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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

blowfish posted:

1) Even after accounting for Stanford being full of privileged upper middle class kids, it's likely an above-average proportion of Stanford compsci grads will meet minimum standards for warm programmer bodies in seats, compared to e.g. University of Phoenix Online compsci Information Technology with a Concentration in Software Engineering grads.

2) If you're already at the point of arbitrarily limiting the applicant pool because you're swamped with sufficiently qualified people, why not arbitrarily limit it in a way that emphasises how much of an in-demand employer you are (see, we don't just take any compsci grads, we only take ~elite Stanford compsci grads~ :agesilaus:).

A for-profit online school is completely different from a generic state university meeting minimum standards. When all you need is another guy to work on your Burp And Fart Piano app, you don't need some guy who did high-end research with a master of modern computer science or whatever, you need a guy who can just avoid compiler errors.

Yeah but that's not actually relevant, because again you're a company just putting out bare minimum code for bare minimum programs, so no one's going to take you seriously just because you only hire (the bottom 10% of) Stanford CS grads.

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eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Steve French posted:

I went to a top 10 university and my need based financial aid grant was more than tuition. I do feel like I had a fairly privileged upbringing in many ways, but my parents were not wealthy (nor were we poor)

It's not always price that keeps people out of the top schools.

You're more likely to be accepted to a top school if you go to a rich suburban public school with lots of targeted extracurricular activities and a full complement of AP classes than if you go to a poor rural or city public school with only a few sports and a couple AP classes available. And since most US school funding comes from property taxes…

This is a reason why some states have automatic acceptance to state universities and colleges of students in some top bracket of their high school class: They might never have the opportunity otherwise based on private college & university admissions trends.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Steve French posted:

I went to a top 10 university and my need based financial aid grant was more than tuition. I do feel like I had a fairly privileged upbringing in many ways, but my parents were not wealthy (nor were we poor)

I went to a top 10 university and my parents were neither wealthy nor poor, but they did save for college for me. We were told there would be no aid until we were out of money and then it would likely be loans.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


blowfish posted:

1) Even after accounting for Stanford being full of privileged upper middle class kids, it's likely an above-average proportion of Stanford compsci grads will meet minimum standards for warm programmer bodies in seats, compared to e.g. University of Phoenix Online compsci Information Technology with a Concentration in Software Engineering grads.

2) If you're already at the point of arbitrarily limiting the applicant pool because you're swamped with sufficiently qualified people, why not arbitrarily limit it in a way that emphasises how much of an in-demand employer you are (see, we don't just take any compsci grads, we only take ~elite Stanford compsci grads~ :agesilaus:).

I thought there was a developer shortage which is why pay and benefits are so high? Also, there is a massive difference between the type of state school that person said and loving University of Phoenix don't be so elitist.

Dongsturm
Feb 17, 2012

Senor Dog posted:

I thought there was a developer shortage which is why pay and benefits are so high? Also, there is a massive difference between the type of state school that person said and loving University of Phoenix don't be so elitist.

There's a severe shortage of developers who are happy to work for the same wage as a Mcdonalds worker. Otherwise, there are plenty to go around.

And outside of America no one knows about the top 10 so move to Europe and enjoy the good life with decent pay.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Getting dunked on by NDT is a rough burn

https://twitter.com/DrNeilTyson/status/894899916316725248

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

eschaton posted:

It's not always price that keeps people out of the top schools.

You're more likely to be accepted to a top school if you go to a rich suburban public school with lots of targeted extracurricular activities and a full complement of AP classes than if you go to a poor rural or city public school with only a few sports and a couple AP classes available. And since most US school funding comes from property taxes…

This is a reason why some states have automatic acceptance to state universities and colleges of students in some top bracket of their high school class: They might never have the opportunity otherwise based on private college & university admissions trends.

I agree with this entirely and it (plus the cost of lower tier schools) should be what we focus on not whether poor kids who actually manage to get admitted to the top school can afford it, they generally can.
I do wish the affordability of top schools was more common knowledge. I had lowish income friends (generally first in family to go to college) who didn't bother to apply to the top schools, even though they might have been able to get in, because they thought they never could have afforded it.
They went to CSU and did fine, but almost certainly emerged with more debt and less connections than if they gone to stanford.

Maera Sior
Jan 5, 2012


That's not actually him.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

that's not actually ndt

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Jesus, is twitter all fake Russian bot accounts or what?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

cowofwar posted:

Jesus, is twitter all fake Russian bot accounts or what?

worse, it's full of people who don't think twitter is super dumb

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


This is going to be way tl;dr; sorry. Copy-pasted because I expect this to be deleted within minutes. $60K a year in SF, no benefits, for an on-call 24/7 personal assistant.
From SF Craigslist:

quote:

Personal Assistant MUST LOVE DOGS - PT/FT, $25-$30/hr (SOMA / south beach) hide this posting

© craigslist - Map data © OpenStreetMap
2 S Park St
(google map)

compensation: $25-$30/hr, depending on experience
employment type: employee's choice
---Interviewing daily---

Hi and thx for visiting.

We're two 30-something executives living in the city with a sweet medium-sized, hypoallergenic dog. Work is crazier than ever which means that we don't have time to maintain our personal lives. We've finally accepted that we need a full-time (or part-time) personal assistant.

THE PROBLEM:
----------------------

We're resorting to unhealthy take-out and processed foods -- anything we can grab and munch on in-between working on our computers, we aren't getting enough sleep (8 hrs/night is a must but rarely achieved), that very cute dog I mentioned doesn't have someone to play with daily, personal social media accounts are neglected, I buy fresh flowers but don't have time to trim daily and change the water, indoor plants are dying, vacations and fun trips aren't taken because there's no time to plan them, dirty laundry is neglected until we run out of clean clothes to wear, merchandise that should be returned doesn't get returned, phone calls to customer support don't get made, prescriptions aren't refilled, instead of dry cleaning something it will just never be worn again, pants that are too long never get hemmed, that cute dog doesn't get taught new tricks or get his coat brushed out as often as it needs to be, things that we're meaning to order don't get ordered, items slated for donation sit in a corner for months, groceries aren't put away into the cabinet, the sink is eternally filled with soaking dishes/pots/pans, picture frames hang on the wall with no photos inside, the closet is in need of reorganization, appointments aren't scheduled, information isn't updated, nail polish gets chipped and remains chipped, investment opportunities go un-researched, and that crucial"date night" consists of collapsing onto the sofa and watching a movie because we're so exhausted from the work week.

Does the idea of helping us to go from zero to hero in all of the above areas make you smile OR cringe?

For the cringers, feel free to exit now :) Good luck with your search!

For the smilers, you're making me so happy. I know that you're going to help us so much.

THE SOLUTION:
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Our ideal full-time (or part-time) personal assistant is chill but also gets sh*t done.

Ideally, you have experience being a personal assistant for a CXO in the past (and you really liked it).

You aren't dramatic or tightly wound, however, you're also not lazy or sloth-like (nothing against sloths). You're level-headed and your friends think you have great judgment. You're down to earth, not cocky, humble, and always willing to admit when you're wrong. You aren't too stubborn to apologize. You don't get defensive and deflect. You own your mistakes and see them as opportunities to improve. You have confidence in yourself and although you are very empathetic, you rarely get overwhelmed by your emotions. You aren't dramatic and you aren't having regular melt-downs. You're warm, welcoming, and always down for a good time. You take pride in your work quality (no matter what it is -- big or small) and believe everything you create is a reflection of you and your character/abilities so you want it to be good. You notice inefficiencies and tend to find ways to save time, streamline, or automate where you can. You're observant and detail-oriented. You always know where your keys are or where your wallet is because you make it a point to place them in the same place. You have a great memory and rarely have to say "Oh, I forgot." You believe that there's a place for everything and everything should be in its place. You're naturally organized and clean. You don't like messiness. You feel compelled to straighten items if they're crooked. Aesthetics, design, and beauty in life are things that you notice and appreciate. It genuinely makes you happy to help others and make others smile. You find it rewarding to do things for others. (If you don't feel this way, you will either hate this role or it will be awkward for us because you won't seem happy.) Your friends think that you're the one in your group who has their act together the most in terms of being responsible, responsive, and risk-averse. You take pride in working smart vs. working hard. You do things well AND you do it as quickly as possible. You consistently strive for both quality and speed. You like to laugh and your friends think you can be funny. You smile and/or laugh when you tell a joke or say something humorous (dry senses of humor need not apply)! You care about visual presentation and delivery of your words. You enjoy making things look nice. You enjoy making things smell nice. You have a kind heart and try to not be selfish. You are generous with your attention and love. You are a strong communicator and can tell an engaging story. If something needs to get done, you find a way. You're very comfortable with technology and devices. You use your smartphone all the time. You use your laptop all the time. Google is your best friend. You take pride in how you look -- whatever that "look" or style may be for you. At the same time, you also want to be practical and functional (e.g., you're "bohemian chic" but avoid the giant wedges that will prevent you from hustling around town, you're "cool hipster" but don't wear the super tight jeans that won't leave you room in your pockets to hold my dog's potty bags, you're totally "minimalistic modern" but avoid the white on white look so you're not afraid to get dirty when cooking, etc.)

REQUIRED HOURS:
----------------------

Location = SoMa
Commitment = on-call 24/7 for emergencies/urgent/important matters
Hours = Approximately 40 hrs/wk (mostly during the workweek)

TYPICAL SCHEDULE:
----------------------

Mon - Fri
- 10am - 11am = dog time (feeding, brushing, walking, washing, play with, teach tricks, take photos)
- 11am - 12pm = cleaning home (dishes, laundry, vacuum, dusting, wiping down countertops, clean up rare dog accident, etc.)
- 12pm - 1pm = improving look, ambiance & functionality of home (reorganizing cabinets, refreshing flowers, etc.)
- 1pm - 3pm = run errands (dry cleaning, tailor, groceries, clothes shopping, dog store, picking up Rx, stop by the office, etc.)
- 3 pm - 6 pm = on your computer/phone (investment research, post on our social media for us, planning a trip, ordering things online, scheduling an appointment, organizing receipts & other bookkeeping, taking notes while listening in on a meeting or call, cooking us dinner, food prep for the dog, book us dinner reservations or schedule our "date nights", etc.)

Sat or Sun
- Take the dog to the beach before dropping him off at the dog groomer for a wash and blow out
- Sometimes you may need to help us with something over the weekend

REQUIREMENTS:
----------------------

* Written and spoken English language FLUENCY
* Able to maintain strict confidentiality
* No smokers (cigarettes, marijuana, other)
* No heavy drinkers (max of 5 drinks per week)
* No drug users
* No past criminal record
* Must love dogs and animals
* Valid drivers license (car will be provided if necessary for work) with experience driving in SF
* Experience with GSuite, MSOffice, Adobe Suite
* Experience with MacOS and iOS (computer and phone will be provided)
* Touch typing 60+ WPM
* Prior experience as dog owner
* No injuries or physical constraints that would impede your ability to rearrange furniture, lift a 40 lb dog up several flights of stairs, carry heavy grocery bags or luggage, etc.
* Able to swim well in the ocean (dog likes swimming; you may need to get him when he goes out too far)
* Able to protect a dog from being attacked by another dog
* Willing and happy to clean up occasional dog vomit and/or diarrhea

BONUS POINTS:
----------------------

* Multilingual
* Experience as a personal/executive assistant
* Experience with a high-maintenance dog (long haired, allergies, etc.)
* Experience with long hair in general (you have long hair and know how to brush tangled hair without causing pain)
* You are a great cook and know how to make both rich, savory vs. lean, healthy meals
* Enjoy giving manicures/pedicures
* Well-traveled
* Experience in high-end/luxury retail or hospitality industry
* Good eye for design and style
* Prior experience reviewing and negotiating contracts
* Prior experience with home redesign, remodel, contractor management
* Physically strong
* Lift weights and/or tone as exercise
* Practiced in self defense or fighting styles (you can protect someone who is in danger)
* You like fashion
* You watch GoT and/or Silicon Valley
* Former or current aquarium owner (know how to set up a tank and create an ecosystem)

RULES TO APPLY:
----------------------

1. Submit an email with the subject line: "[INSERT YOUR FULL NAME] + [INSERT YOUR WORST QUALITY]." We're confirming that you read the job description thoroughly, as well as breaking the ice by seeing if you're aware of how you're not perfect :p No one is so feel free to be candid :) If you don't follow that formula for the subject line, your email won't be opened.

2. With your computer webcam or handheld smartphone, record and attach a 5 min video of you answering ALL of the following: What did you like about this posting? Confirm if this posting applies to you 100% (including personality description, qualifications, schedule, responsibilities, etc.). Tell us in what way(s) you're not ideal for us (be transparent, no one is perfect and that's okay, bonus points for honesty). Have you been a personal assistant before? For who? What was a typical day? Why can you be trusted to care for a dog? Can you cook us delicious food? What else should we know about you?

3. In your email response, include these 4 social media profiles if you have them (LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram) so we can confirm your identity. Also, tell us where you live, how long would it take you to get to SoMa? Do you have a car? If so, what make, model and condition?


WARNING:
----------------------

If you don't follow #1 - 3 then you won't be considered for an interview.


THX FOR READING & WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU :

XOXO
Doodle Lovers
Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
do NOT contact us with unsolicited services or offers
post id: 6256376954 posted: about 11 hours ago updated: about 10 hours ago

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
"And for your first meal, here is a bowl of dog food."

Significant Ant
Jun 14, 2017

by R. Guyovich
Look who wants to sue for getting fired. Any chance this will get laughed out of court?

Significant Ant fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Aug 9, 2017

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Significant Ant posted:

Looks who wants to sue for getting fired. Any chance this will get laughed out of court?

99% chance. the stated reason google gave for firing the guy is that he created a hostile work environment contrary to the code of conduct. it doesn't matter what other excuses he comes up with. he's trying to chessmaster his way out of this by filing CYA complaints with the NLRB but since google didn't fire him for his political beliefs but rather his actions (writing down on paper how much he dislikes his female coworkers) it won't stand up in court

also lol that he's complaining about being misrepresented when his angry rant was widely published. can't backpedal your way out of this one bro, you hosed up bigly

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Google also clearly took their time to have their legal team go over everything necessary before firing him to make things airtight, otherwise he'd have been out on Friday if not earlier when the rant was still largely internal to Google.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

Arsenic Lupin posted:

This is going to be way tl;dr; sorry. Copy-pasted because I expect this to be deleted within minutes. $60K a year in SF, no benefits, for an on-call 24/7 personal assistant.
From SF Craigslist:

I kept thinking I'd read enough but god it's so worth reading the entire thing. Jesus loving Christ.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

boner confessor posted:

99% chance. the stated reason google gave for firing the guy is that he created a hostile work environment contrary to the code of conduct. it doesn't matter what other excuses he comes up with. he's trying to chessmaster his way out of this by filing CYA complaints with the NLRB but since google didn't fire him for his political beliefs but rather his actions (writing down on paper how much he dislikes his female coworkers) it won't stand up in court

also lol that he's complaining about being misrepresented when his angry rant was widely published. can't backpedal your way out of this one bro, you hosed up bigly

I'll have you know he was a child chess champion :colbert:

But yeah this is gonna go absolutely nowhere
Also wow that site is absolutely insufferable, here's another article

quote:

It turns out that Google's culture of mass virtue-signaling and diversity campaigns has done absolutely nothing to curb its hiring discrepancies ... even after spending a whopping $265 million.

According to a report by Axios, Google has spent $265 million since 2014 to create stronger diversity initiatives and detailed analytics on their hiring demographics to curtail what some perceived as a gender gap in Silicon Valley. This initiative became so nauseating it led one of their employees to publish a 10-page memo suggesting that perhaps, maybe just perhaps, the gender gap had something do with biological differences.

:jerkbag:

aware of dog fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Aug 9, 2017

Significant Ant
Jun 14, 2017

by R. Guyovich

boner confessor posted:

also lol that he's complaining about being misrepresented when his angry rant was widely published. can't backpedal your way out of this one bro, you hosed up bigly

Isn’t his Master’s degree basically worthless without a PhD as well?

also lol everyone in the Bay Area (except maybe Uber) will blacklist him and refuse to hire

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Significant Ant posted:

Isn’t his Master’s degree basically worthless without a PhD as well?

also lol everyone in the Bay Area (except maybe Uber) will blacklist him and refuse to hire

not at all, you really only need a phd if you plan on going into academia in some form or shooting for the highest echelons of your career, but you can do that at age 25 or age 45. academic credentials don't really matter once you've got work experience. a masters is a great ticket to a career in programming

...a career which he just shot dead for being a stubborn dumbass. it doesn't matter what kind of credentials or experience you have if you have "WALKING LAWSUIT" branded on your resume

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Papercut posted:

I kept thinking I'd read enough but god it's so worth reading the entire thing. Jesus loving Christ.

Embedded somewhere in that text is the requirement that the applicant must be a woman whose looks be up to their high standards and willing to sleep with the person that posted the ad.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The Trump campaign had some really good analytics teams, he could do that stuff probably.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

boner confessor posted:

not at all, you really only need a phd if you plan on going into academia in some form or shooting for the highest echelons of your career, but you can do that at age 25 or age 45. academic credentials don't really matter once you've got work experience. a masters is a great ticket to a career in programming

...a career which he just shot dead for being a stubborn dumbass. it doesn't matter what kind of credentials or experience you have if you have "WALKING LAWSUIT" branded on your resume

I'm not sure a non-CS Masters gives him that much over a BA tbh, and even that doesn't matter after getting your first job. Til you publicly gently caress it up ofc.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Star Man posted:

Embedded somewhere in that text is the requirement that the applicant must be a woman whose looks be up to their high standards and willing to sleep with the person that posted the ad.

i was a total shoe-in until i got to the part about being able to defend a dog from another dog's attacks

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

boner confessor posted:

i was a total shoe-in until i got to the part about being able to defend a dog from another dog's attacks

I bet the entire fridge is stocked with mixed varieties of Soylent and dead PAs.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Star Man posted:

Embedded somewhere in that text is the requirement that the applicant must be a woman whose looks be up to their high standards and willing to sleep with the person that posted the ad.

If prostitution were legal, would that ad read "Wanted: live-in sexworker (and occasional helper/assistant)"?

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Arsenic Lupin posted:

"about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year." Graduating $48K in debt is a significant burden for a lot of people.

This includes room and board, which are semi-fixed costs assuming you don't have a college near where your parents live.
It doesn't include the opportunity to get reasonably well paying internships during the summer, which is much easier when you go to Harvard than State U
And finally, it's an average of $12000 across everyone who receives any need-based aid, from people whose parents make $0 to people whose parents make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. The typical out-of-pocket costs for someone not in the top 10% of families by income are lower still.

Arsenic Lupin posted:

If I'm a middle-class kid too poor to pay $48K in cash and too rich to get a full ride, that's pie in the sky.

You must have some weird conception of what the middle class is, because at these schools:
- someone whose parents make $65k/year combined a year contribute 0
- someone whose parents make $150k/year contribute 15k/year

The American median household income is $51k/year. Even if you're in guillotine territory making a household income of $100k/year your kid can still go to Harvard for around $6k/year, with room and board covered.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

blowfish posted:

If prostitution were legal, would that ad read "Wanted: live-in sexworker (and occasional helper/assistant)"?

Think really, really hard.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

boner confessor posted:

i was a total shoe-in until i got to the part about being able to defend a dog from another dog's attacks

Do you love giving pedicures and have impeccable personal style and experience negotiating construction contracts?

Significant Ant
Jun 14, 2017

by R. Guyovich

boner confessor posted:

not at all, you really only need a phd if you plan on going into academia in some form or shooting for the highest echelons of your career, but you can do that at age 25 or age 45. academic credentials don't really matter once you've got work experience. a masters is a great ticket to a career in programming

...a career which he just shot dead for being a stubborn dumbass. it doesn't matter what kind of credentials or experience you have if you have "WALKING LAWSUIT" branded on your resume

He has a “consolation” Master’s degree, which usually implies someone is too busy with their PhD to write their thesis

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Papercut posted:

Do you love giving pedicures and have impeccable personal style and experience negotiating construction contracts?

Wait.

What if the dog is the one that wrote the ad

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Papercut posted:

Do you love giving pedicures and have impeccable personal style and experience negotiating construction contracts?

yes, i'm also completely sober with an impeccable eye for fashion and detail with my just-so BoHo style and i LOVE game of thrones! i'm a high achieving person willing to work for a salary best described as "adequate" for 40+ hours a week at my employers convenience!

problem is i just cannot keep other dogs from trying to savagely maul my pet whenever we go out in public! it's the damndest thing

Significant Ant posted:

He has a “consolation” Master’s degree, which usually implies someone is too busy with their PhD to write their thesis

:shrug: i know a guy who dropped out of his masters program to get a six figure coding job and he's thriving. past a certain point an education is just a means to an end, and successively more complex degrees are just gate openers. hell i got my first software job based on the strength of "you got a masters from X university? nice" despite having zero experience or knowledge of the specific task required

like if the dude wanted to become a published computational biologist he should have kept on that track but once you land a job at google you can safely leave your continuance of formal education behind if you want

boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 9, 2017

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

blowfish posted:

If prostitution were legal, would that ad read "Wanted: live-in sexworker (and occasional helper/assistant)"?

This position is commonly known as wife

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Significant Ant posted:

Isn’t his Master’s degree basically worthless without a PhD as well?

also lol everyone in the Bay Area (except maybe Uber) will blacklist him and refuse to hire

He's totally going to get hired by one of Peter Thiel's companies.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Significant Ant posted:

He has a “consolation” Master’s degree, which usually implies someone is too busy with their PhD to write their thesis

iirc he was hired out of his PhD program by google.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Star Man posted:

Wait.

What if the dog is the one that wrote the ad

This is all falling together now.

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

Arsenic Lupin posted:

When did you go to school? It's quite relevant.


"about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year." Graduating $48K in debt is a significant burden for a lot of people.

I graduated in 2007.

$48k in debt is not insignificant, you're right about that, but in the context of the original point (that hiring from top 10 schools vs others tends to benefit the wealthy), it's important to compare that number to what the same person would pay at other schools. I honestly don't know if it would be comparable at many state schools, but that's an important comparison to make either way. At the very least, I think the aid policies at top schools result in a much greater different in what wealthier people actually pay vs poorer people.

eschaton posted:

It's not always price that keeps people out of the top schools.

You're more likely to be accepted to a top school if you go to a rich suburban public school with lots of targeted extracurricular activities and a full complement of AP classes than if you go to a poor rural or city public school with only a few sports and a couple AP classes available. And since most US school funding comes from property taxes…

This is a reason why some states have automatic acceptance to state universities and colleges of students in some top bracket of their high school class: They might never have the opportunity otherwise based on private college & university admissions trends.

This is all absolutely true and I have no disagreement here. I was merely speaking to the price tag once you are accepted, which I think is important because many people don't even bother applying because they assume they can't afford it. I had a great upbringing even though we weren't super wealthy, and I credit that for my acceptance. I credit the university for making it affordable for me to attend: my parents didn't pay a cent.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

boner confessor posted:

yes, i'm also completely sober with an impeccable eye for fashion and detail with my just-so BoHo style and i LOVE game of thrones! i'm a high achieving person willing to work for a salary best described as "adequate" for 40+ hours a week at my employers convenience!

problem is i just cannot keep other dogs from trying to savagely maul my pet whenever we go out in public! it's the damndest thing

I read through and noted every job they want this person to fill, and :lol:

Dog walker/trainer/groomer
flower trimmer
vacation planner
maid
personal shopper
tech support
delivery person
seamstress
personal organizer
dishwasher
photo framer
secretary
manicurist
investment advisor
relationship counselor
stylist
interior decorator
chef (both human and dog)
chauffeur
bodyguard (both human and dog)
lifeguard
physical trainer
hair stylist
comedian
storyteller
social media liason
teetotaler
construction manager
aquarist

with the personality of a golden retriever crossed with a jack russell crossed with a husky crossed with a pug crossed with a border collie.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
I think we found the world's worst person for whom to work.

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boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

cowofwar posted:

I think we found the world's worst person for whom to work.

yeah that 10-6 M-F 40 a week schedule is bullshit. you'll be getting calls at 10pm on a saturday talking about emergency backrubs and can you get me a bottle of wine

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