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Augus
Mar 9, 2015


HA, Ultra Greed is hilariously awesome. Greed Mode is drat fun, though surprisingly easy to beat for me with only a moderately good item set
I count 9 completion spaces on the character select screen. There were 6 in Rebirth, right? So that's one for Hush, one for Ultra Greed, and I guess one more that we don't know about yet?

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Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.

Power of Pecota posted:

The Guardian challenge is hilarious, what's the name of the sword item?

I'm not sure if the sword itself is an item or unique to that challenge, but there's an almost identical weapon called the Spear of Destiny. It's unlocked from the start.

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008
Well I got totally hosed. Wound up in one of these new small rooms and waiting inside for me were three Chubs. No chance of survival.

(this is a picture of a different run)

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Augus posted:

HA, Ultra Greed is hilariously awesome. Greed Mode is drat fun, though surprisingly easy to beat for me with only a moderately good item set
I count 9 completion spaces on the character select screen. There were 6 in Rebirth, right? So that's one for Hush, one for Ultra Greed, and I guess one more that we don't know about yet?

It might be beating Mega Satan. He could have unlocks now.

Okay, I beat Hush, and was I supposed to unlock the rest of the challenges at once? Also, how do you get endings 17 and 18. Beating Hush didn't count for those, apparently.

buddychrist10
Nov 4, 2009

Obtuse.....even hokey.
Just finished up a Lillith run that was very informative. She can use Epic Fetus like normal and the baby still shoots tears while you aim the missile. Also, Epic Fetus works with Monstros Lung now. It's a bit hard to use, but does huge amounts of damage. Each round of the boss rush fills your sacebar item but it also seems to trigger end of room effects like the Relic droping soul hearts. Additionally, each relic spawned by Lillith's box item can drop soul hearts so there were about 50 of them on the floor by the end of the boss rush.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

KungFu Grip posted:

Well I got totally hosed. Wound up in one of these new small rooms and waiting inside for me were three Chubs. No chance of survival.

(this is a picture of a different run)

Yeah, I also encountered the Chub gently caress closet, but thankfully it didn't end my run. I laughed really hard when it was over, and it gave me a new appreciation for how dangerous those small rooms can be. They're almost like curse rooms in terms of balancing risk/reward. You can't just run around willy nilly anymore in Basement/Caves/Depths.

Mine had 4 chubs, though.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


I fought an Envy in one of those closets with TNT in the corners.
loving revenge! :unsmigghh:

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Oh no, one of the challenges is an escort mission! :stonk: You're a blindfolded Isaac with a sword thing. It's not Mom's Knife. But you have to protect the Issac's Heat familiar. Who is following the Punching Bag, not you.

Einwand
Nov 3, 2012

You idiot.
In this world it's pet or BE pet.

Well final note on that greed mode donation machine. It seems to have capped out at 109 coins, every time I put a coin in it in future runs it just explodes instantly and is back to 109 the next.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Dr. Fetus posted:

What increases the counter? I only got it in Greed Mode, so things were too hectic for me to pay attention to it.

Each enemy that you kill gives you a fly. So something that spawns a ton of weak enemies can be good to just build up a massive reserve of flies.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Well, that's probably the lamest super secret room: A cross shaped floor with retracting spikes and a single turd in it, flooded caves tileset.

King Cohort
Mar 14, 2010

For those wondering what the bottom 3 marks are for on the character select screen: Mega Satan, Greed Mode and Hush. Beating Mega Satan now unlocks co-op babies. Just unlocked the Black Baby by beating him with Azazel.

King Cohort fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Oct 31, 2015

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Oooh, Glass Cannon is actually really rad.

Waffle!
Aug 6, 2004

I Feel Pretty!


I tried Glass Cannon once while re-rolling the Chest. Do you still lose almost all your hearts if you hit something? I just fired randomly to see what it did. Also the Dunce Cap is bullshit. Right now it's Afterbirth's "Experimental Treatment" for me. Touched it once and never again.

King Cohort
Mar 14, 2010

To those wondering if the new womb boss scales to your damage: I just had an Azazel run with Mom's Knife, the new item that gives you X laser rings on every shot, Brimstone, Magic Mushroom, Guppymode and so on. Every enemy and boss in the game died in one attack. All of Mega Satan's phases died instantly.

Hush still took about three minutes for me to kill, and left me at 1 heart from 6. It absolutely must scale to your damage. I can't imagine surviving a bullet hell fight like that for so long as the Lost, but I have Godhead and Ultra Greed beaten as him, so my completionist urges won't let me stop...:negative:

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Waffle! posted:

I tried Glass Cannon once while re-rolling the Chest. Do you still lose almost all your hearts if you hit something? I just fired randomly to see what it did. Also the Dunce Cap is bullshit. Right now it's Afterbirth's "Experimental Treatment" for me. Touched it once and never again.

Glass Cannon drops you to half a red heart when you fire it. However it doesn't deal soul heart damage and you can use it with half a red heart or even only soul hearts.


On a related note, I just beat Ultra Greed. Pretty decent boss fight although a fight against double trouble champion Mega Maws was the most difficult part of the run.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



So, you can play Lilith early if you roll her on a random. Haven't unlocked her but managed to get her by spinning the Wheel of Children.

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.
I saw a lot of hours wasted on the x box one, so question... Will I get the same response after drinking A lotttttttttttttttt of crown

immortalized dumb drunk post

Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Oct 31, 2015

Jibo
May 22, 2007

Bear Witness
College Slice
Fighting Hush as Azazel is about as fun as you might think it is.

Three Hush kills down and I haven't even unlocked It Lives yet.

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.
so no, okay cool

bucksmash
Mar 11, 2002

XXXXXXXXL challenge is pretty loving tedious, but right now I have Dad's Key and the AAA Battery trinket, so I'm skipping every other room. It's making things a bit better.

Makes up for bombing the daily run where I picked up Soy Milk because I wasn't paying attention

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

King Cohort posted:

To those wondering if the new womb boss scales to your damage: I just had an Azazel run with Mom's Knife, the new item that gives you X laser rings on every shot, Brimstone, Magic Mushroom, Guppymode and so on. Every enemy and boss in the game died in one attack. All of Mega Satan's phases died instantly.

Hush still took about three minutes for me to kill, and left me at 1 heart from 6. It absolutely must scale to your damage. I can't imagine surviving a bullet hell fight like that for so long as the Lost, but I have Godhead and Ultra Greed beaten as him, so my completionist urges won't let me stop...:negative:

I had a pretty low damage build as Azazel, and the fight didn't take as long as I expected. In fact, I think the fight took about the same amount of time as other Hush fights I've seen. Maybe damage doesn't matter at all for it. It might be how many times you hit it.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Wheres da online coop at? I got friends in other states that need high fivin.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
If you come across buttons in an I AM ERROR room, be careful about which ones you press. :gonk:

Einwand
Nov 3, 2012

You idiot.
In this world it's pet or BE pet.

Well having just had the most game breaking run possible in greed mode, I've come to the conclusion that the new super bosses cheat like hell.
Nearly every single damage up in the game + brimstone + guppy + tammy's head and it still took about the same amount of time as all my other runs have.
Atleast I got Lost's greed mode out of the way, now to figure out what the hell "the zodiac" does.

Van Kraken
Feb 13, 2012



One down, 11 to go. The Hush seems to have a crazy amount of health. I really hope it does scale to your damage.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



So, thanks to me getting Lillith when choosing random DESPITE ME NOT UNLOCKING HER, I just had one of the most brutal Boss Rushes I've ever witnessed. Sworn Protector + Dead Bird + Lil' Haunt + Box of Friends = me going through the new boss rush like a chainsaw through butter.

So, yeah, I've unlocked Immaculate Conception without even touching Azazel on this save, or Greed Mode ever. I'll take it.

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe
Hoo boy. I've gotten a few plays in and haven't finished anything yet.

3 Mom items = Mom transformation, which gives you a knife dragged behind you.

Chaos! rearranges the item pools, maybe shuffling them all together. I'm getting Angel & Devil Room items from bosses and items from all pools in shops.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Any tips on using Azazel in Greed Mode? I haven't had much trouble as Isaac, but Azazel's short range is really killing me here.

logger
Jun 28, 2008

...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.
Soiled Meat
I just had two successful greed mode runs in a row with Eve and Sampson getting an attack fly type item and gnawed leaf. It was super cheesy but it allowed me to save my coins since I didn't need to upgrade my tears at all.

Earlier I got a Bob transformation by getting Bob's rotten head, Bob's curse and Bob's brain. It gave a green trail following you like if you had anemia.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Oh yeah, they fixed the Dr. Fetus bug. It dealt way too low damage before (3 * Damage). Now it deals the proper amount, ((3 * Damage) + 50.) So it's a good item again. Finally.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:
Greed Mode is super weird right now and I look forward to balance changes. Getting IV Bag, ever, with any character except Blue Baby pretty much breaks it. You can always buy red hearts for 3 cents, and you're nearly guaranteed to get 3+ cents on every 2 plays of the IV Bag. So with just a slight amount of patience you can end up re-rolling the shop to get items that synergize with IV Bag like Swallowed Penny, Fanny Pack, Counterfeit Penny, etc. It took me about 45 minutes for the run total, but I killed Ultra Greed in 3 shots.

So basically if you ever encounter a Blood Machine in Greed Mode you are nearly guaranteed a win. This reminds me of when Rebirth first came out and Krampus' Head was an I Win button. Playing through from the beginning again with all the balance changes they made over the past year was really fun, and I'll probably end up resetting my save again once Afterbirth gets a bunch of balance changes. poo poo's wacky right now.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Oct 31, 2015

That Which Squeaks
Aug 28, 2006

"Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you."
-Bill Belichick
Started playing Isaac again a few weeks ago half in preparation, half because I just wanted to play again. Didn't think about it the past few days, so it was totally rad when I sat down at my computer and realized Afterbirth was already out.

I've stayed mostly spoiler free so I was excited to run into a shop with 2 items I had never seen before. First one I picked up said "Double Item Vision" and I was like cool, I'll use, and then this happened.



I am excited, haven't even picked up the battery thing yet.

That Which Squeaks fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Oct 31, 2015

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy
Is it pronounced Lilith, or Lilith, or is it more like Lilith? I swear these streamers are doing it wrong but I can't prove it. But their way sounds stupid. But maybe that's because the correct pronunciation sounds stupid.

I really want someone to figure out how to unlock box of friends. Lilith doesn't have much going for her without that.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Dr. Fetus posted:

Any tips on using Azazel in Greed Mode? I haven't had much trouble as Isaac, but Azazel's short range is really killing me here.

Pray you get a weapon that changes his attack.

I got moms knife my first time doing greed on the basement tile set, smooth sailing past that.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Ragnar34 posted:

Is it pronounced Lilith, or Lilith, or is it more like Lilith? I swear these streamers are doing it wrong but I can't prove it. But their way sounds stupid. But maybe that's because the correct pronunciation sounds stupid.

I really want someone to figure out how to unlock box of friends. Lilith doesn't have much going for her without that.

Update your game. She's supposed to start with it, but a bug earlier made it not the case.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:



Lilith in Greed mode is so nuts

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Dr. Fetus posted:

Update your game. She's supposed to start with it, but a bug earlier made it not the case.

:aaa: That would have made doing her unlocks a lot easier. I'm an idiot.

NO LISTEN TO ME
Jan 3, 2009

「プリスティンビート」
「Pristine Beat」
Hey is Ending 17 broken?

I've heard that you have to beat the Hush without taking either the polaroid or negative during the Mom fight, but I just did and the same sheol and cathedral opened up anyway. Am I doing something wrong or is it just busted?

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Hyphen-ated
Apr 24, 2006
Not to be confused with endash or minus.
I just did speedruns for 8 hours. this game is really really good

For anyone else who's an unlock-hater like me, here's a cheated save file with all items unlocked http://www.speedrun.com/isaacrebirth/resources

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