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azure's main plot is dumb but it's not a whole lot dumber than sky's was and the character writing is about as good as zero. it's basically the same type of, all of the political stuff people like to hype up not actually being that important and more serving as a vehicle for setting up the wacky big shonen adventures
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Where would I go if I wanted a story that was YIIK/Zestiria offensive?
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Ace Transmuter posted:Regalia of Men and Monarchs is dirt cheap on Switch eShop right now, what's the general consensus on it? Definitely don't get the Switch port, load times are dire as all hell.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Where would I go if I wanted a story that was YIIK/Zestiria offensive? yakuza 4
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The Colonel posted:yakuza 4 I don't recall anything as being in poor taste to the same degree as the secret Koreans in Kiwami 2.
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infraboy posted:So is Star Ocean 6 good? I haven't played any of them although I think I own some PS2 game with the title somewhere. quote:Star Ocean: The Divine Force Isn’t Terrible—And That’s Good Enough Inspector Gesicht posted:Where would I go if I wanted a story that was YIIK/Zestiria offensive? Maaaaybe White Knight Chronicles, judging by the LP. Check out some Warlockracy spotlights of eastern european videogames for some absolutely wild RPG plots. Maybe start here: Planet Alcatraz (what if Vlad Putin made an RPG?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8
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Got trails in the sky fc on the go, early stages but like the writing. Not sure about the combat yet (does it get more engaging after the first 3 hours? Worried tactics ogre will completely dwarf it when it comes out on Friday for that reason. (Never played it before and quite excited)
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Where would I go if I wanted a story that was YIIK/Zestiria offensive?
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i'd say planet alcatraz is an unfair comparison but on thinking on it i wouldn't even group zestiria in with yiik. zestiria's not offensive because of any views or associations held by the writers or anything, it's just a rushed and unfinished game and unfortunately the parts that suffer for it are anything that could give it one ounce of narrative coherency planet alcatraz is just actually written by a weird big name russian guy and developed by people who think everything in it is funny. it has more in common with the fallout stalker mod warlockracy also reviewed that, also turns all of stalker's cast into angry misogynists who murder women on sight and carry portraits of putin
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Zereth posted:why would you want that They make the best LP threads.
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Zereth posted:why would you want that some people just want to experience mental pain every once in a while alternate answer: they've played too many good games recently, gotta balance it out
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The Colonel posted:i'd say planet alcatraz is an unfair comparison but on thinking on it i wouldn't even group zestiria in with yiik. zestiria's not offensive because of any views or associations held by the writers or anything, it's just a rushed and unfinished game and unfortunately the parts that suffer for it are anything that could give it one ounce of narrative coherency Yeah, I am definitely weighing Zestiria and Yiik stories in different weight classes as far as overall horribleness goes. Yiik feels like it edges into "potentially genuinely harmful" territory, and it is surprisingly challenging finding RPG stories on that level. I think I hazily remember an LP thread of a really wretched misogynistic RPG Maker game, but I cannot remember the title... wait, this isn't that game, but it definitely qualifies. Anonymous Agony: An Extra Edgy Adventure Game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn1rsvwkQLc
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anonymous agony is bizarre but it feels like the author genuinely working through something and also as a rando rpgmaker game its reach is really small, i also wouldnt call it harmful/bad (morally)
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i wouldn't really call any video game story actually harmful. yiik is, horrible, but also has an insanely complicated history that basically no random person unconnected to the devs has any hope of unpacking and ultimately just came out to be mocked and had no real reach beyond that, and planet alcatraz is kind of just the product of an insane and insular russian subculture. it's hard to say it's affecting anyone so much as it is reflecting views that do exist somewhere in the world that are only going to resonate over here with people you aren't likely to want to interact with in the first place. the only way any of these stories could harm someone is if you were forced to experience them at gunpoint, which i guess a lot of people do in fact do to themselves for some reason but that's beside the point i guess you could say super seducer is harmful but i'm not sure about the story part it's more for its framing as a real-life reference material for pick up artists, kind of a different situation The Colonel fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Nov 8, 2022 |
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The Colonel posted:yakuza 4 if it's about how much of a complete mess of incomprehensible motivations the plot is, then you're right (but it's still pretty alright if you ask me)
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the only ones id call harmful are the literal like, kkk and gaybashing games that pop up on steam, and very occasionally get deleted by steam, but those games also dont really have elaborate plots and werent really made with the goal of being entertaining video games
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someone could potentially play yakuza 4 and think it's fun to get shot by rubber bullets so its harmful
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i am going to do a limit break move on the first person to mention jaws
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Amppelix posted:i take offense to this if it's about the rubber bullets i do hate the rubber bullets because they completely rob half of the plot of any stakes or meaning but also everything they do with kiryu i hate more and think it robs him of everything interesting he got across the previous three games. sort of in 2. he kind of got some development in yakuza 2, almost. sort of. akiyama's also just insanely boring and a lot of my initial patience with his shittier aspects wore down as i realized his arc just kind of sucks and it's, completely insane, how much they hype up the relationship between saejima and majima/his sister, and then he gets maybe five minutes to interact with both of them before having his entire character reset to something incredibly boring
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like it's not just that yakuza 4 has dumb twists that makes me hate it. it's, specifically the fact that the entire front half of the game is it presenting interesting ideas, and then all of the dumb twists exist so it can pretend all of its interesting ideas never existed and reset everyone back to their initial roles, it has one of the worst endings i've ever seen in a video game, its core thesis after presenting two dozen reasons why the yakuza is bad is that we should go back to the tojo clan cause the tojo clan needs our help!!!
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before yakuza 0, Yakuza had a reputation as one of those "you dont really play it for the main story" series and there's a reason for that
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i think the main plots are fine outside of 4 tbh
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i legitimately could not tell you anything that happens in 5. i actually like 2 a lot, korean mob aside
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yakuza 2's main plot is pretty bad outside of some specific scenes that everyone remembers so if yakuza 4 was just coming off that i probably wouldn't care about it as much. it's the fact that it's coming off yakuza 3 and, yakuza 3 has some problems, but it just kind of stands head and shoulders over 2 and 4 in terms of developing kiryu and throwing him into more interesting situations than just the next adventure to go Save The Tojo Clan, so it feels like falling back face first into the mud for 4 to be as bad as it is coming off that
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The Colonel posted:i wouldn't really call any video game story actually harmful. i grew up watching people run over sex workers in grand theft auto games because they drop more cash
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avoraciopoctules posted:Maaaaybe White Knight Chronicles, judging by the LP. White Knight Chronicles is my favorite PlayStation 3 game! Xenoblade Chronicles 3 replaces it for me though (the two games have a lot of similarities), but there's no other JRPG that quite has the style and unique gameplay of WKC. I really wish it would get remastered for modern consoles.
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yeah i think i mostly appreciate 4 for introducing saejima and how cool his part is and that's the one thing i'll go to bat for, the rubber bullets do not ruin saejima's plot like almost everyone seems to think they do! it's more, all the other stuff. that you already mentioned.
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i like akiyama and instead of attempting to justify his absurd plot i will point to him winning several character popularity polls over Kiryu
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The Colonel posted:i wouldn't really call any video game story actually harmful. yiik is, horrible, but also has an insanely complicated history that basically no random person unconnected to the devs has any hope of unpacking and ultimately just came out to be mocked and had no real reach beyond that, and planet alcatraz is kind of just the product of an insane and insular russian subculture. it's hard to say it's affecting anyone so much as it is reflecting views that do exist somewhere in the world that are only going to resonate over here with people you aren't likely to want to interact with in the first place. the only way any of these stories could harm someone is if you were forced to experience them at gunpoint, which i guess a lot of people do in fact do to themselves for some reason but that's beside the point The question of whether a story is potentially harmful can be a pretty nuanced one. Certainly, I don't think I'm going to be advocating for banning any books. At the same time, if I think that speculative fiction has the potential to make the world a better place, I think that I will also have to accept that it has the potential to make the world a worse place. Sometimes, it's pretty easy for people to be harmed. Different people can have different reactions to a text. For me, a "potentially harmful" story is anything that I might want to throw in a disclaimer or trigger warning for if I recommended it to someone. There's definitely some wiggle room there, but I know some people who would really rather avoid getting surprised by stories of parental abuse, detailed violence, or significant amounts of racism/sexism. And of course, gacha games I would almost always classify as potentially harmful because of their predatory business model, but that's outside the scope of a question about the story alone. If I knew I was recommending a game to someone with arachnophobia, Grounded and Terraria would be potentially harmful games. Thankfully, both of those have either mods or in-game options to help people who have very real issues with Surprise Spiders. But that's rare enough that I wouldn't usually take it into account unless it came up during the reference interview.
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avoraciopoctules posted:For me, a "potentially harmful" story is anything that I might want to throw in a disclaimer or trigger warning for if I recommended it to someone. There's definitely some wiggle room there, but I know some people who would really rather avoid getting surprised by stories of parental abuse, detailed violence, or significant amounts of racism/sexism.
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Amppelix posted:yeah i think i mostly appreciate 4 for introducing saejima and how cool his part is idk they ruin like. literally his entire thing about having trauma and regret over what he did. it explicitly turns that whole aspect of his character into basically a lame joke cause it's just like oh i guess he just. has no reason to feel bad about this now. he's still a fun character personality-wise and his scenario is well-written in the moment but he's robbed of any further room for exploration of being a well-meaning but overly traditional guy who, actually legitimately has killed some people only for his actions to have the consequence of doing nothing but hurting everyone he cares about, all so they can set up two bad guys who barely matter or have a personality and justify him rejoining the tojo clan you can make an argument that he still has the feel the guilt of being manipulated into this position but he'd feel that without having rubber bullets tossed into the mix, they just make the villains look stupider while making it easier to write out story consequences for anything
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i legitimately could not tell you anything that happens in 5. i actually like 2 a lot, korean mob aside 5s story rules.
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that said the lack of any sense of real connection between him and majima or his sister is probably the worse part. they sorta give him his moment with majima but there's so little of them interacting that it does a poor job actually selling them as being friends and literally his entire reuniting with his sister happens off screen, it's insane. those should be opportunities to make saejima's personal life feel more like, a present part of his character, which could smooth over those issues, but uh they just kind of don't do that
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i feel like going "well he didn't really kill those guys so his guilt was meaningless" misses the point. like, the guys died anyway 2 minutes later. he effectively killed everyone in that room. if he hadn't, the stupid plot wouldn't have worked and nobody would have died. and also regardless of how "real" the murders ended up being he is still absolutely a man who decided he was going to kill 18 people and proceeded to do so in cold blood they don't even attempt to use the twist within the story to "absolve" saejima of the murders or whatever. it's just very unfortunately placed so that it's easy to get the impression that's what they're doing, but they really aren't. nobody ever even brings that angle up it's definitely not a good twist, it's another one on the pile of pointless plot devices in yakuza 4, but it doesn't at all touch saejima imo
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idk the literal only reason for the twist to exist at all is, so they can avoid having saejima be the one yakuza protag who's literally killed people. like there's just ultimately no other purpose to the twist's existence other than using it to remove the part where he's wanted for murdering a ton of people so he can avoid being a criminal and rejoin the yakuza, regardless of how you view it the twist is used to reach an end point to his arc that's directly at odds with what his scenario was conveying it's, again, maybe something i could be more forgiving of if. the literal end point of his character arc, about how killing people for the yakuza ruined his life, including the life of the person in the yakuza that he respected, wasn't that he should rejoin the yakuza. the only reason yakuza 4 ends this way is because a guy told them they should rejoin the yakuza because the yakuza needs men like us. a guy who, murdered a chinese restaurant order with a remote detonated bomb The Colonel fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Nov 8, 2022 |
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the truth is that jack thompson has traumatized gamers too much where you just can't have this conversation with them
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Amppelix posted:i feel like going "well he didn't really kill those guys so his guilt was meaningless" misses the point. like, the guys died anyway 2 minutes later. he effectively killed everyone in that room. if he hadn't, the stupid plot wouldn't have worked and nobody would have died. and also regardless of how "real" the murders ended up being he is still absolutely a man who decided he was going to kill 18 people and proceeded to do so in cold blood
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you cant be in the yakuza and kill people. thats illegal
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