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bhsman posted:As the owner of an FoW playset, seeing it printed at uncommon would've been totally fine, but I understand them printing it at Mythic. Complaining that they didn't is like Smash Melee complaining about them not putting wavedashing, an entirely unintentional mechanic, in Smash 4. As someone who loves both of those games that is the weirdest loving analogy
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Does Wizards really care that printing them at UC would have made their current price sink like a boulder in the ocean? It's not like they're making money by people buying whatever Alliance packs are left trying to pull one All they care about is more people chasing mythics so more packs sold.
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bhsman posted:You mean other than buying it? No, because buying Smash 4 sure as hell doesn't get you a wave dash and neither does any of its DLC.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:35
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Alliances had contagion and I thought it was a rad card.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:39
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Sickening posted:Alliances had contagion and I thought it was a rad card. Also Pyrokenesis.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:41
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Bugsy posted:Also Pyrokenesis. Also Gorilla Shaman, aka Mox Monkey.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:46
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Lets Pickle posted:Wasn't the issue with that some weird interaction between flip cards and the Legend rule? Like, you can control both sides at the same time but if one flips then the legend rule applies. IIRC though, when Innistrad was printed the legend rule was that you have to get rid of both, and there could only be one total on any side of the field. With the change to the legend rule it should be much less complicated to print a legendary werewolf. However, the checklist for Shadows over Innistrad has already been spoiled so unless there is another checklist there is no RG werewolf, legendary or otherwise, in SoI. That is the problem; if you control a flipped Werewolf King or whatever and I play Human Werewolf King we're fine, but since all werewolves flipped to wolf side on no spells and to human side on two spells, that means that as soon as either of those conditions occurred we'd both lose our dude. They didn't like that (and it was probably part of the impetus that made them change the Legend rule) but that is no longer how it would work. Anyways Maro has said over and over that his biggest regret about Innistrad was not including a legendary RG werewolf and that is the one thing he would change so there's no chance of us not getting it. They might decide to change the color, but I'll go ahead and  that there will be a legendary, at-least-part-green Werewolf in Shadows block (maybe in  Eldritch Moon)
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Feb 15, 2016 19:48
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Anyways Maro has said over and over that his biggest regret about Innistrad was not including a legendary RG werewolf and that is the one thing he would change so there's no chance of us not getting it. They might decide to change the color, but I'll go ahead and Careful, there were actual mono-red werewolves in Innistrad block.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:51
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Yeah but it's still loving dumb to drag it all the way to mythic from uncommon. Rare I understand. Goyf and FOW are the comedy-truth examples of Mythic rarity just being $$$ rarity.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:53
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Errant Gin Monks posted:All they care about is more people chasing mythics so more packs sold. Anyone who thinks WotC cares about people chasing mythics in a limited print run set where they are guaranteed to sell 100% of their printing are loving dumpster babies.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:53
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born on a buy you posted:FoW was in alliances a set with other good cards people care about such as: Contagion! I played it in Vintage dredge for a while. It puts comical -2/-1 counters on things, as well.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:55
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Angry Grimace posted:Goyf and FOW are the comedy-truth examples of Mythic rarity just being $$$ rarity. No no no, rarity only has to do with limited and mythic is rarity is a good thing for you in the long run. Toshimo posted:Anyone who thinks WotC cares about people chasing mythics in a limited print run set where they are guaranteed to sell 100% of their printing are loving dumpster babies. This guy knows what he is talking about for sure.
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There apparently won't be an Eternal Masters Grand Prix for...some reason. That's incredibly weird given how the Modern Masters GPs broke all the records.
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It's yet another random reprint set where I'll buy a $200 box of it because, like most Magic players, I like setting money on fire. I still can't figure out why the actual gently caress Wasteland wasn't in VMA itself.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:58
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https://twitter.com/mtgaaron/status/699287031331966976 Includes Modern legal cards. https://twitter.com/mtgaaron/status/699287261863489538 Won't have new cards in it.
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dragon enthusiast posted:https://twitter.com/mtgaaron/status/699287031331966976 Well it's a reprint set so it having new card would be quite weird
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Sickening posted:No no no, rarity only has to do with limited and mythic is rarity is a good thing for you in the long run. I will say it's pretty comical the two face cards of this set are two uncommons upshifted in rarity for no reason other than money.
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At least MM1 was kinda forced to promote some rares to mythics, since there were no mythics in most of the sets it covered, and the mythic slots had to be filled somehow. Here, nothing is forcing them to promote uncommons to mythic.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:09
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Angry Grimace posted:I will say it's pretty comical the two face cards of this set are two uncommons upshifted in rarity for no reason other than money. I think it's pretty comical to stamp your feet about Forces rarity when Maro has said it shouldn't be an uncommon for a long time
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I think we're all just paranoid about FoW becoming $200 because VM increases the Vintage playerbase (although I think it won't be as much of a problem as it was with Modern, since duals are still reserved)
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Feb 15, 2016 20:17
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So uh. Mana Drain, guys.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:18
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mandatory lesbian posted:Well it's a reprint set so it having new card would be quite weird There's precedent for WOTC to directly print new eternal-legal cards, so somebody probably would have tried to speculate
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Angry Grimace posted:I will say it's pretty comical the two face cards of this set are two uncommons upshifted in rarity for no reason other than money. I'm utterly shocked and disgusted that WOTC a company that sells a collectible game would make the most desirable and sought after game pieces harder to find than others. Truly unprecedented and disgusting behavior, has anyone told Obama? They should be in jail.
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Angry Grimace posted:My recollection was black being horrible in VMA Suicide black was good if it came together, and Hymn was an all-star in that deck. BW Aggro was also very good because Battle Screech is a messed up card. Ciprian Maricon posted:I'm utterly shocked and disgusted that WOTC a company that sells a collectible game would make the most desirable and sought after game pieces harder to find than others. Truly unprecedented and disgusting behavior, has anyone told Obama? They should be in jail. Someone get on Twitter and let him know.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I'm utterly shocked and disgusted that WOTC a company that sells a collectible game would make the most desirable and sought after game pieces harder to find than others. Truly unprecedented and disgusting behavior, has anyone told Obama? They should be in jail. I would have bought a hell of a lot more packs if wasteland or force were uncommon. As it is I will just buy the singles I need. Which FoW and wasteland are not on the list since I already have those.
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born on a buy you posted:FoW was in alliances a set with other good cards people care about such as: Elvish Spirit Guide!
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I'm genuinely surprised that EMA is a paper set that is going to exist, the guy who "predicted" it had called the banned cards in bloom wrong so I never put faith in that prediction. It's going to completely blow up legacy prices in weird ways. Buy your duals now because they're going to do what Bloodmoon/Glimmervoid/other non-mm cards did. It is ultra scummy that vendors were told about this before the general public, which is where the leak originated. That's not a consumer-friendly move. It will be interesting to see if they print any new legacy quality goblins/merfolk/etc for monocolored decks anytime soon. Given that they're trying to inject cards into legacy, but can't touch duals, I would hope that in the near future they print a goblin that is pushed for legacy to bring that deck back, and maybe something that makes merfolk a bit more viable (honestly, banning delver would go a long way towards doing that), and print the cards to help more folks play elves / D&T. I'm also really interested to see if they'll print Karakas, as it is I think the most expensive non-reserve list card in the format? Given their history of reprint rarity manipulation, I would expect $25+ uncommons to become rares, and $80+ rares to become mythics). We have what, 53 rare slots and 15 mythic slots, or something like that? I think these are all of the lands that see play in legacy that are common to see / haven't been reprinted a lot (there are like a billion factories out there, and Urborg Enraged has seen two reprints). Wasteland (rare) Rishadan Port (rare/mythic) 5x Zen Fetches (I think these are likely to show up here because they aren't going to show up next to Zen lands) Grove of the Burnwillows (rare) Horizon Canopy (rare) Karakas (mythic) Ancient Tomb (uncommon) City of Traitors (rare) Cloudpost (uncommon) Glimmerpost (common, would only show up if they're printing cloudpost so they can enable it in limited) I think we'll only get one of the tomb/traitors pair, one of the grove/horizon pair (probably grove, because it's used in multiple decks as a 4x engine instead of a nice-to-have fringe card). I would really hope they print cabal therapy and not IoK in this set if they're only going to do one, as IOK does not have the reprint restrictions that therapy does. I'm hoping they build the draft archetypes around legacy archetypes / more like their cubes and less like the MM15 Block Mechanic Greatest Hits. It would be a lot of fun to draft reanimator, delver/pyromancer, etc.
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Literally The Worst posted:I think it's pretty comical to stamp your feet about Forces rarity when Maro has said it shouldn't be an uncommon for a long time Rare I can understand, but a Mythic counterspell is somewhat absurd.
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Count Bleck posted:So uh. Imperial Seal?
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I'm utterly shocked and disgusted that WOTC a company that sells a collectible game would make the most desirable and sought after game pieces harder to find than others. Truly unprecedented and disgusting behavior, has anyone told Obama? They should be in jail.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:27
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Yeah everything from Portal looks like free game. So they obviously won't print anything from there.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:27
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I'm hoping they don't give a poo poo about draft and just print a good set.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I'm utterly shocked and disgusted that WOTC a company that sells a collectible game would make the most desirable and sought after game pieces harder to find than others. Truly unprecedented and disgusting behavior, has anyone told Obama? They should be in jail.  play collectible card games with reasonable reprint policies. You know the ones.
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Count Bleck posted:So uh. Oh jeez, now that is one that is an exciting prospect. Not to mention Recruiter would be an awesome inclusion.
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Count Bleck posted:So uh. no see, force of will and wasteland will sell the whole set so they have to maintain their REPRINT EQUITY and can't print that or any other good cards 
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http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Reserved_List Here's the current reserved list, from what I can gather. Now, someone who is more bored than I should compile this list with what is used in current Vintage/Legacy and BUY ALL THOS CARDS!
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I would have bought a hell of a lot more packs if wasteland or force were uncommon. As it is I will just buy the singles I need. Which FoW and wasteland are not on the list since I already have those. lol
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The main card I want to see in EM is imperial seal. Also to a lesser extent karakas and rishadan port. Oh and a tinker with good art.
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En Fuego posted:http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Reserved_List In legacy it's basically all the duals and LED. There are a few more but not many.
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Agreed. Also Sea Drake reprint one time please WotC. Errant Gin Monks posted:In legacy it's basically all the duals and LED. There are a few more but not many. The other big ones are Mox Diamond, City of Traitors, and to a much lesser extent Tabernacle.
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