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the sad reality is, no one cares about labor rights if they even get fake-whiff that their own meager existence may be impacted, even in california. there's enough lovely white babby bombers up in Placer County or OC or whatever that thinks "MUH LIFE IS MOST PRECIOUS THING EVER TO GRACE THIS WORLD. LAZY WORKERS, LETTING ME DIE?? NO!!!" and will  yes on it. i dont think it'll pass by a huge margin, but it'll pass probably 55%-ish
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Xaris posted:the sad reality is, no one cares about labor rights if they even get fake-whiff that their own meager existence may be impacted, even in california. there's enough lovely white babby bombers up in Placer County or OC or whatever that thinks "MUH LIFE IS MOST PRECIOUS THING EVER TO GRACE THIS WORLD. LAZY WORKERS, LETTING ME DIE?? NO!!!" and will Working through breaks is already seen as a sign of people who take their jobs seriously. Everyone has stories of their parents or grandparents slaving away for 14 hours a day and never taking vacations and being better people for it. The prop will pass with wide liberal support.
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I'm always amazed at the people I've run into who talk about working through lunch like it's a point of pride. Yeah sure buddy you're a real champ keep climbing that ladder I'm gonna get a sandwich and get the same raise you do in six months.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I'm always amazed at the people I've run into who talk about working through lunch like it's a point of pride. Lazy! Moocher! Parasite! Communist!
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Lazy! Moocher! Parasite! Communist! Don't doxx me
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 Saw this on Facebook and haven't investigated the claim yet. I'm more than willing to exact voter retribution unless I turn up she has a good Progressive history of voting and was just on the wrong side of history for this one instance. incoherent fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 07:35
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She's a Republican first appointed to the courts by Pete Wilson. So, uh, probably not a progressive.
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Corrigan sucks rear end, get rid of her.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:She's a Republican first appointed to the courts by Pete Wilson. So, uh, probably not a progressive. Welp that's enough for me. "No" it is.
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Jaxyon posted:Indeed, thanks for the link to that. Here is the reddit link, where OP also posted proof he is an EMT https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/9l7hlg/information_about_prop_11/
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So. What would happen with a CalExit? ("It would never happen lol" is not a helpful answer.) Obviously, it'd be a big disaster and everybody would laugh at us like everybody's currently laughing at the U.K., but what would it take to get through the process and what would be left of California on the other side? Asking for a friend.
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CPColin posted:So. What would happen with a CalExit? ("It would never happen lol" is not a helpful answer.) Obviously, it'd be a big disaster and everybody would laugh at us like everybody's currently laughing at the U.K., but what would it take to get through the process and what would be left of California on the other side? Or we balkanize into a mishmash of warring city-states while NorCal turns Socal into an ashen desert by shutting off the aqueducts?
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Maybe we could convince Hawaii to come with us?
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CPColin posted:So. What would happen with a CalExit? ("It would never happen lol" is not a helpful answer.) Obviously, it'd be a big disaster and everybody would laugh at us like everybody's currently laughing at the U.K., but what would it take to get through the process and what would be left of California on the other side? We could always hope the world would use it to tear America apart at the seams.
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FilthyImp posted:Immediately invaded and blockaded by the U.S., then signing a treaty of unification that makes Guadalupe Hidalgo look fair and balanced that installs permanent republicans at the helm? There is actually a broadly recognized constitutional process for a state to legally secede. It's irrelevant because no forseeable political development could lead to it happening. CPColin posted:("It would never happen lol" is not a helpful answer.) It's the only reasonable answer, though. In order to formulate a future in which enough has changed that this would be remotely possible, we have delved so far into the realm of fantasy that you might as well invent the rest of the details wholecloth as well.
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Then we're dead.
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Leperflesh posted:It's the only reasonable answer, though. In order to formulate a future in which enough has changed that this would be remotely possible, we have delved so far into the realm of fantasy that you might as well invent the rest of the details wholecloth as well. Great. It's still not helpful.
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CPColin posted:Great. It's still not helpful. You want to do something that's practically sci-fi, but if you want an easier unrealistic plan, split the state and use the extra representation to retake control of the government.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:38
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Gerrymander California into an extra 50 states that are all firmly Democratic
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Even if California wanted it and did its diligence, it would be so devastating socially and economically to the rest of the U.S. that it would be blocked and litigated at every turn, even before anything dramatic like civil war. It's never happened in world history that the most powerful member of a union wanted to leave. It's also never happened that the most powerful member didn't run the union, so we're in completely uncharted territory.
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It's become very likely that California will ignore a Supreme Court ruling and refuse to enforce it in the very near future. And then what happens?
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I dunno, probably nothing new? We've refused to enforce federal laws before.
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I imagine California has enough oomfh to just tell everyone to gently caress off? Like I imagine any serious reprocussions would gently caress up the rest of the states due to reliance and such.
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ShutteredIn posted:It's become very likely that California will ignore a Supreme Court ruling and refuse to enforce it in the very near future. And then what happens? Well with Brown v Board the President took over a state national guard and forcibly integrated the schools, so something like that, I guess. If that sort of solution is applicable. Depends on a lot of factors, really, and there's a lot of ways it could go.
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i hope youll excuse me if i dont actually believe the california democrats would actually refuse to follow a supreme court ruling
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Shear Modulus posted:i hope youll excuse me if i dont actually believe the california democrats would actually refuse to follow a supreme court ruling If we're being cynical (and why wouldn't you be, really) it would probably come down to how much money they could raise by refusing.
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California is not going to secede and if we tried we'd get shithammered in like two weeks tops.
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Didnt we just have a spat over net neutrality where we basically said "nah we arnt doing that"
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I mean if we’re going down this road then I’d like to see the state kick ICE out of the state, but practically speaking that’d probably kick off an insanely reactionary set of events.
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Telsa Cola posted:Didnt we just have a spat over net neutrality where we basically said "nah we arnt doing that" That was an FCC ruling that left it very open to the states.
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ShutteredIn posted:That was an FCC ruling that left it very open to the states. Ah, thank you for clarifying.
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Kobayashi posted:I mean if we’re going down this road then I’d like to see the state kick ICE out of the state, but practically speaking that’d probably kick off an insanely reactionary set of events. Well yeah for one the cops and state troopers wouldn't comply and would instead help ICE even more than they do now.
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Admiral Ray posted:Well yeah for one the cops and state troopers wouldn't comply and would instead help ICE even more than they do now. Right, it’s always going to come down to who follows what orders. I might have a limited imagination but I’m struggling to come up with a scenario that doesn’t end in an overwhelming reactionary response.
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Any secession scenario occurs as either the lead up to full-blown civil war or post-collapse of the US Federal power structure. We're a long way away from both of those.
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today's cops in america in general are not loyal to their cities and communities and are instead personally loyal to each other and culturally loyal to sean hannity
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THIN BLUE LINE
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There sure are a lot of bad props, voted yes on 7/11/12. I would like to vote yes on 8 but it’s a huge land of uncertainty since the companies affected might as well budget as much money is at risk to fighting it in court if passed. I might vote yes anyway. (Edit: Okay gently caress it I’ll vote Yes after Reading the voter guide. It seems Medicare patients are less profitable than private plans and this would cap that somewhat.)
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ShutteredIn posted:It's become very likely that California will ignore a Supreme Court ruling and refuse to enforce it in the very near future. And then what happens? If it's something like tangible like "Not only have we struck down Roe v. Wade but abortion is also illegal murder" then the National Guard is probably federalized and sent to barricade/forcibly shutdown abortion clinics and arrest doctors who are still practicing. If it's something more esoteric like the unions ruling which if ignored it can't be strictly enforced by sending dudes somewhere to enforce it, then it's probably a mix of cutting of federal funding to the state and revoking federal services and privileges to make life as miserable as possible until we're compliant (ie: California ID's are no longer acceptable for flying, passports will no longer be issued to residents of the state, Student loans aren't issued to residents, etc).
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Secession would be economically and socially disastrous for the state, too. Our economy is not independent, our infrastructure is mostly not independent, our legal structures are not independent, and our families and social ties are very much not independent. We would face some of the same deep and horrible problems that the UK is currently facing along the border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland, where there is essentially no border and thousands of roads cris-crossing the area, familial and cultural ties, etc: and yet in that case there are at least strong religious divides along which to get people to distrust one another, historical precedence for the divisions, and a general acceptance among the populations that the status quo would not be acceptable in a hard brexit. California would have to invent a new independent legal system, invent new agencies to take over for every federally-operated agency in the state (and there are a lot), create and secure borders, create embassies all over the world and create a state department to run them. The list goes on and on and on, and it's all in the context of millions and millions of people who might generally support the idea of "gently caress the federal government they suck" and "gently caress the red states they're parasites" but probably not "I can no longer just drive a few hours or hop on a plane to go see my relatives in reno?" or "what do you mean we need to raise a hundred billion dollars overnight to create a semblance of a military" or "what do you mean all the military bases in the state belong to the US government and they're not going to just let us have them" and "what do you mean we have no extradition treaty with the united states, what the gently caress are we going to do when murderers just flee across the border?" and "oh the Colorado river doesn't belong to us and we're not going to get its dregs to water our southern california desert farms any more?" and "oh holy hell like 90% of our corporations are incorporated in Delaware, now what???" Come up with answers for literally all of that stuff that includes the population of California still supporting independence and you have invented a political situation akin to the US civil war... e.g., something that absolutely does not remotely exist now, not even close. Whatever scenario you invent will supply you with the answers to the other questions. No matter what, one answer would be decades of violence, strife, economic hardship and recession, and enormous grief and remorse. Think less "brexit" and more "north korea/south korea" for what it'd do culturally, politically, and economically, and the kinds of conditions that would have to prevail to bring it about.
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https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1047794412577837056 lifted from the trump thread. That loving shitheel Nunes is ahead.
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