandre saw another day in her flames as well. A morrow where Renly rode out of the south in his green armor to smash my host beneath the walls of King's Landing. Had I met my brother there, it might have been me who died in place with him. Where she's actually seeing Garlan Tyrell in Renly's armour.
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tadashi posted:It's not about whether or not there's logic behind it. It's the fact there are overwhelming reasons to hate almost everyone except the Starks at this point and they aren't on enough to really hang on to. The show is becoming about Lucy pulling the football away even more-so than GRRM does it and it's getting old when they try to shove the joke into every episode. Tyrion did nothing wrong!
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tadashi posted:even more-so than GRRM does it
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Midnight City posted:They didn't even just destroy the food, they didn't even just destroy the siege weapons, they didn't even just kill hundreds of men Yeah I can't believe someone had an issue with me using it as an example of Ramsay Bolton's bullshit invincible magic. Mutherfucker got that IDDQD going.
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So now people hate both GRRM as a writer, and the show writers. Time to hand the book and show writing off to goons?
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Midnight City posted:They didn't even just destroy the food, they didn't even just destroy the siege weapons, they didn't even just kill hundreds of men *in dolash's voice* you're an idiot if you don't think 20 men can wreck an army of thousands while theyre sleeping
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I mean truly- imagine the circumstance in which a tent full of food catches fire amidst a war camp without anyone to defend it. There's no way it'd burn more than like 10% of the food before people started hauling boxes out, IF that. You could probably just kick the tent over and most of it would burn itself out in the snow.
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Team White Walkers - Still Undefeated
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null posted:So now people hate both GRRM as a writer, and the show writers. Time to hand the book and show writing off to goons? I vaguely remember the Bad Thread collectively writing an erotic novel together. I think people bought it for actual money.
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GRRM needs twenty good men to help him finish the books.
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Why isnt Stannis squirtin his king seed into tons of whores for a nonstop supply of sacrifices?
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zVxTeflon posted:Why isnt Stannis squirtin his king seed into tons of whores for a nonstop supply of sacrifices? The same reason they haven't sent a single ship to retrieve The Fetuses of Dragonstone
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dik-dik posted:Why not both? It's not like they're running out of fire or anything. I mean, you can bitch and moan all you want, but at the end of the day the fat man wanted to burn the little girl and burn she did. ...because she's his daughter and his only heir? So you'd think he'd be trying to avoid burning her as long as possible rather than shrugging like WHAT THE HELL, THROW HER ON PYRE TOO
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El Hefe posted:*in dolash's voice* you're an idiot if you don't think 20 men can wreck an army of thousands while theyre sleeping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okehazama The ratios are only off by several orders of magnitude! *cough*
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Arrrthritis posted:Gendry seemed to do a lot. Damnit! I'm so close to justifying this to myself. Ok well maybe they only needed a small offering to kill the three "kings". Robb was probably going to die in battle anyway. Joffrey was a constant rear end in a top hat and was going to be killed by someone eventually. And Balon is old and likes to walk on rickety bridges. Or maybe his leech didn't work. There.
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In It For The Tank posted:GRRM needs twenty good men to help him finish the books. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eoHTyICp3g
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Theon is a perennial fuckup and he still managed to take Winterfell with just a handful of men. Jorah's team cut through a small mountain of mooks to take that critical gate in Mereen. Brienne and Catelyn escape Renly's tent from the moment he's murdered despite being the prime suspects. The show and the books are both full of long odds, maybe people are tired of Ramsay's winning streak but if it's any comfort it's probably not going to last much longer.Doobie Keebler posted:Damnit! I'm so close to justifying this to myself. Ok well maybe they only needed a small offering to kill the three "kings". Robb was probably going to die in battle anyway. Joffrey was a constant rear end in a top hat and was going to be killed by someone eventually. And Balon is old and likes to walk on rickety bridges. Or maybe his leech didn't work. There. In the books (and presumably in the show) Melisandre had already seen the kings' deaths in the fire and did the leech thing as pure trickery to convince Stannis that it worked, because she believed burning (Edric Storm/Gendry) actually would work some kind of magic. Admittedly they muddled it in the show where they didn't kill Balon but it's part of what convinced Stannis Melisandre could actually do something with a burned offering of King's Blood. Dolash fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Midnight City posted:they didn't even just kill hundreds of men Speaking of which, where do you find a stunt horse to light on fire
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FourLeaf posted:...because she's his daughter and his only heir? So you'd think he'd be trying to avoid burning her as long as possible rather than shrugging like WHAT THE HELL, THROW HER ON PYRE TOO He doesnt think of her as an heir.
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