Payday 3: We've Been Robbed

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John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

Discendo Vox posted:

Yeah, reddit latched onto it and they literally had a joint press release dealy to say "no seriously, it was us" because people were phoning 505 games to blame them for skins.

lol why am I not surprised

# ? Mar 16, 2017 02:38

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# ? May 28, 2024 12:31

Crabtree: Oct 17, 2012; ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!; Dinosaur Gum

Final Heists of the Game Ideas:

Moon Heist where we nuke the Moon to destroy a cop cloning facility. This gives you around 50,000+ kills each nuke blast or at least every level rounded around difficulty.

Neil Breen Heist: Hire Neil Breen to write a heist, spare no loving detail. Whatever his crazed brain comes up with, you put it in the loving heist. Finishing it unlocks the heister Neil Breen.

Mar-La-Go Heist: White House, schmite house. There's a lot of untraceable money and VIP attention going to this strange Social Club in Florida. A smorgasbord of profit all in one place.

Rambo Heist: Essentially the Jail Escape/Town Assault from First Blood. OG Rambo from the book for extra blood.

gently caress with the L4D2 Fans: Louisiana Job with Nick. Yeah? What ya gonna do about it? Speculate about L4D3?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 02:52

clockworkjoe: May 31, 2000; Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?

The ultimate heist for Payday 2 is going to set up Payday 3.

If Payday continues with their conspiracy/mythical hints, the last heist will probably be illuminati hq/Bohemian Grove or Area 51 or something like that.

Maybe 2 final heists? A stealth only heist to steal secrets from the Congressional building and a loud only heist at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum to hijack the new prototype drone (using the helmet we got from the biker heist)

They're already moving away from DC, so the last heist will probably be set in the city where PD3 will be located.

I could also see a Hollywood/steal the Oscars/movie props from a studio.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 05:35

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

the final Payday 2 heist will probably just be an assault on Commissioner Gordon & Captain Winters.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 05:42

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

The final heist will be stealing dead Cthulhu's sleeping heart from the undersea city of R'lyeh. They'll just make the heist localized to Welsh so the language looks correct.

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chairface: Oct 28, 2007; No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

Made of version of the Anarchist Shotgunner build tuned for Mayhem specifically.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 06:32

Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

Final heist is the L4D Sacrifice. Houston dies.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 07:50

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Crabtree posted:

Final Heists of the Game Ideas:

Neil Breen Heist: Hire Neil Breen to write a heist, spare no loving detail. Whatever his crazed brain comes up with, you put it in the loving heist. Finishing it unlocks the heister Neil Breen.

Guys. the secret government secrets. Go get them.

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# ? Mar 16, 2017 10:07

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

chairface posted:

Made of version of the Anarchist Shotgunner build tuned for Mayhem specifically.

A Heavy Ballistic Vest :monocle:

Helps make up for not taking Die Hard Aced but I thought it was Suit, LBV, ICTV, or bust! I like it

I take it that you do enough damage to OHK normal cops despite not having anything in Shotgun Impact?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 13:15

maswastaken: Nov 12, 2011

If you go to the weapons tab and click on the name of the gun that's been chosen, you'll some more detailed stats for the gun. Scroll down a bit and you get to Shots to Kill.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 15:39

bbcisdabomb: Jan 15, 2008; SHEESH

Fil5000 posted:

Guys. the secret government secrets. Go get them.

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# ? Mar 16, 2017 20:48

chairface: Oct 28, 2007; No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

A Heavy Ballistic Vest Helps make up for not taking Die Hard Aced but I thought it was Suit, LBV, ICTV, or bust! I like it

I take it that you do enough damage to OHK normal cops despite not having anything in Shotgun Impact?

For an Anarchist all the vests come out pretty similar. HBV only costs you a little speed, although it only gets you a little armor. If you try it and feel like the HBV is too slow compared to the LBV, you're not giving up much by going back to LBV. I felt like the tiny bit of extra durability was worth the tiny cost to speed. Which vest to wear is definitely a "to personal taste" thing.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 22:03

John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

I really need to go back and tinker around with that kind of stuff more. I was stuck in the mindset of always using a very specific loadout because I was using Low Blow on top of the rest of the damage amps for the longest time, so running high detection risk felt weird. (Not that the Raven doesn't still kick a lot of rear end.) Of course, I also don't have any of the recent DLC yet so I can't play around with a lot of the more recent fun stuff.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 00:55

chairface: Oct 28, 2007; No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

Just saw the most :psyduck:

pubbie build. Dude had the 4-barrel rocket launcher and a thanatos and would constantly go into swan song on purpose and go hog wild with the rockets. Had aced nine lives, aced swan song and aced messiah and brought 2 fully upgraded docbags.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 06:26

ClonedPickle: Apr 23, 2010

chairface posted:

Just saw the most pubbie build. Dude had the 4-barrel rocket launcher and a thanatos and would constantly go into swan song on purpose and go hog wild with the rockets. Had aced nine lives, aced swan song and aced messiah and brought 2 fully upgraded docbags.

This is the greatest build I've ever heard of

# ? Mar 17, 2017 06:30

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

chairface posted:

Just saw the most pubbie build. Dude had the 4-barrel rocket launcher and a thanatos and would constantly go into swan song on purpose and go hog wild with the rockets. Had aced nine lives, aced swan song and aced messiah and brought 2 fully upgraded docbags.

Oooh, that gives me a great idea. the idea to steal the hell out of that build

# ? Mar 17, 2017 06:45

Wastrel_: Jun 3, 2004; Read it and weep.

chairface posted:

Just saw the most pubbie build. Dude had the 4-barrel rocket launcher and a thanatos and would constantly go into swan song on purpose and go hog wild with the rockets. Had aced nine lives, aced swan song and aced messiah and brought 2 fully upgraded docbags.

Add Joker skills and aced Jack of all Trades and that is basically the ideal build for One Down.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 06:50

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Wastrel_ posted:

Add Joker skills and aced Jack of all Trades and that is basically the ideal build for One Down.

The pubbiest one down build. I love what a shitshow that update turned this game into. :allears:

# ? Mar 17, 2017 10:11

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

God thats loving glorious.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:25

Tempest_56: Mar 14, 2009

I'd personally have gone Mosconi rather than Thanatos for the faster fire, but otherwise I'm just seeing infinite explosions.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:52

HebrewMagic: Jul 19, 2012; Police Assault In Progress

That kid's going places.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 19:00

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

So it looks like we'll be getting comic push notifications from Overkill for the foreseeable future. If this was meant to tide people over between content updates, it's... not the best plan.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 19:25

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Discendo Vox posted:

So it looks like we'll be getting comic push notifications from Overkill for the foreseeable future. If this was meant to tide people over between content updates, it's... not the best plan.

Yes, that is exactly what I wanted. :eng99:

# ? Mar 17, 2017 19:34

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Discendo Vox posted:

So it looks like we'll be getting comic push notifications from Overkill for the foreseeable future. If this was meant to tide people over between content updates, it's... not the best plan.

A difficulty and optimization pass? No my friend, the masses want milquetoast webcomics. :eng101:

# ? Mar 17, 2017 20:31

Insert name here: Nov 10, 2009; Oh.
Oh Dear.

UnknownMercenary posted:

A difficulty and optimization pass? No my friend, the masses want milquetoast webcomics.

Personally I like to think on the bright side: less updates means less chances for Jules to gently caress everything up even more :v:

# ? Mar 17, 2017 20:41

TopHatGenius: Oct 3, 2008; something feels
different; Hot Rope Guy

Next heist we make and steal piles of comics.

edit: literally Counterfeit heist but the money asset is replaced with a comic asset.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 20:42

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Insert name here posted:

Personally I like to think on the bright side: less updates means less chances for Jules to gently caress everything up even more

I really would like to understand his balancing process. He has posted a few times on the Steam forums (mainly right after One Down came out and everybody rightfully dogpiled on him) but otherwise been absent except in streams that I can't be bothered to watch.

There are so many absurd changes they should have walked back (or not even implemented in the first place) it makes me wonder what will happen if he ever actually gets the guts to nerf anything. Are people just going to use mods to put it back in? poo poo like Body Expertise working on bulldozers, uber Jokers, pocket DMR Broomstick, unintentionally hilarious pickup on CAR4/AK DMR kits, Bulletstorm/Swan Song working with launchers, etc. Even stuff like grenade launchers getting beefed up to 1300 damage in response to the massive health inflation...

# ? Mar 17, 2017 20:46

TopHatGenius: Oct 3, 2008; something feels
different; Hot Rope Guy

I hope next change changes the Buzzer/Electric Knuckles to chance of stun on hit instead of guaranteed. Maybe a very small chance to stun yourself.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 20:49

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Two underlying themes since the OD implementation.

1. OD is "for crazy people", i.e. there was no design effort put into it.
2. There's no consistent design philosophy anywhere else. Changes are reactive and decisions are made in isolation. It's as if, like a buglist, there's a list titled "balance complaints", of things people have complained about, and each update folks go down part of the list, checking items off one at a time. "Game too easy" - sure. Increase the number of enemies.
"melee weapons imbalanced". OK, give them all the same numbers.
"Body Expertise doesn't apply to dozers" OK, fixed.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 20:56

Malek: Jun 22, 2003; Shut up Girl!
And as always: Kill Hitler.

Discendo Vox posted:

Two underlying themes since the OD implementation.

1. OD is "for crazy people", i.e. there was no design effort put into it.
2. There's no consistent design philosophy anywhere else. Changes are reactive and decisions are made in isolation. It's as if, like a buglist, there's a list titled "balance complaints", of things people have complained about, and each update folks go down part of the list, checking items off one at a time. "Game too easy" - sure. Increase the number of enemies.
"melee weapons imbalanced". OK, give them all the same numbers.
"Body Expertise doesn't apply to dozers" OK, fixed.

... 1 and 2 sound like the same thing? Both have a concise lack of effort.

vvv: You said Far Cry 2, I think you meant "Breath of the Wild"

Malek fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 17, 2017

# ? Mar 17, 2017 21:05

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

TopHatGenius posted:

I hope next change changes the Buzzer/Electric Knuckles to chance of stun on hit instead of guaranteed. Maybe a very small chance to stun yourself.

Jules played Far Cry 2 over the weekend. Now weapons wear down and explode after being fired too many times. This will happen more frequently with automatic weapons and explosive launchers.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 21:07

maswastaken: Nov 12, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

"melee weapons imbalanced". OK, give them all the same numbers.

And for "Melee weapons now imbalanced in a stupider way"?

UnknownMercenary posted:

Jules played Far Cry 2 over the weekend. Now weapons wear down and explode after being fired too many times. This will happen more frequently with automatic weapons and explosive launchers.

Anything to make him forget Vermintide and Borderlands.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 21:54

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

how to fix melee weapons: a guide from a scrub who has no idea what he's talking about

1: revert bloodthirst's stacking to 300%
2: revert melee values back to what they were before getting nerfed into the ground

# ? Mar 17, 2017 22:09

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

But what about all the Youtube poop about a 30 damage "frothing madness of a chainsaw"????

maswastaken posted:

Anything to make him forget Vermintide and Borderlands.

Don't kid yourself; he'd only add it on top of the currently existing stupid systems.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 22:20

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

UnknownMercenary posted:

But what about all the Youtube poop about a 30 damage "frothing madness of a chainsaw"????

yeah its funny until you go "man i wanna use this chainsaw" and then spend half a minute hacking away at a tan on overkill.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 22:24

TopHatGenius: Oct 3, 2008; something feels
different; Hot Rope Guy

spit on my clit posted:

yeah its funny until you go "man i wanna use this chainsaw" and then spend half a minute hacking away at a tan on overkill.

I don't know WHYYYY the chainsaw can't just be held out and do a bunch of little hits worth of damage. Maybe give it a fuel gauge that replenishes with ammo pickups and can't be used to saw open gates/boxes to balance it out with the OVE9000 saw.

Melee is worthless unless you're taking a Buzzer/Electric Knuckles/Kunai/Money Stack

# ? Mar 17, 2017 22:37

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

Debating on picking this back up again. Do AP Slugs on Shotguns still suck?

# ? Mar 17, 2017 22:47

chairface: Oct 28, 2007; No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

Power Bottom posted:

Debating on picking this back up again. Do AP Slugs on Shotguns still suck?

AP slugs allow a shotgun to be pressed into counter-sniping and anti-shield duty, but it still isn't particularly good at either. Explosive slugs on a sufficiently high accuracy shotgun would accomplish the same thing, and in either case a grenade launcher is a better choice all around. If you want to use a shotgun right now, the main use is 000 in something with decent capacity and fire rate used in conjunction with Overkill and/or Frenzerking. A Judge with HE rounds is still a good (if sub-optimal) concealable explosion-shooter.

Beyond all those :words:

though, on Overkill and below basically everything's viable, you do you and have fun however you have fun.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 23:14

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

chairface posted:

AP slugs allow a shotgun to be pressed into counter-sniping and anti-shield duty, but it still isn't particularly good at either. Explosive slugs on a sufficiently high accuracy shotgun would accomplish the same thing, and in either case a grenade launcher is a better choice all around. If you want to use a shotgun right now, the main use is 000 in something with decent capacity and fire rate used in conjunction with Overkill and/or Frenzerking. A Judge with HE rounds is still a good (if sub-optimal) concealable explosion-shooter.

Beyond all those though, on Overkill and below basically everything's viable, you do you and have fun however you have fun.

Figures. I've always hated how PD2 handles shotguns with the whole "all pellets deal full damage" thing and hoped that AP slugs would be good enough to be worth using so I wouldn't have to worry about it. I'm guessing literally every sniper rifle performs as well, if not better, than a slug shotgun.

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The Cheshire Cat: Jun 10, 2008; Fun Shoe

Power Bottom posted:

Figures. I've always hated how PD2 handles shotguns with the whole "all pellets deal full damage" thing and hoped that AP slugs would be good enough to be worth using so I wouldn't have to worry about it. I'm guessing literally every sniper rifle performs as well, if not better, than a slug shotgun.

They changed the "all pellets deal full damage" thing a while ago.

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